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I feel like we're reading too much into the guy. After a point you know who is buttering your bread.
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Mar 29, 2021 19:22
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I feel like we're reading too much into the guy. After a point you know who is buttering your bread. I feel like a lot of it is bigotries and narcissistic projection with him. Only he can be the victim and the voice of the “true oppressed”.
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Mar 29, 2021 19:26
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I also really wish Glenn would stop trying to act like he knows what's going on in the US when he hasn't lived here in more than a decade It's like, I have only a vague understanding of French politics and I wouldn't even begin to understand how most of it works
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Mar 29, 2021 19:28
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Payment processors, banks and card networks should be as neutral as possible. If it's not directly involved with a crime then let it through (I'm sure there's also things like blacklisting chargebackers and poo poo). Some guy at Paypal deciding whether your case or bail is worth funding is abhorrent. Especially Paypal! Remember SA's Katrina issue?
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Mar 29, 2021 19:45
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Quotey posted:Payment processors, banks and card networks should be as neutral as possible. If it's not directly involved with a crime then let it through (I'm sure there's also things like blacklisting chargebackers and poo poo). Some guy at Paypal deciding whether your case or bail is worth funding is abhorrent. Especially Paypal! Remember SA's Katrina issue? Are you talking about GoFundMe? Why should they be forced to fund racists if they don't want to?
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Mar 29, 2021 19:48
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Fart Amplifier posted:Are you talking about GoFundMe? Why should they be forced to fund racists if they don't want to? No- things like Stripe, Paypal, Apple Pay, Visa, Mastercard. In the article: quote:PayPal cut all ties with GiveSendGo, but PayPal and Stripe have taken a different approach with GoGetFunding, AllFundIt and Our Freedom Funding. Rather than cut them off, the companies stopped processing payments for individual fundraisers that violate their rules. Regular people don't really get to choose how money is moved around, so they shouldn't be discriminated against. God help you if Visa decides to gently caress with you.
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Mar 29, 2021 19:57
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I don't know how often Visa actually fucks with people. When you make a surcharge on virtually every transaction in the world I don't know how much you want to upset that apple cart. The credit card companies only started messing with Pornhub when it became clear there was just an unchecked torrent of underage porn to be had there.
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Mar 29, 2021 20:02
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Quotey posted:No- things like Stripe, Paypal, Apple Pay, Visa, Mastercard. In the article: 1-It’s probably a bad idea to let these companies be the arbiters of who gets to crowdfund a legal defense and who doesn’t; even if that makes it easier for Nazis to get good lawyers 2-GG is a real piece of poo poo for attacking someone simply for reporting on this.
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Mar 29, 2021 20:14
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Quotey posted:Payment processors, banks and card networks should be as neutral as possible. If it's not directly involved with a crime then let it through (I'm sure there's also things like blacklisting chargebackers and poo poo). Some guy at Paypal deciding whether your case or bail is worth funding is abhorrent. Especially Paypal! Remember SA's Katrina issue? Pretty sure SA's Katrina issue had more to do with, as astral put it recently, "[setting] off pretty much every fraud alarm possible".
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Mar 29, 2021 20:16
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The problem with Glenn is that hating him only makes him stronger.
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Mar 29, 2021 20:17
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Main Paineframe posted:Pretty sure SA's Katrina issue had more to do with, as astral put it recently, "[setting] off pretty much every fraud alarm possible". Probably right to be honest- but didn't they force donating to a preapproved list of charities rather than the one SA wanted? That's the issue. Freezing >100k in payments in <week to some random's Paypal is fine. Man, you're probably going to tell me that the charity they wanted was Lowtax' Hurricane Repairs. letthereberock posted:2-GG is a real piece of poo poo for attacking someone simply for reporting on this. I mean, from the excerpt I posted, they're literally donating to the funds then reporting them to Paypal/Stripe. The topic is in his wheelhouse and it wasn't particularly abusive. v yeah, guy's very aggro Quotey fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 20:23
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Glen's often a total dickhead, even when he's right.
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Mar 29, 2021 20:25
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Glen's often a total dickhead, even when he's right. Part of it is also that he seems to pick and choose when he advocates certain things in such a way that he's almost always defending alt right fascist/racists.
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Mar 29, 2021 20:35
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Quotey posted:Payment processors, banks and card networks should be as neutral as possible. If it's not directly involved with a crime then let it through (I'm sure there's also things like blacklisting chargebackers and poo poo). Some guy at Paypal deciding whether your case or bail is worth funding is abhorrent. Especially Paypal! Remember SA's Katrina issue? How directly is directly?
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Mar 29, 2021 20:43
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The "poor powerless," Capitol Rioters were mostly rich as gently caress, this has been proven multiple times. Thanks for playing Glen, you loving Nazi
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Mar 29, 2021 20:50
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Somfin posted:How directly is directly? No idea, you'd have to get someone decent who knows about this stuff to write guidance/a law on it! The MATCH stuff Mastercard uses seems reasonable enough, although I don't know the full details of #7 and #10. However, that only accounts for merchants? I mean, I expect you could just leave whatever processes they have in place to detect crime and otherwise don't review individual transactions. I think something like this came up with Operation Chokepoint being shuttered, but again that was entire businesses/sectors rather than individuals.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:09
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Sanguinia posted:The "poor powerless," Capitol Rioters were mostly rich as gently caress, this has been proven multiple times. Thanks for playing Glen, you loving Nazi I have talked about this in terms of the 90s but there are some free speech/freedom of "expression" hardliners because of the whole controversy around naughty lyrics/violent video games that really warped people. I used to think Glenn was one of these, free speech means having to accept ideas we don't like but his slide into nazism and white supremacy really makes me question a lot of the things he has done in the past and that includes the Intercept.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I have talked about this in terms of the 90s but there are some free speech/freedom of "expression" hardliners because of the whole controversy around naughty lyrics/violent video games that really warped people. I used to think Glenn was one of these, free speech means having to accept ideas we don't like but his slide into nazism and white supremacy really makes me question a lot of the things he has done in the past and that includes the Intercept. Glenn is all about the "Free speech means we have to accept ideas we don't like, unless it's journalistic interns talking about the fascist capital rioters for some reason."
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Fart Amplifier posted:Glenn is all about the "Free speech means we have to accept ideas we don't like, unless it's journalistic interns talking about the fascist capital rioters for some reason." Glenn is all about the "Free speech means you have to accept ideas that you don't like, and I don't have to read any negative feedback." Quotey posted:No idea, you'd have to get someone decent who knows about this stuff to write guidance/a law on it! The MATCH stuff Mastercard uses seems reasonable enough, although I don't know the full details of #7 and #10. However, that only accounts for merchants? The neutrality of companies have to have limits, and one of those limits has to be "the systems on which my business relies are under threat." You shouldn't be legally forced to provide gasoline to someone who is stating that they want to use it to burn down your house. The QAnon rioters don't want the basically unregulated free enterprise that "tech companies" like PayPal rely on, they want America to become a complete totalitarian autocracy under permanent god emperor Donald Trump with the economy rebuilt for total war with the goal of destroying everything that is not America.
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I think right now they want lawyers so they don't have to take a lovely plea deal or gamble with an overworked public defender against the FBI (or whoever handles it, DOJ whatever), but that too I suppose. I think doing a gofundme for the takeover of the US might be covered under illegal activities.
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Quotey posted:I think right now they want lawyers so they don't have to take a lovely plea deal or gamble with an overworked public defender against the FBI (or whoever handles it, DOJ whatever), but that too I suppose. I think doing a gofundme for the takeover of the US might be covered under illegal activities. The public defenders working on federal cases aren't the overworked/underpaid public defenders you see elsewhere. Not that I wouldn't be making GBS threads my pants if I had federal charges against me, but this isn't anything close to what anyone charged last summer is facing.
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Solkanar512 posted:The public defenders working on federal cases aren't the overworked/underpaid public defenders you see elsewhere. Not that I wouldn't be making GBS threads my pants if I had federal charges against me, but this isn't anything close to what anyone charged last summer is facing. yeah there's plenty of problems and they're still overworked and underpaid, but jobs are fairly prestigious and attract extremely qualified and competent people and they don't face the kind of truly soul-crushing daily wave of cases a lot of local PDs do
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Quotey posted:Probably right to be honest- but didn't they force donating to a preapproved list of charities rather than the one SA wanted? That's the issue. Freezing >100k in payments in <week to some random's Paypal is fine. Man, you're probably going to tell me that the charity they wanted was Lowtax' Hurricane Repairs. Nah, Lowtax claimed he tried to tell them to just take the money from him and donate it directly to the Red Cross, and he claimed they refused because they had a contract with United Way to do all their own donation activities through them. Though personally, I suspect they weren't especially impressed by his "if you're so sure I'm a fraudster that you locked my account, why don't you steal all this potentially fraudulent money from me and donate it to my chosen charity" pitch.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Part of it is also that he seems to pick and choose when he advocates certain things in such a way that he's almost always defending alt right fascist/racists. Yeah, every time someone I know pushes forward a Glenn take as a point it's with an air of "ya gotta hand it to 'em" when we, in fact, do not. A few assholes on my social media periphery have dedicated themselves to picking apart the reporter's work history to show that she is, in fact, a deep state imperialist and therefore a bigger threat than the mainstreaming of fascism in the GOP.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I have talked about this in terms of the 90s but there are some free speech/freedom of "expression" hardliners because of the whole controversy around naughty lyrics/violent video games that really warped people. I used to think Glenn was one of these, free speech means having to accept ideas we don't like but his slide into nazism and white supremacy really makes me question a lot of the things he has done in the past and that includes the Intercept. yeah. i mean thats where i used to be. Big "freedom of speech" person because i hated the weird clinton and jack thompson types coming in and trying ban poo poo. i still am when it comes to media and poo poo but gently caress nazis and their fellow travelers, their speech is out and out violence.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i mean thats where i used to be. Big "freedom of speech" person because i hated the weird clinton and jack thompson types coming in and trying ban poo poo. i still am when it comes to media and poo poo but gently caress nazis and their fellow travelers, their speech is out and out violence. If you were a big "freedom of speech" person and not a nazi, you were being used by nazis, at least in part.
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Jaxyon posted:If you were a big "freedom of speech" person and not a nazi, you were being used by nazis, at least in part. well i was in high school. so probably not.
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The real problem with the Free Speech Hardliner movement and was that it was co-opted by the right fringe that was instrumental in its rise. The right was all about censoring expression, sex shaming, dictating what is and isn't art, etc basically from the 50s onward, and the extreme forms of Pro-Free Speech were a response to that, but at some point that message warped into the anti-Political Correctness movement. The 90s-00s Cultural Milieu then led that movement to being increasingly about normalizing racism and sexism and homo/transphobia through the lens of ironic "humor." Open Bigotry was increasingly not tolerated, but Bigotry in the silk glove a "joke," became hotter than ever, and it indoctrinated a generation into thinking that you should be able to say whatever hateful thing that pops into your head without consequences, and any consequences that do happen are the dreaded CENSORSHIP. I mean, you were being slow-cooked into this mode of thinking as a CHILD in the 90s, look at how many cartoons for 8-10 year olds from that era have cracks about THE NETWORK CENSORS. They weren't WRONG to take the Conservative Moral Panic Cops to task, but it only took a very small amount of tweaking to turn that argument into "Why can't I say the N-word like Snoop does on my favorite CD? THIS IS REVERSE RACISM!"
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well i was in high school. so probably not. I didn't say you were aware. Sanguinia posted:The real problem with the Free Speech Hardliner movement and was that it was co-opted by the right fringe that was instrumental in its rise. You might have been a true believer but you were in there with a lot of Nazis who weren't.
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Jaxyon posted:I didn't say you were aware. I was relaying my perspective of the relevant history, I was never a "free speech hardliner," because I wasn't politically aware enough when I was a kid to even know that was a thing.
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Jaxyon posted:I didn't say you were aware. i think free speech hardliner is overselling it. what i mean is my political awakening was loving jack Thompson and such and probably what pushed me toward the left. i had been a good little dumb conservative kid up until dumb video game poo poo and obama and i only got actually interested interested in 2010/2012.
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Sanguinia posted:I was relaying my perspective of the relevant history, I was never a "free speech hardliner," because I wasn't politically aware enough when I was a kid to even know that was a thing. I was using your line to make my point about Dapper, not talking to you
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The problem with the free speech hardline is that, even when presented in good faith, it's still trying to weasel out of having to take a stance on fundamental issues of rights. I can see why younger people got suckered into it. But ultimately there isn't a way to bridge the belief that trans people are deserving of the same dignity and respect as cis people, and the belief that they should be eradicated (as one example). If this issue doesn't affect you personally, then you can step at arms length and say that both sides have the right to say whatever they want and wash your hands of it, but really that's just ceeding ground to the bigots because, like Satre's antisemite, having the debate at all grants legitimacy to it, even if the arguments are contradictory or plainly false. Obviously there's plenty of grey area in stuff like this, but a sincere belief in the dignity of all humans requires some baseline respect. The right to say something someone might considered offensive in the sense of blasphemy or pornographic should be conceptually seperate from the right to foment hate against the marginalized. E; I think there's nexus of ideas I haven't really unpacked with regards to human rights as a social construct for ensuring the reciprocal respect, and human rights conceived of as inalienable truths (natural law sorta thing), where people conceive of the right existing independent of the social context it manifests in. Despite everything wrong with liberalism as a political philosophy writ large, I still like John Rawls and I still think the though experiment with "let's design a society where you would be ok wherever on the totem pole you ended up" is a good one for getting people to think about how rights and hierarchies in societies should be defined. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Mar 30, 2021 |
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Glenn has been quite silent so far on Arkansas passing a law that lets medical stuff refuse to treat trans patients. Guess it's one of those bonuses that make people just come out as trans to be cool and enjoy all the bennies, as he says.
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Sephyr posted:Glenn has been quite silent so far on Arkansas passing a law that lets medical stuff refuse to treat trans patients. Must be too busy being outraged that a socialist has rich parents https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1376661893968957442?s=20
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While I don't think "freedom of speech" is really the right framing for it, there's definitely been a long-running mentality/movement, which often appears superficially "left" or at least "liberal," that's big on "shocking the bourgeoisie" and sees "Mrs. Grundy" or "middle-class hypocrisy" or even "the superego" as the main enemy to be defeated. It sort of links together figures like Bill Maher, R. Crumb, George Carlin, various 19th-century French artists, etc. Much of the time it manifests itself as harmless artistic pretentiousness, and sometimes it can even do some good when repressive social/aesthetic norms really are an important part of the problem, but it's fundamentally amoral, and will aggressively break a good social norm just as easily as a bad one. Even in its more "progressive" forms it's tended to be unthinkingly sexist - notice that it's "Mrs. Grundy," not "Mr. Grundy" (and her Saturday Night Live Counterpart is the Church Lady, not the Church Gentleman, etc.). Over the past decade or so the US left-of-center has thankfully tended to turn against anti-Grundyism, while people like Milo Yiannopoulos have taken anti-Grundyism in a more overtly reactionary direction. But there's still a bunch of passionate anti-Grundyists who thought of themselves as liberal or leftist, like Maher and Taibbi, who didn't make the shift, are left feeling angry and confused, and now come across as the bigots and general assholes that they really were all along.
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Piell posted:Must be too busy being outraged that a socialist has rich parents I distinctly remember that guy getting harassed by RW You-Tubers for being gay and while the platform temporarily suspended those people (eventually), they weren't banned Now Glenn is going after him from a different angle also who gives a poo poo if someone has leftist views that had rich parents? I'm sure there are plenty of them.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Interesting that Glenn keeps doing the same kinds of things as right-wingers How can they be for socialism if they themselves are made from capital  - Glenn GreenwaldAlso he said Tucker Carlson is a socialist so I guess socialism is bad today but will be good again next time he's on Tucker's show.
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Angry_Ed posted:How can they be for socialism if they themselves are made from capital
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