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So now that Ashe is dead and the edict long ended can we hacksaw Barik out of his armor
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Looking at the deaths of the two archons I think they nailed it for Ashe but failed when it came to Nerat. Ashe, somebody who was once worthy of respect was broken by Kyros's forces and in an attempt to survive got a fate worse then death as he was twisted and corrupted until he was just a pathetic piece of poo poo. Nerat on the other hand dies much more composed when it would feel more suitable for him to out like Beria does in The Death of Stalin.
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Mar 30, 2021 16:34
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's better than that, Barik and the Disfavored constantly cite the Chorus as the low standard they rise above, yet, as you said, Nerat fought Cleo 1v4 without dragging in his Chorus line after trying to negotiate with her. I wonder how much of that is down to Nerat knowing for a fact that his Chorus goons would be worse than useless against the Fatebinder.
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I am surprised that Barik doesn't just die outright cause he is literally fused with his armor and all that keeps him alive is Ashes magic. It opens up avenue of thought that Archons magic keeps going on after their deaths and all those Disfavored racists can keep enjoying their almost invincible lives cause they believe in him still.
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Grenrow posted:I wonder how much of that is down to Nerat knowing for a fact that his Chorus goons would be worse than useless against the Fatebinder. I'd guess it's a mix of that and Nerat having needed Verse for the next 'version' of that Archon but that not happening so they're in a bad spot. If Nerat were the mastermind he pretends to be I'd be willing to entertain the idea their nature is one that has to constantly change and evolve, with Nerat having subsumed the Archon they effectively replaced and that after consuming Verse, the new dominant personality would effectively be a "new Nerat" who over time would also find a new successor to take control. Sadly he's not a mastermind so yeah. 
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Everyone's saying what i would have said regarding this part, so I'll just drop that a good team to take on Ashe with is Barik, Killsy, and Eb. So you have two people knocking back brewskies/desecrating his corpse/jamming to "Nazi Punks gently caress Off" while Barik has his breakdown. As fitting an end as someone like Graven Ashe is likely to get. I am a little disappointed that dealing with Nerat was as brief as it was, but something tells me you'll be coming back to that later, so I'll keep mum.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's better than that, Barik and the Disfavored constantly cite the Chorus as the low standard they rise above, yet, as you said, Nerat fought Cleo 1v4 without dragging in his Chorus line after trying to negotiate with her. Nerat probably figured that they'd be as likely to try to shank him as Cleo. That is how he trained them, after all. In very different ways, both Nerat and Ashe are kind of personified "sunk cost fallacy" people. With Ashe, it's being stuck with his troops because his personal power is entirely identified and associated with them; with Nerat, it's being stuck with all the people he ate driving him insane. Two sides of the same coin, as it were.
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Hunt11 posted:Looking at the deaths of the two archons I think they nailed it for Ashe but failed when it came to Nerat. Ashe, somebody who was once worthy of respect was broken by Kyros's forces and in an attempt to survive got a fate worse then death as he was twisted and corrupted until he was just a pathetic piece of poo poo. Nerat on the other hand dies much more composed when it would feel more suitable for him to out like Beria does in The Death of Stalin. Composed? The thing's mind is so fragmented from all the souls jammed in there that it went out like the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. How the sam hill is that composed?
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Cleopatra Jones and the Quest to Get HIgh Last time on Tyranny we fought our way into the Disfavored's camp, where Graven Ashe hid behind his men like a coward and sent them all to their deaths because he thought they were useless assholes. We completely destroyed the Disfavored forever, as without their Great Leader they had no motivation or selves whatsoever. Today we wrap up some loose ends.  As you might imagine, Killsy has some stuff to say about the death of her most hated enemy.  : Alpha to Kills-in-Shadow smells good. Like mountain doe. Makes Beastwoman's blood stir, run hot-hot. Makes Beastwoman want to hunt, bite, rut.Please don't involve Cleo in any of those things. : Alpha to Kills-In-Shadow slayed Disfavored called Graven Ashe. Was best death. But Beastwoman would have liked to rend muscle from bone, rip-torn skin, mauled and mangled - more. Not much. Just some more.: The Beastwoman sighs, languishing at the thought.Lady, we killed Ashe so hard all the Disfavored died. Except Barik. : Wanted to tap last drips of blood, swallow final cries of dying whimper. Wanted to watch die, more-than-five-times over.  : Had any good hunts, lately?: Good, yep. And many more-than-five.: The Beastwoman flexes and curls her claws in the air, the pitch blackness of them suddenly striking - a stark reminder of their power, their ability to kill.  And we're off. : Never mind.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 Hilariously, murdering Graven Ashe does not get us max wrath. Oh well.  I swap out Killsy for Lantry, both to prepare for his Annal Sects quest (ugh) and to read the runes in the Oldwalls.  I'll spare you the long and uninteresting backtracking and get to the details: we grab the Sigil of Timeless Form III (duration) and the Sigil of Stunning (electrical spells can stun on hit) from the Blade Grave, and the level four strength sigil from the Lethian's Crossing one. There are some Bane and backtracking. What more do you want?  Along the way I research the last Edict. It's kind of an odd one - it vaguely implies that we can discriminate between friend and foe, so I don't know if this works like the chain letters where if you like Cleo attractive people bump into you on the street and offer you free money but if you hate her you trip on your toilet and die.  Our reward for bringing the Blade Grave torchkey to the Crossing is... a poison recipe. Wow.  I end up starting the Scales of Mercy for the hell of it. It's another artifact we don't need, but why not?  I also grab Eb because I really don't want to take Sirin along for Annal Sects. This turns out to be the correct decision.  : Perhaps there are others besides me and the Overlord? : I should certainly hope not! Terratus isn't large enough for Kyros and... and it's certainly going to get very interesting if the two of you start... waving your Edicts to and fro. : I would have felt if someone else were proclaiming Edicts. I knew when this one activated the Spire! From what I know of Kyros, the Fatebinder is definitely a wrinkle in some carefully laid plans. Lantry is less willing to entertain the idea now.  : I can replicate her powers, but I'm not just like the Overlord. Sirin's just trolling us here. : I mean his...: You say that now, let's see if you still feel this way when the reality sinks in and your mastery of this newfound power solidifies. The world now bows to your mere utterance - each day you will grow stronger while the world becomes weaker in comparison. Eb that's even worse than Sirin.  : Enough about me for the moment. : Grab your things. I've need of your skills.: Of course. It's about time to stretch the old sea legs.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 We get this random encounter to hunt a giant snake. I oblige, in the secret yet forlorn hope that the game will give us something interesting to fight. Unfortunately it's a subterfuge followed by a frost magic check, that gives us two pieces of raw meat I will forget and never use. Moving on!  : It'll take more than a few Archon-led armies to do me in. : Glad to hear it! She laughs.: You bested the Archon of War... that's an incredible feat. A legendary feat, provided the Overlord doesn't rewrite the telling of it.: I suspect I know why you're here. She glances at Barik.: Getting him out of that armor is no simple feat. It's a part of him now, fused into his muscle and skin. Anything that gets him out of it... well, it'll be akin to peeling him like a potato. The outside'll come off, sure, but it's going to take some of the good stuff with it. : Thoughts, Barik?  : I'm listening. : [Lore 72] Because of the iron in it. : What was the purpose of this rite?: They used it for taking malformed armor off the dead without further mangling the corpse.  More evidence that Kyros planned to discard the Disfavored as soon as they were either broken or no longer useful. Graven Ashe really was a big moron. : Go on. : Will Archon blood serve?We are an Archon, we can spare a little.  : Tarkis Arri had noble blood, didn't she? : If we can find her. A wise woman would have fled as far from Vendrien's Well as her treacherous feet would carry her. His teeth grind together.: Though were she wise, she'd never have taken up arms against the Overlord in the first place.: If you can find her, and if she shares blood with the royal house of Apex, that would work. A lot of 'ifs', though. : That's not a bad idea. Would it work?That's the statue from the beginning of the game that was weeping blood as we were sent in to put down the rebellion. : I'm well familiar with the statue. The Sages wanted to pry into it, but the Vendrien Guard wouldn't let them anywhere near, save for those who fought in their ranks.: Is it the bloody tears of a dead queen? A portent of the blood to be spilled in defense of Apex? Improbably mineral-rich water? Given that the waters turned red when Kyros' forces invaded, there's likely a metaphysical, if tenuous, tie to the Overlord. Thus we can go back to the very beginning of the game.  We are accosted by... DARK BANE!  Seriously, they're just normal bane that have names like "Dark Wisp" and are more annoying to deal with. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be our Edict making everyone have crazy thoughts, Barik overcoming his massive mental resistance to no longer be Ashe's abuse victim, or what?  After the second-to-last trash mob fight of this playthrough, we're given the option to leap across, have Barik toss us, or use Barik as a bridge. There is no reason to not leap the gap unless your Athletics is trash or you want to be an rear end in a top hat.  I also feel I'm missing the symbolism here - is the idea to rub in that freeing Barik from his fascist convictions could only be done after he realized the blood he shed? I get the statue weeping blood when Kyros invaded, is it some kind of baptism?  : She helps you roll the barrel into the workshop, and the two of you dump the noisome liquid into a large, copper tub. Geez, lady! Keep your pants on! : Trundling over to the basin, Barik places a hand on its lip.: He flops heavily into the vat without a word and lies there motionless.   There's not much we can do, as we're not a hardcore enough healer or liar, so... : [Take Barik's hand.]: You slip your hand into Barik's gauntleted paw and squeeze. As the smith draws forth the next shard, Barik returns your gesture, the metal of his shell biting into you as your tendons pop under his strength.poo poo.   This is a painful process, both physically as we get Barik out of the armor, and metaphorically as we strip away the memories of Dear Leader to reveal he's a lying fraud.  Hope you all wanted naked Barik, goons.  : You okay, Barik?: His eyes flicker up to you, brows knitting into a scowl, lips twisting to a grimace.: The dishonor of our actions has hollowed me, Archon. I may never be unsullied again.Barik. You just got a baptism in blood that removed the unjust metaphorical hold of Ashe and Kyros. Dude... : I'm glad to see you free of the Overlord's shackles, even if the result is... in need of some polish.Barik, remember when Graven Ashe told me to kill your sister in front of you?  : Now I can actually draft your official portrait for the Chronicle. You have no idea how much this omission has haunted me. : I'm keeping the alloy we pulled of him[sic]. In exchange, I took the liberty of forging the sample you brought me before into an axe I hope is worthy of you.It's an artifact axe, so, yes, it is. The only problem I have with this deal is that she didn't bother telling us about it, but some ruined scrap armor (admittedly, probably magical) for an artifact axe and freeing Barik? Score.  : Thank you, Lycentia. For everything.  TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 Meet Hobo Barik. We can't progress with the quest until the next event procs, so we're going to have to ...go do Lantry's. I am really not looking forward to this.   We can finally kit out Barik in all that heavy armor we've had no use for all game, when we might have seriously done the last of our boss fights. You'll see.   This is the event we want. : As much as I hate the thought of befouling these waters, perhaps you could convince the legionnaire to cleanse a layer or two of filth from his carapace? It would be a nice change of pace for the Tiers' estuaries to wash away some of the Overlord's foulness for once, instead of the reverse.Eb, we all heard you say you would bang Barik during that game, we know your real motivation.  Let's try subtlety.   Goddammit Barik. I guess we order him.   This is how Barik reacts when an attractive woman tells him to get naked.  Meet Clean Barik!  Let's go into Lantry's house.  These stupid assholes show up to waste our time with the game's last trash fight. Just...go away! You don't need to die painfully at the hands of three mages with focused rain spells, one of whom is an Archon. Just gently caress off! : You come here in scarlet whining about past debts? I owe you nothing. And now you're trespassing in the only corner of Terratus I call my own. : Princess?: You disguise yourself once... it becomes this recurring topic. Lantry shakes his head with a frustrated wag of his hand. TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 They die. Moving on!  It's another one of those deals where you click the room for descriptions to proceed. Lantry left some dank weed behind and regrets it. He likes birdwatching, and has a ton of books.  : Thank Kyros, it's still here! I'll only be a moment.Rather telling that Lantry swears by Kyros despite us being all but in open rebellion against her. Him. Whoever. : An hour passes as Lantry flips through the pages of his book, slowly spelling out a coded message as he goes. : Find anything? : Understood.: Apologies. I'm uh... slow, but I'm cute? I'll get this figured out shortly, trust me. : Find anything? : [Glare silently.]: With a gruff clearing of his throat, Lantry dives back into his task with nervous energy. : What did you find? : Any idea what's hidden there? : How do you know this isn't a trap? : So are we done here?: Indeed we are, thank you for your patience. : [Leave.] Let's get going.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
 Oh no. Oh, NO! Now do you see why I left Sirin behind?   : Did you drag me all this way to make some new mind-altering ink?  Dammit Lantry! Actually, there are many ways you can be a dick to him I learned per reddit you can apparently torture the Sigil of Life out of him then leave him to die in the Chorus camp so you know what, the man's been through enough poo poo. Whatever floats your boat. I am kind of disappointed about all the lying.  : Cause what? : Though his mouth moves to form words, nothing reaches your ears. The world begins to tremble as your breath expands to fill the whole of your body with vigor. Yeah...we're super high now!  Oh dammit!  "A calm of tranquil haze", huh. So this is the Flashback Drug, which is why what I do in the next five minutes made some sense at the time.  : [Remain calm.]   : [Address the Voices.] What are you doing here? : The better question is, what are you doing here? We're trying to have a private moment with Lantry here. Do you mind?: Wait, you already have someone there? How do I meet up with this person? : [Address the Voices.] Just how long ago did you and Lantry meet?: We COULD tell you that, but wouldn't it just be us telling you what you think we think the answer is?: Lantry is one of many agents we seeded throughout the Tiers years before this war. One can never plan too far in advance.  He does have a point. : [Address the Voices.] What will be forgiven?Clearly not Lantry, you tied him to a stake and were going to eat him. : Sorry, but even in your dreams we hate your guts with the searing rage of a thousand hemroidal bears.: Yes, my answer is yes.: We're going to have a beautiful future - serve well, and you just might be part of it.: The Archon's head spins slowly, each time its face passes you, the expression on the mask becomes more and more twisted and taught, until at last its features are no longer a face. : The vision of Nerat fades into a swirl of flames. Your surroundings ripple, distorted by the heat of a blinding summer day that seems barely tepid to your touch. A new figure emerges from the fire.  : [Remain calm.] : Our defenses rival that of even Sentinel Stand Keep, yet you would waste our efforts building for the day they fail? My dear Lantry, stick to your Chronicles. Your job is to record our decisions, not to decide what the record will be.: You know I hate it when you talk like that! Even the most addled scribe learns that covering your ears and doubting a fact doesn't make it go away. If we surrender before war breaks out, we have a chance to - : So am I seeing your memories? These are some unusual berries.: I see now why Lexeme's notes mention these berries will probably cause permanent insanity.: You think me incautious? You think you're the only Sage telling me what MUST be done? You impertinent little gently caress. I know you have others swallowing the lies you ink them! Your absent-minded charade doesn't work on me. You poison their minds against me and have the gall to pretend like you're some well-meaninged mentor trying to be the kindly champion of the concerned student.: Do you think I am BLIND to the Overlord? Because I do not act with your reactionary zeal does not mean I fail to act at all. We are of course taking precautions. A failure to plan, is a plan to fail, after all. : [Remain calm.]: Then we are lucky that several dozen Sages are in line to inherit the Scrivener's Eye before it falls to you. But you worry too much, my dear Lantry - the way you see the world, we win either way.I'm convinced Chiasmus is the other Chorus agent, just from that last line. There's no real evidence either way, and it doesn't matter. The Scrivener's Eye, by the way, is the Lantry-only accessory we picked up from the library.  : The Chronicle will note your hubris. : So how did you describe the School's passing in your Chronicle?: I think I... may have touched upon a certain provost being exceptionally daft, but, for the sake of history, I did emphasize that ALL of the Sages were responsible for the School's collapse.: I uh, apologize for even mentioning the matter. I will take my leave.: Always a pleasure, brother Lantry. I'm assuming this was a consensual relationship as the Fatebinder doesn't react to Calio with horror, but who knows? It does confirm the vibes I got before the DLC came out that Calio was into the player. : Flames assault your senses and the vision of the Sage changes before your eyes. Oh dammit, Lexeme! You dragged us into that DLC shithole!  : [Lore 77] [Try to follow along with Lexeme's magical gestures.] : I know you're immune to flattery, but I assure you, you have some sort of natural accent and I can't replicate it for the life of me!Considering how smart Lantry and Cleo are, this is high praise.  Huh. So Bleden Mark isn't common knowledge, good to know. : [Remain calm.]: Laugh all you want but... everything I'm hearing leads me to believe Kyros will be here soon. I'd wager that by the year 430, we'll be overrun with Disfavored.The Conquest posted: : Well considering the Princess of Stalwart has all sorts of eyes and ears across Terratus, if you have it on good authority, it simply MUST be true.: I'm trying to be serious here. When the war starts, field study will get curtailed, and we'll have a fight on our hands we can't survive. : This princess term demands an explanation.: So it turns out you can convince a lot of dumb people - especially young nobles with more rings than sense - to give those rings to a noble cause. This is just such a weird inclusion. We knew that Lantry was a spy for Nerat, but he's never really given us the idea that he's a con artist or particularly shifty. He went around and did adventures for the Sages, sure, and they stole Eb's tidecasting, but there's nothing that really screams that he's untrustworthy or unscrupulous. He gets very upset at cruelty.  : [Remain calm.]: What I want is... irrelevant. We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.  : Was it what you were hoping to experience?: Well I... don't know what I was expecting, honestly. I think I just wanted to talk to the Lexeme I remembered.She's still alive and down there, you know. We sentenced her to help with the Sleepless, and she seemed pretty lucid. Incidentally, the achievement in the corner is for doing this quest. Only 1.5% of Steam Tyranny players completed it. Draw your own conclusions. : The Lexeme she has become is... not the person I thought I loved.I'll say. That lady seemed smart and the Lexeme we met was a total idiot.  : Has correcting the record afforded you some peace? : The Chronicle certainly seems safer in your hands.: You honor me, Archon. But I'm merely doing my duty as a scholar. : And you're certain your understanding is more accurate? : I doubt she'll be pleased by you undoing her work.: So be it. When she sullied the Chronicle, she lost the right to speak on behalf of history. OUCH. Let's leave option four alone, I doubt either of us would like that particular dialog. : [Leave] Ready to keep moving?: Thank you. I think I needed this last interaction with Lexeme before I... replace her pages in the Chronicle.: Well then... enough chatter for now. Let's be on our way.TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
I'm not really sure how to feel about this quest. The idea that Lantry would seek solace in drugs to try to make sense of his past is spot on for him, but they don't really do anything we haven't seen before. We knew he spied for Nerat, we knew he tried to get the Sages to surrender, failed, and Kyros had Cleopatra rain fire upon the Citadel. We knew he had a relationship with Lexeme and that she was good at magic. We honestly learn more about the player character (Calio had a maybe consensual sexual thing with them and Bleden Mark's training is from hell) than we do about Lantry. I like Lantry as a character, and really feel he was done wrong by these DLC quests.  I decide to go for Round 2 semi-blind, figuring we'll see something about the Fatebinder's past we haven't seen before. This is a mistake.   : [Barik Loyalty 3]: I... suppose I could try a little. Oh no.  Barik and Graven Ashe dancing?  Huh?  Oh poo poo! Tunon's got MOVES!  I guess we're all naked now, except Barik. See, the code to remove everyone's equipment is bugged, so weapon slots 3 and 4 (which you unlock via Fatebinder talents) isn't removed, and Barik seems to be immune to everyone's great joy.   I... I don't want to know.  NOPE. The worst part is that there's no saved loadouts, so not pictured is me going through all the random vendor trash I have and re-equipping everyone with artifacts. I'm not sure if this makes Lantry a borderline date rapist or what the gently caress this is! It's implied that it's just naked dancing, then there's that status effect... look, every time this game tries to introduce sexuality it just comes off as broken or juvenile. It's not like 100 Years of Solitude or something where the family's incestuous ways ultimately drat them and show how hosed up they are, it's poo poo like Rape Math. Moving on! We have one final dialogue with Barik.  Absolutely loving not.  : Hair shorn and face shaven and clean, you can make out the tracery of scars that crisscross his skin. : Feeling any better?: Yes, the pain has faded significantly. The memory of it, however... I suspect that shall remain with me until I draw my last breath. Barik's not fully out of the woods. It's hard to come to terms with the fact that all of your life - where everyone around you told you were an honorable and good person - was spent in the service of evil.  He's not wrong! We've been double-crossing both of Kyros' armies, the Court of Tunon to a lesser extent, and possibly the Unbroken. : Give it a try then. Redeem me. I'm really curious to see what this is. We know Barik's dad is a dishonorable rear end in a top hat who cheated on his wife and abandoned Verse. We know Ashe was a gutless coward who sacrificed scores of his men to postpone his death slightly. : I would appreciate that. My guess is we're supposed to believe that these guys talked a better game than they actually performed and that some value is in their words. TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
With that we have nothing else to do in this run. I guess we could dick around and research stuff, but I don't care and neither should you. We're already crazy powerful, let's go talk to Bleden Mark.  Bleden Mark is not loving around now. No more free exposition or sword practice.  A lot of people complain about how you're railroaded into opposing Kyros, but what did you think was going to happen? Kyros rewards loyalty with death, from the very first character we met (Aurora) to the deaths of Nerat and Graven Ashe. Cleopatra's adventures have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the Empire stands for nothing but its own power. There is no other option at this point - we either face Tunon and Kyros, or perish. : [Take the dagger.]Let's at least take the option that doesn't make us look like a dumbass. Do you think Bleden Mark offering to help us fight Tunon and Kyros isn't recognition? Do you think we have a choice to not fight the Overlord? What do you think that dagger means?  : With a soft hiss, wispy tendrils unfurl from the curved blade. They bite at you, swiftly slicing a sharp mark as the dagger dissolves into the palm of your hand.Bleden Mark can't go back either now - I would imagine Tunon or Kyros would know instantly what this means.   TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
Next time: Cleopatra faces the consequences of her actions.
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: OoOoOoOoH! DaAaRrRk BAaAnNeE!
: Nevertheless, I feel extremely bad because Ashe is dead.
It's time to waste MORE time with a trash fight, princess!
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Now that we've seen all Edicts, it's pretty clear that all of them have terrible effects, even if Malediction mentions it apparently has friendly fire off. I'm pretty sure that's why you can't have an Edict of Bountiful Harvests or something like that: Edicts seem pretty much meant to be an allegory for the tools of horror tyrants used throughout history. Notice you even need power to use them! And while Lantry's quests was in general.... something, the part when you can start talking to a flashback of Nerat was actually kind of funny. More so since it seems to react to your actions in the game regarding him? (Since I guess if you side with him/are still alive he would have different dialog).
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The part with Nerat mind-talking to you was incredibly trippy, which feels appropriate. You actually missed some Barik dialogue by not talking to him immediately after killing Graven Ashe (or it didn't fire for you). He's basically in a massive stupor after the events, Verse goes all 'poo poo I have no idea what's going on with him'. You can help him, though there's some really mean options in there as well (stabbing him or kicking him doesn't seem very helpful....). An interesting facet of Barik's sidequest is that if you side with the Forge-Bound in the Rebel path, they actually do the job on Barik themselves. The quest goes through the same motions, but there's a lot of minute differences of phrasing to account for them doing it for you. As well as the fact that they offer you the metal scraps or the weapon they made from the ingot. The weapon is also different, being a 1 handed hammer. There's a lot of detail put into Barik's sidequest, which feels at odds with how low-effort Sirin's is, or the mess that is Bastard Wound. It's fairly telling that Barik doesn't actually take a bath himself when he's out of the armor. A mix of massive obliviousness and lack of ability to think for himself and all. I'm also a bit sad you didn't mention what Barik's and Verse's combo move actually is back when you unlocked it. It's Verse shooting Barik full of arrows to use him as a shrapnel mine. It kind of speaks volumes about the both of them, really....
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Eb, we all heard you say you would bang Barik during that game, we know your real motivation. Interestingly, I don't think she actually meant she wanted to sleep with Barik. She says she wants to gently caress Barik like the Disfavored hosed the Tiers. Translation: she wants to hurt, degrade, and brutalize Barik out of revenge.
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Before this DLC, there was only one other way (that I'm aware of) to get Barik out of his armor. not really spoilers but just in case You can stick him in Nerat.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:
I like this bit. It's not really about Cleo at all, she is just using the old educator's technique of teaching someone by having them explain a thing to you. Barik has never had to think for himself or develop his own moral compass in his entire life. He is working though de-conditioning by developing his own personal philosophy which is effective precisely because Cleo is having him take these steps in a way that he doesn't even realize that is what he is doing. If you directly challenge someones beliefs, it triggers defense mechanisms, but approaching it indirectly like this doesn't. It really stands out how much better the writing on Barik's portion of DLC is compared to the rest of it. Lantry's quest is bad, but talking with Nerat in the trip was pretty good. I like the ambiguity that some part of Nerat may have yet survived, or it might just be in Cleo's head.
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Cythereal posted:Interestingly, I don't think she actually meant she wanted to sleep with Barik. She says she wants to gently caress Barik like the Disfavored hosed the Tiers. She makes it as clear in the rut mate slaughter game
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:
There's actually three possibilities here, and I think the one that they have this rite for after the Disfavored are wiped out is least likely, given the past tense "they used it for." Possibility two: They used this rite prior to Ashe surrendering, on armored soldiers serving Kyros, and/or on armored foes to take their armor. Possibility three: Leaving all that valuable armor on the corpses of dead Disfavored makes no sense. So after Ashe presided over a burial ceremony, they dug up the corpses and yoinked the armor. It's unclear whether Ashe would have known about that or not; I don't see that Kyros would have cared, so either he was complicit or he chose not to notice.
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the basic funny thing about tyranny armor styling is that the vendrians well peeps have deec bronze age armor and the disfavored have early modern renaissance armor. like, 1600s poo poo
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Barrick is much more handsome than I assumed. I always pictured him as kinda doughy and pale, like a british tourist at the beach.
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Barrick is much more handsome than I assumed. I always pictured him as kinda doughy and pale, like a british tourist at the beach. He's Verse's half-brother, so it makes sense he shares some resemblance to her. They even both have heterochromia.
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I also find it fun that they both have the same pose in their portraits.
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Huh this run / dlc's fate for Barik is significantly different than the last time I played, where he just went catatonic after killing Ashe, unless I yelled orders at him he'd just stand there like a lump then eventually just die like that
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Cleopatra Jones and the Trial of Tunon Last time we wrapped up a bunch of stuff before the end of the game. Today we confront the game's final boss.  It's time to confront our old boss, Tunon. He actually likes us a lot, oddly enough. This might actually help us!  This is the last challenge in the game.  Let's face the consequences of our actions.  Court is very busy today!   One lone idiot protests but everyone files out because poo poo is about to go down!  He's not kidding! This is the final confrontation of the game and I absolutely adore it. : [Bow to Tunon.] : I first want to make it clear why we've assembled today. After the collapse of Vendrien's Well and the start of the civil war, it became clear to me that there must have been some great fault on the part of the Archons. I'm not sure if he's supposed to say this on Anarchy given that he never gave us the assignment to investigate.  And nothing of value was lost.  : I hope it isn't your intention to arm yourself before a court of peaceful legal representatives, commander, unless to offer amusement as Bleden mark flays you for our delight. Calio offers an encouraging smile. : Tunon turns to aim what you can only assume is a stern look. He refocuses back onto you with cool stoicism.: Much has happened since I dispatched you on that mission.I'm pretty sure this is bugged.  Remember, Tunon values the law and the commands of the Overlord. : I acted on the Overlord's admonition that only one Archon would rule the Tiers. Shut up.  I believe these guys will chime in for you if you sided with the appropriate legion, but it's been a while since I played any of the legion paths. : And you would be that self-appointed ruler? Tunon shakes his head. This court wonders what blood sacrifices your ambition will demand of you next.Tunon isn't entirely wrong here. By all appearances we have been grabbing power faster than Homer Simpson grabbing donuts. : The court has a serious problem to address. Your conduct throughout this campaign has come into question, and you will answer for your actions.The legion delegations leave the court here.  Did you run around making GBS threads on Kyros' laws? You're going to have a good time!  : Am I not allowed to have a trial? Is that not the proper procedure? Tunon doesn't preconvict you if you helped a legion. : I want to defend my actions. This is a massive turning point. We didn't see the Archon trial, but Tunon convicts the Archons in absentia without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It's a hint that you are going to receive a fair trial, for reasons we shall see.  I sure hope you've been paying attention to the Overlord's laws! Tunon is actually kind of hardcore.  The Fatebinders will chime in - they will say good things if your favor is high, and poo poo on you if your Tunon favor is low. : The Court has inquiries into your conduct. Did you treat your companions like poo poo? : Who will speak on behalf of the Fatebinder?: The ironclad commander will step forward, if indeed he had the strength to walk.: You... you want me to speak, Adjudicator?: Barik self-consciously straightens his shoulders and steps forward. Aww. thanks Barik! You want your character witnesses to have Loyalty 3 or higher. Our entire party has loyalty 3 or higher. : Will anyone else speak on the Fatebinder's behalf?: Tidecaster. Let yourself be known to the Court.: The Court wishes my testimony? Well then... I am Eb of the School of Tides and... this room echoes a lot, it's very intimidating. : Will anyone else speak on the Fatebinder's behalf?: Let the aged chronicler step forward.: If it may please the Court, I will speak true. : And, if required, I could produce my travelogue to back my claims. I have noted the good with the bad, and I think you'll find the Archon has been a force of order and balance - exactly what you should want from a Fatebinder.: Will anyone else speak on the Fatebinder's behalf?: Evidently not. The time has come for the Fatebinder to offer her testimony. So here's the thing with the trial - this is not a kangaroo court or the Moscow Show Trials. Tunon has real doubts, and if we play our cards right, we can prove to Tunon that something is rotten in the state of Kyros. : Supporting Archons who already proved themselves lacking would have been a waste of progress. I recognized a better way to unify the Tiers. What you want to emphasize is that you followed the will of the Overlord, your duties as a Fatebinder, and the law of Kyros. : Lethian's Crossing is under my protection, and yet you stole the Magebane Helm. Without the arcane protection that I commissioned from the Forge-Bound, the city is laid before the Bane like an offering.: Why did you steal it?This is another legitimate concern! Now, we did kill all the Bane and our buddy Big Bane, but Tunon does have a point that we stole from the city.  Calio interjects favorably because we've gone out of our way to kiss Tunon's rear end. : I couldn't allow the Bane to impede my attempts to restore order. The helmet will be returned.Tunon is not a forgiving sort.  Do not be arrogant toward Tunon, and do not admit fault.  This actually got updated in the Bastard's Wound DLC. Before you could ace the trial by passing lore checks. The best you can do here now is mitigate Tunon's wrath. Do NOT pick option 3. We, the player, know it's true, but Tunon is actively looking for crumbs to bolster his faith in Kyros here. By committing blasphemy we confirm Tunon in his beliefs and he can happily sentence us to death. : Kyros didn't intend for the Edict to last forever. We discussed this in spoiler chat, and someone in the thread pointed out this shouldn't be possible. This is your hint that Tunon is wavering. Remember, Tunon's entire deal is that Kyros' law is good because Kyros offers peace and an end to starvation, but Kyros just threw her own peace right out the window with the special declaration of Archon war and tacitly encouraging the civil war.  Remember how this was our textbook example of an impossible situation where the laws failed? : My only trespass came in pursuit of trespassers, that I might punish their transgressions.: The circumstances you describe have no precedent... but I trust your reasoning. Agents of the Court are not immune to the law, but your position was an impossible one. : They attacked me and hence violated Kyros' peace. I defended myself appropriately.Remember, take the Kyros' Peace option. Peace good!  See? You can see the doubt grow as Tunon realizes that you're in the right.  This one is a result of using [Glare Silently.] too often. Really! The questions Tunon poses are drawn from Conquest actions and in-game actions. Delaying Edicts gets Tunon asking what the hell you were thinking, for example. : In my dispensation of justice, I find it most useful to let others do the talking while I observe and allow them to incriminate themselves.: That is... a better justification than I had suspected. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity.We're really at the bottom of the barrel here.  : I joined this conquest for the glory of Kyros, but I'm less certain the Archons did for the same reason.   So, you know all my advice about what NOT to say? I'm throwing that out, because you get special stuff on both succeeding and failing the trial. The wiki also claimed you might get Tunon to go along with this. Cleopatra throws the trial in a deleted scene posted:
: Though I have ever strived to bring peace and order to this shattered region, I recognize that our work is an uphill battle, and well worth the struggle.: The way you frame it, the conquest sounds like a matter of true personal investment. Most curious...: After weighing the charges, this court finds you... Huh. Astute readers might have inferred the result from Mark not attacking. Needless to say, this only occurs on the Anarchy route.  : Adjudicator. Kid. He greets the both of you with a curt nod before stating his claim.  : Be careful, Archon of Shadows, for you are in danger of overstepping your station.: Dark tendrils flare from beneath Tunon's cloak, a silent warning. This is your cue to shut up. Tunon even said that silence was cool and good when we explained our motive, so... : [Remain silent.]: Do not speak of our Overlord in such a manner before others. Do not sully Kyros with your petty ambition and desires. Your testimony has been heard, Court Blade. Interrupt further, and I'll find you in contempt.: The Archon bends forward into a stately bow, glancing one last time to you before he steps aside to await Tunon's decision.: Cleopatra Jones, after weighing the charges and with careful consideration of Bleden Mark's testimony, the Court concedes to judge you...  I have been yammering on this entire LP about how Kyros' law pretends to be a cool system for something resembling social justice, and is actually used to justify stealing poo poo and screwing people over. Tunon's been dealing with this cognitive dissonance for a long time, until Kyros openly threw everything out the window. We've been talking a lot about how Kyros can control bad people with power, but she struggles when it comes to idealists like Tunon because they actually expect her to promote those ideals. Of course, being an opportunistic tyrant interested only in power, Kyros has no intention of doing any of this.  : Adjudicator, are you unwell? Rhogalus takes a cautious step.  Tunon can't ignore the evidence any longer! By all accounts, Kyros ordered him to execute someone who did everything right, followed the laws to the best of her ability, and put everything she had into trying to make the Conquest work, and yet Kyros is asking him to throw everything she supposedly stands for out the window. : I once thought that Kyros was the sole Overlord. The notion of rising to her echelon of power and influence wasn't a concept that existed for me... for anyone. We've shaken Tunon so badly that his impartial mask is twisting and he can't even bring himself to finish his thought.  It also speaks well of Tunon that instead of trying to play power games, he offers to join you to make better laws that don't suck. : I accept. Together, we will rewrite law and lay the groundwork for a new empire.: My gavel, and my justice, are yours. I will execute your laws as you draft them, show mercy as you see fit, and bring to ruin all who would reject you. drat!  Tunon goes back to his office to arrange for the oath.  Tunon's purple now! He went from a gold nameplate to a purple one. : The time has come to take up the gavel and usher in a new age of structure and law to the Tiers. Tunon assembles all the court officials and Tiers nobles to join him in swearing fealty to Cleopatra.  : Your loyalty and confidence are appreciated.: As the ruling Archon of the Tiers, I submit to your authority, and thank you for bringing order out of chaos. The assembled Fatebinders, nobles, and bailiffs take a knee to acknowledge the new ruler of the Unified Tiers.  It's pretty clear this is what he wanted Kyros to be - a shining example of leadership and unity who led everyone to peace and prosperity. This is exactly what Kyros could never be due to the mechanics of her rule.   Unfortunately, Kyros is still coming to beat our asses.  : What would you recommend?Tunon knows Kyros better than anyone at this point.  : An Edict proclaimed on the Northern Empire should do the trick. TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
So, let's talk about the trial. You need to have sufficiently high favor with Tunon (I believe 4) to stand a chance at passing it at all, and then various factors give you points for passing it. You want to bring companions at Loyalty 3 or higher to be effective character witnesses, and post Bastard's Wound there's a lot more actions that start Tunon predisposed against you. I'm told that if you come in with extremely low Wrath you can get Tunon to acknowledge some of the criticisms of Kyrosian law, but I don't recommend it. You can pass the trial on any of the four paths, but you really need to watch your answers and methodically prove you did your due diligence as a Fatebinder. As we saw from Cleopatra's reply above, it's really easy to gently caress up this trial by making the wrong choice and be forced to fight Tunon. Thematically it's pretty simple - while ostensibly the Fatebinder is on trial here, it's the kind of trial that simultaneously puts the burden back on the legal system. Kyros would very much like Tunon to turn his power against Cleopatra and make her disappear, but Tunon is first and foremost a legal bureaucrat - he can't do that, because he truly believes in the principles of the law. Now, he is very much biased in favor of Kyros after the Bastard's Wound update - before, you could spam Lore checks and he'd realize that Kyros sucked and was fallible, and now you have to lead him to draw these conclusions while he clings desperately to the ruins of his faith - you can still demonstrate how Kyrosianism falls apart when confronted with reality. If Kyros is omnipotent, why are all these laws collapsing? Why are we punishing Cleopatra for doing everything Kyros wanted? If I'm the Archon of Justice, why is Bleden Mark - the slayer of the unjust - warning me I'm about to commit an injustice in my own court? There are a few hints scattered throughout the dialog that Tunon's faith in Kyrosianism is shaking, such as calling Cleopatra "Fatebinder" when Kyros named her an Archon, or believing that Cleopatra can somehow corrupt the will of the omnipotent Overlord. The other great irony is that while Kyros's empire is built on being cruel and arrogantly striving for power, winning over Tunon requires compassion for your companions and humility in the face of allegations of ambition. Yes, Tunon will judge you for things like sparing Amelia's baby or delaying the Edict of Fire, but there is legal precedent for the last (Nerat asked me to do it) and sparing the baby requires Tunon to process a ton of cognitive dissonance. Ultimately Tunon turns against Kyros not because he's an amoral monster, but because he's the opposite. I would not claim Tunon is some moral paragon by any means, but he's the only Archon we've fought so far with anything resembling a conscience.  I legitimately never noticed this, but if you scroll off the map you can see Ashe and the Disfavored. It's a nice touch.  We have one last vote before the end of the game.  Unfortunately, the DLC interns took one last dump on us with the new stupid ending I've been hinting at all game, and here it is. In the original game your only option was to drop an Edict on the Northern Empire, but our new ending is that we can surrender to Kyros. I'll be honest: I hate it! The entire game, from start to finish, has been showing us that there can be no peace between us and the Overlord. Kyros doesn't value loyalty, Kyros has no interest in the people she governs other than stealing their possessions and lording it over them, Kyros' Peace is a lie, and Kyros would happily destroy us to cling to power. We're personally a massive threat to the Overlord because, as we told Tunon in the failed scene, we actually offer an alternative. The only reason I see this ending added is because idiots on Reddit and Steam forums would not shut up about how they wanted to be loyal to Kyros and bring peace and prosperity to the Tiers, and it misses the entire point of the game! The reward for loyalty is death. That said, if people really want to end this playthrough by surrendering, I will show off that ending if it gets enough votes. Decisions Lie Before Us! Do we surrender to Kyros, or use an Edict? If you choose an Edict, pick one: Fire, Storms, Stone, Nightfall, or Malediction. Choose wisely!
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You fool! Kyros taught me how to keep you in line! Now, you must watch all of Michael Bay's movies before I let you out! 
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Apr 1, 2021 09:08
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Let's hit them with some Malediction. I imagine a theoretical Tyranny 2 would start off with Kyros trying to blatantly have you murdered if you surrendered.
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I can understand the developers adding the Loyalist Ending for one reason: the marketing of the game hosed up real hard by presenting Tyranny as "Evil Overlord Minion Simulator". I remember clearly the game being presented as this back on release, so the disappointment of people who thought the game was about that (granted those same people missed the point of the game). As for the ending, I also vote for Malediction, we've already seen the destructiveness of the other Edicts and it doesn't feel right to strike back with them, and as a bonus it seems to be an Edict Kyros never used? Unless the research was for "obscure Edicts Kyros used but people forgot about". Also there's a blooper reel of Tyranny VA that has Ray Chase saying this in the most suggestive way possible. "Lawful manner" indeed 
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Apr 1, 2021 09:21
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Never surrender. Burn those fuckers! This Resonator Kills Fascists
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Apr 1, 2021 09:24
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Edict some Malediction on Kyros! I'll also have to agree, the Marketing poo poo the bed on that one, even when I first became aware of Tyranny it was about "Play as an agent of the evil side for once!" instead of what it actually is. Also, this is just another mark against people whining on the internet. Blegh.
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business side of obsidian was really great with poe, bringing the company back, basically, after big layoffs, then they hosed up tyranny and poe 2 and sold to microsoft. there could be worse fates
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Apr 1, 2021 09:31
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Malediction is my vote since we don't get to see it already in effect in the campaign.bob dobbs is dead posted:business side of obsidian was really great with poe, bringing the company back, basically, after big layoffs, then they hosed up tyranny and poe 2 and sold to microsoft. there could be worse fates PoE2 is actually extremely good though. Using Fig instead of Kickstarter was bad.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:business side of obsidian was really great with poe, bringing the company back, basically, after big layoffs, then they hosed up tyranny and poe 2 and sold to microsoft. there could be worse fates I like Tyranny's story, but it's not a super-fun game.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I like Tyranny's story, but it's not a super-fun game. this is not an impediment to getting it sold to lots of people, which is the bit they hosed up on
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So the time has finally come. Don't Surrender, Nightfall. ------- TheGreatEvilKing posted:I'll be honest: I hate it! The entire game, from start to finish, has been showing us that there can be no peace between us and the Overlord. Kyros doesn't value loyalty, Kyros has no interest in the people she governs other than stealing their possessions and lording it over them, Kyros' Peace is a lie, and Kyros would happily destroy us to cling to power. We're personally a massive threat to the Overlord because, as we told Tunon in the failed scene, we actually offer an alternative. The only reason I see this ending added is because idiots on Reddit and Steam forums would not shut up about how they wanted to be loyal to Kyros and bring peace and prosperity to the Tiers, and it misses the entire point of the game! The reward for loyalty is death. (I don't agree on the reward for loyalty being death as the entire point, for one.) What gets me is that it technically did it's job, it gave would-be loyalists a loyalist end, but it was slapped together worse than bastard's wound. It shouldn't have been an ending or even a path of it's own, it should've been a recurring theme your character interacted with throughout the game! Something the fatebinder could interact with as they confront what it means for them to be loyal to Kyros, if they see themselves as fulfilling their idea of loyalty, and if they even want to by the end of it. But that isn't what we got. For my own run, I chose to surrender, but not out of loyalty for Kyros. I was firmly in the "Kyros wants the Tiers to be an eternal meatgrinder" party when I did my own run, and thus picked it because it would make my fatebinder look good and secure their fame while putting Kyros in a bind. With the other Archons in the tiers dead or under my control, including the favored headsman, and my "loyalty" made loud and clear, Kyros now has to deal with an enemy in their own court capable of dropping edicts and thus poses the threat of mutually assured destruction if they do try anything. My star ascends, Kyros's stand's to plummet. Of course, the actual loyalist ending we did get doesn't have this room for nuance, and feels empty for it. I can headcannon all I like about it, but the loyalist ending we got is the loyalist ending we got. Now, with the fall of Tunon being shown, I think I can wrap up my thoughts on Archons + Kyros. ...In another post, because I think it's going to be a big enough deal to warrant one.
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I mean, it IS an evil minion simulator. With the betrayal inherent in the system. You stay loyal to Kyros, he's murdering the lot of you. Malediction her and start the rebellions rolling Arcanuse posted:
I mean, Kyros would just flat out murder you. Or remove Sirin's hat and get her to make you kill yourself. Does putting Verse/Barik in the Voices let you remove Sirin's hat btw? It was Nerat and Kyros who concieved it, wasn't it?
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I don't hate the idea of surrendering to Kyros at the end, even if I don't like the way it pans out, but god drat do I hate all the "wha-but I'm loyal to Kyros!" dialogue options peppered throughout act 3. Something about the tone of them really grinds my gears. Also send an Edict of Nightfall their way. Malediction is the coolest edict obviously, but Nightfall is exclusive to the friends of Mark route.
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Veloxyll posted:I mean, Kyros would just flat out murder you. Or remove Sirin's hat and get her to make you kill yourself. Mhm. Unless Sirin had a change of heart between now and their last meeting, I don't see her following Kyros's orders again, especially with the helmet off. One way or another Bleden Mark is also off the table. Now, Kyros themself certainly has the means to off the fatebinder, but anything that can be traced back to Kyros is going to cause some serious problems in the empire, on top of the existing issue of having no more targets to keep warring against. Even without the threat of having our own edict dropped on their head during the attempt, there are still the other Archons to deal with after. Which, even if the other Archons aren't the brightest (looking at you Ashe) they would have to be braindead to not understand what Kyros killing the unifier of the tiers meant. Any delusion other Archons still hold of Kyros's peace or that they are somehow still valued after Kyros was done with them cracks or shatters outright, and each Archon needs to decide very quickly if they want to make the first move or wait for Kyros to start manufacturing enemies to throw fresh Archons eager to prove themselves against. So yes, Kyros could take out the tiers-unifying edict-dropping fatebinder, potentially quite easily; It's just that the "loyal" fatebinder living isn't the problem. It's what comes after killing them  Kyros's empire is shaky as it is, giving it a kick like this is going to have a lot further reach than one dead problem Archon.
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I say Nightfall because this is literally the only path that it's available. The trial here is really good, and I'm glad I got to see it. I came in with high favor and high wrath, I failed to convict either Nerat or Ashe, and he jumped straight to the attempted execution. Like I mentioned earlier, the healing-over-time spells pull in huge overtime here on the boss fights. There's two, one that's normally a single target and one that does healing pulses to everyone in an area. Give the single-target an aoe accent, cast both, be immortal. Tunon (or anyone else) cannot do damage fast enough to overcome 18% health healed every 3 seconds. Granted, the fight didn't last long enough that I had to worry about recasting the buffs either. I brought a physical party. The one thing that physical units do better than mages is sustained DPS on a single target. A combination of their auto-attacks actually being good and that most mage spells kind of have a blindspot for single target damage. Focused Rain is nice and all, but the long CD means a disadvantage on singular beefy targets.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Also there's a blooper reel of Tyranny VA that has Ray Chase saying this in the most suggestive way possible. "Lawful manner" indeed This blooper reel? (Relevant section at 5:03) (Posted now because of endgame spoiler clips, but we should be past that!)
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Arcanuse posted:So yes, Kyros could take out the tiers-unifying edict-dropping fatebinder, potentially quite easily; It's just that the "loyal" fatebinder living isn't the problem. I had similar thinking, and that's what rubbed me the wrong way about the edict ending. You're railroaded into throwing down an Edict against an unsuspecting city, and the game doesn't pull any punches about how tens to hundreds of thousands of people die just so you can prove a point. You can't threaten first, you can't nuke an empty chunk of land, it's just "blow away this city out of the blue". The loyalty ending is considerably better, since you're only really claiming to be loyal, and isn't that what everyone has been doing since the beginning? You can always change your mind later, you're not actually giving up the power to use edicts... and your reign of peace in the Tiers doesn't start off with a war crime against civilians.
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Edict of Nightfall, it's exclusive to this route.
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