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Okay? https://twitter.com/onepantherplace/status/1377077220884291585?s=21
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I really wish this guy wasn't such a jackass.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:10
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Not sure how many good lawyers use rambling social media posts of that nature. Not sure how posting that helps anything whatsoever.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:33
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Oh Christ.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:48
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I can see it already, people are going to use this to justify why it's okay for Watson to keep playing. "Well, clearly it couldn't have been that bad if they weren't willing to bring evidence to the police!"
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Mar 31, 2021 14:10
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I mean complaining about the politics in the HPD and referring it to your previous political campaign, one in which you were caught red handed making up text messages, is REALLY loving BAD LAWYERING
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Mar 31, 2021 14:13
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Is Buzzbe still a good lawyer? Like he had some impressive judgements before but he seems like he's going to gently caress this up before it gets to trial. Edit: i cannot spell this guy's name correctly for the life of me. My brain just shorts out. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 14:13
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I wish this Buzbee guy didn't seem like such a bumbling moron
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Mar 31, 2021 14:13
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What "other investigative authorities" is he even talking about? Does Judge Judy have a bunch of detectives on retainer or something?
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Mar 31, 2021 14:14
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Is Buzzbe still a good lawyer? Like he had some impressive judgements before but he seems like he's going to gently caress this up before it gets to trial. Rudy Giuliani was theoretically once a good lawyer.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:18
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Obviously I'm not a lawyer, or even what some might call "near average intelligence", say, but as their legal council if you discovered this potential conflict of interest aren't you morally, if not legally, obligated to refer your clients in this matter to other council? I mean yea there's the temptation to stay on to be the public figurehead for this and the notoriety that entails, and I'm guessing clearly that's in play here, but you'd think publicly stating "I have a conflict of interest." Would REQUIRE some action...
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Mar 31, 2021 15:19
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Obviously criminal law isn’t my thing but that strikes me as inherently suspicious.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:29
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Is Buzzbe still a good lawyer? Like he had some impressive judgements before but he seems like he's going to gently caress this up before it gets to trial. His most famous judgement was a $100m award from BP that was reduced to $1m on appeal so  Amy Pole Her posted:Obviously criminal law isn’t my thing but that strikes me as inherently suspicious. Makes me wonder if it's an attempt to reach a settlement in which nothing is publicly disclosed and it all just goes away Shimrra Jamaane posted:Rudy Giuliani was theoretically once a good lawyer. Yeah but he had a stroke or something right? e: anyway that statement reads like an attempt to run for mayor again more than a legal thing. The whole "Rusty Hardin's son is going to gently caress us" claim might even be actionable? IDK Intruder fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 15:34
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I think it’s more likely this dude sees this as a way to become a celebrity and is trying to be cute for that purpose. Which is not good for his plaintiffs.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:37
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i mean i’d probably reserve judgment on buzbee’s lawyerin until more comes out; there are lots of reasons not to trust law enforcement with details on criminal behaviorIntruder posted:His most famous judgement was a $100m award from BP that was reduced to $1m on appeal so that has more to do with the state of tort reform vs any actual evaluation of his lawyering
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Mar 31, 2021 15:39
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There is no real reason. As things aren’t going to be meaningfully different if you do it at some later date Plus you know he said he was gonna do it then backtracked
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Mar 31, 2021 15:43
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He didn't say he was going to do it, he said he HAD done it. He's been steadily backtracking since until finally arriving at "Well if you idiots had elected me I could be having him prosecuted" which isn't going to work as well as he thinks if the people I've heard talking about it are any indication
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Mar 31, 2021 15:48
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Two more lawsuits filed this morning. As with last time, I won't type up the sordid details of the actual assaults, I'll just quote whatever seems new or unusual. The full texts of the lawsuits are at the Scribd links. #20 quote:When asked if he wanted a male or female massage therapist, Watson specifically requested that it be a female and requested to see the Instagram pages of the women so he could choose the specific therapist. quote:When Plaintiff responded no again, Defendant Watson realized that Plaintiff was not going to entertain his sexual advances and stated that the massage was done. #21 -- and this one seems really extra bad compared to the others (not that the others weren't already bad) and has a lot more detail about the victim's state of mind. quote:Watson initially contacted Plaintiff in July 2020 on SnapChat, via direct message. Watson and Plaintiff had four sessions in total: from July -- September 2020. With each session, Watson's behavior became progressively worse. After each session, Watson would aggressively and obsessively message Plaintiff to book the next message. During the massage sessions, Watson assaulted and harassed Plaintiff starting with purposely exposing himself to her and touching her with his penis, to ultimately groping her, coercing her to perform oral sex on him, and ejaculating on her. quote:Watson told Plaintiff that his usual massage therapist was on hiatus de to COVID-19. quote:Plaintiff informed Watson that she did not yet have her massage therapy license. quote:Plaintiff now regrets not asking more questions about Watson. Plaintiff now realizes, too late, that there is no legitimate reason that Watson would need to seek massages out from SnapChat. quote:Plaintiff felt uncomfortable and confused during the session. On the one hand, she felt the behavior was bizarre, but on the other hand because he had not touched her, and allowed her to refuse some of his more bizarre requests, she concluded that Watson was accustomed to getting what he wanted, and perhaps she was being a bit too sensitive. quote:Plaintiff grew more and more uncomfortable by the end of the massage but again she thought it was just nerves on her part. She wanted to give Watson the benefit of the doubt and did not want to risk Watson giving her a bad review. quote:Watson was aware Plaintiff was a single mom and was financially struggling. Watson used such information to his advantage in an effort to manipulate her. quote:After the third session, Watson inundated Plaintiff with messages requesting another session. Plaintiff was afraid of what Watson would do to her career if she did not submit to his requests. She felt forced and trapped as Watson had a lot of clout and power as an NFL player. Watson was in control. Plaintiff reluctantly agreed to a fourth session. I won't bother quoting the details of the fourth session, you know where this is going. #20, in contrast to #21, was with a licensed professional who had years of experience, and Watson cut it short pretty abruptly and moved on. It seems clear that he knew how to feel out whether his victims were inexperienced and could be coerced.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:50
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I really hope buzzbee knows what he's doing, he seem like such a doofus and these women deserve any kind of justice they can get.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:56
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I'm wondering about these deleted Instagram messages. I know they aren't actually deleted, Instagram has records of these messages on their servers. Is it possible to compel Instagram to turn over these messages without criminal charges? Facebook, for example, won't ever turn over records.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:15
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm wondering about these deleted Instagram messages. I know they aren't actually deleted, Instagram has records of these messages on their servers. Is it possible to compel Instagram to turn over these messages without criminal charges? Facebook owns Instagram.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:19
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Instagram is owned by Facebook so that'll probably help inform. Typically account content disclosure requires a search warrant.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:23
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What I'm learning from this is that Snapchat is the superior social media app as everything gets erased over time, and you'll get notified immediately if somebody screenshots your snap.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:30
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Android Apocalypse posted:What I'm learning from this is that Snapchat is the superior social media app as everything gets erased over time, and you'll get notified immediately if somebody screenshots your snap. Nothing is ever erased. Maybe on the client side, but I'd be willing to bet Snapchat saves EVERYTHING for a certain retention period on the server side.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:42
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm wondering about these deleted Instagram messages. I know they aren't actually deleted, Instagram has records of these messages on their servers. Is it possible to compel Instagram to turn over these messages without criminal charges? Buzbee will subpoena the records, and enforcement then turns to Texas courts. How much will ultimately get turned over depends on how much the court wants to make Instagram comply.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:Buzbee will subpoena the records, I’m becoming less sure he’s gonna do much of anything.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:25
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My coworker said this is just a smear campaign by the Texans and the women just want money because there is no criminal charges.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:31
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If Watson is able to keep playing, it'll be thanks in part to Buzbee's incompetence. Good lord.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:32
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It’s gonna come out he’s told these women to not go to the cops and file criminal complaints and to instead let him handle everything because that way he’s the big star.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:37
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So the TL;DR version of Buzbee's rambling post is that there's a conflict of interest because Watson's lawyer's son is a superior at the HPD, right?
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Mar 31, 2021 17:43
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From the Watson camp today: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1377297401527033858?s=19 Not sure how well this will fly, but doesn't seem to be going over great. If anything it makes it seem extremely odd that Watson has seen 40+ professionals at this point in a span of.. 2 years? Weird how he doesn't seem to have repeat business. Just makes it seem like there's more smoke than extinguishing the fire.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:50
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This is a titanic clash of bad lawyers.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:50
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How normal is it for an athlete to see so many massage therapists? I could see maybe 2 or 3, maybe up to 6 if you struggled to find someone you like. But like 40 to 50?? And saying he was nice to half of them doesn't excuse the other half...Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is a titanic clash of bad lawyers. Only the best and brightest down here in Houston.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:54
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Harlock posted:From the Watson camp today: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1377297401527033858?s=19 Except Watson targeted women who weren't massage therapists. MO made a little more defined by that statement but of course Florio is going to run with this like it means something.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:56
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really queer Christmas posted:How normal is it for an athlete to see so many massage therapists? I could see maybe 2 or 3, maybe up to 6 if you struggled to find someone you like. But like 40 to 50?? And saying he was nice to half of them doesn't excuse the other half... It's not normal. He's deliberately seeking these women out because he gets off on it.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:59
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is a titanic clash of bad lawyers.
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Mar 31, 2021 18:13
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The ole compiling a list of women you didn’t sexually assault tactic lol
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Mar 31, 2021 18:23
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Pimpcasso posted:The ole compiling a list of women you didn’t sexually assault tactic lol "There are literally billions of women Deshaun Watson has not sexually assaulted."
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Mar 31, 2021 18:34
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FizFashizzle posted:"There are literally billions of women Deshaun Watson has not sexually assaulted." A variation of this line was recently unironically used to defend someone but I can’t remember the context.
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So that's at minimum 42 massage therapists (or would-be-therapists (or estheticians and flight attendants)) that Watson was working with. Nothing out of the ordinary here, move on.
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