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Rhyno posted:It's usually mopeds. Long standing loophole for DDs. Indiana now requires insurance to drive mopeds and scooters, something you can't get with a DD on your record. So that closed off that option. Yeah it definitely did. Don't see them like you used to. Did get a laugh one time at the liquor store. Was a bit chilly out. In walks a guy that was wearing a full blown snowmobile suit and a parka. Buys a case a beer and loads it on his moped. At least his beer will be cold when he made it home.
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cakesmith handyman posted:While I'm not advocating at all for drunks to be given bike licences that's some pretty crappy "your tears say more than real evidence ever could" level thinking considering the direction was obviously "you're more likely to just kill yourself" It's not crap at all when it's the reality. quote:about 25 fatalities spanning couple years. And thats the part that I'm taking issue with. 25 is not a valid study especially when there has been enough times motorcycles barrelling into cars and killing the car occupants posted even here to be comfortable in saying "It's a lovely bet" Yes motorbikes do tend to just kill their riders. No one is saying otherwise. However drunk bike riders have certainly taken out their fair share of innocent road users as well.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:29
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Saukkis posted:It is a pretty good bet. Some years ago a finnish car magazine did a review on bike fatalities, about 25 fatalities spanning couple years. Only one of those fatalities wasn't a rider or a passenger. That case was some old man who walked between parked cars to the road and was hit by a bike, and the pedestrian was found to be at fault. It seems it's relatively difficult to kill someone else than yourself with a bike. I stopped riding bikes as I'm on my 3rd strike of luck. In our family we say you have 2 'oh wow' crashes before the mediocre crash that ruins or kills you. My worst was highsiding off some dirt corrugation in middle of NT, flew through (through meaning my 6ft3in body went between the wires) a barbed wire fence and hit a tree. Not a scratch.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:51
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Humphreys posted:
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Mar 31, 2021 12:57
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Humphreys posted:I stopped riding bikes as I'm on my 3rd strike of luck. In our family we say you have 2 'oh wow' crashes before the mediocre crash that ruins or kills you. Yeah I had more than two of those, the last one being diverted into median with a hidden ditch in the middle of it by some old lady that looked right at me and didn't see me. That and urban sprawl Florida being the most boring and dangerous place to ride I said gently caress it, it's not worth it. I miss riding sometimes but I like living more. [e] and ask me about the time I thought a scooter would be ok and running into a giant Egret Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 13:36
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Colostomy Bag posted:Yeah it definitely did. Don't see them like you used to. Before they made that law you would frequently see a dozen or more mopeds behind Pierre's and the other bars in Canterbury. And then POOF they were all gone.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:06
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah I had more than two of those, the last one being diverted into median with a hidden ditch in the middle of it by some old lady that looked right at me and didn't see me. So it ended up in egret regret? 
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Mar 31, 2021 14:23
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Something like that  Got rid of the scooter shortly after, cager life for me from now on, only bikes I ride now have pedals
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Mar 31, 2021 15:00
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Got rid of the scooter shortly after, cager life for me from now on, only bikes I ride now have pedals Same, but mine wasn't even my own accident. I was on a particularly nasty fatal with the fire department and the two of us with bikes at that station put them up for sale the next day. Haven't ridden since.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:06
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Rhyno posted:Before they made that law you would frequently see a dozen or more mopeds behind Pierre's and the other bars in Canterbury. And then POOF they were all gone. My understanding is most states have closed the <50CC moped DUI loophole, I remember the local drunks in CT switching to bicycles. Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah I had more than two of those, the last one being diverted into median with a hidden ditch in the middle of it by some old lady that looked right at me and didn't see me. I love riding, but I'd probably give it up if I lived in Florida too. This you? 
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Mar 31, 2021 15:43
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Humphreys posted:My worst was highsiding off some dirt corrugation in middle of NT, flew through (through meaning my 6ft3in body went between the wires) a barbed wire fence and hit a tree. Not a scratch. That's quite a tale! I'm glad you weren't mangled by that one.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:56
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Elviscat posted:This you? Yeah that's me after. I was riding down the road full speed (35-40) and the dumb thing was standing in the turning lane looking at me, then decided to fly right in front of me with perfect timing. It was a huge bird. I remember thinking I was gonna get impaled by it's loving spear of a beak, but then after the huge THUD, I thankfully felt the soft caress of it's feathers hitting me in the face through the helmet opening instead of a spear going through my chest. I completely lost control with both hands off the bars at one point, made a hard right and nailed the curb and somehow that impact bounced me back on the scooter upright, I grabbed the bars and was going straight down the road again. I was 100% sure I was eating poo poo and just completely lucked out. I pulled over for a bit to calm down and the Egret was laying against the curb trying to get up but it was all hosed up. I yelled YOU STUPID loving BIRD and went on my way to work I don't know if it lived or not
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Mar 31, 2021 16:04
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I haven't ridden in about ten years, but I really want a moped. Too bad ever road around me is 40+ mph and unsuitable for one. I've been passed by people riding gas powered bicycles on the path that seem fun, but I wouldn't feel right taking something with an engine on there. Plus, I cycle for the exercise, so...
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Mar 31, 2021 16:37
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Elviscat posted:My understanding is most states have closed the <50CC moped DUI loophole, I remember the local drunks in CT switching to bicycles. Indiana was an outlier for way too long. I remember the scooterbois losing their poo poo over it. But now they ride electric scooters around which is another loophole.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:48
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Elviscat posted:My understanding is most states have closed the <50CC moped DUI loophole, I remember the local drunks in CT switching to bicycles. I remember being taught about DUI stuff in health class. And the teacher adding that his son got a DUI on a bicycle.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:55
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Yeah you can definitely get a DUI on a bicycle around here I've seen it happen on the beach
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Mar 31, 2021 16:58
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I had a regular who jumped in the back of his truck to sleep it off and got charged with a DUI because he had his keys in his pocket and was IN the vehicle.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:01
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:It's not crap at all when it's the reality. Lol please post even a single example of a motorcycle crashing into a car and killing the car occupant. I mean don't, nobody wants to see faces of death poo poo, but like lol @ the idea that someone riding a 250 lb DUIcycle at 35 mph is going to cause anything other than a dent when they t-bone your average modern suburban assault vehicle. Physics doesn't work that way.
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Mar 31, 2021 17:21
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Sagebrush posted:Lol please post even a single example of a motorcycle crashing into a car and killing the car occupant. I think road users here is cyclists and pedestrians.
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Sagebrush posted:Lol please post even a single example of a motorcycle crashing into a car and killing the car occupant. You know what else doesn't work that way? Accidents. You are aware that the non-drunk person in the "suburban assault vehicle" side of these situations have made poor decisions in trying to avoid the accident. Poor decisions like going into the oncoming traffic lane or into a ditch.
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Sagebrush posted:Lol please post even a single example of a motorcycle crashing into a car and killing the car occupant. https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/01/24/deadly-motorcycle-accident-downtown/ Biker injured, car passenger dead https://www.jacksonville.com/news/florida/2016-08-24/story/motorcyclist-car-passenger-killed-volusia-county-crash Biker and car passenger both dead https://www.yukon-news.com/news/motorcyclist-car-passenger-dead-after-crash-on-alaska-highway-near-blue-bridge/ Another one where the biker died but also killed a car passenger Yeah, it’s relatively rare and way outnumbered by bikers just killing themselves or their riders, but it happens
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Rhyno posted:I had a regular who jumped in the back of his truck to sleep it off and got charged with a DUI because he had his keys in his pocket and was IN the vehicle. Does anyone know if these get turned over in court by any chance? I think the judge might give some leeway to someone that chose not to drive drunk but I've never heard the outcome of these sleeping it off DUI stories.
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Mar 31, 2021 18:21
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I knew one guy that had his bicycle DUI dropped but he had a good lawyer
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shy boy from chess club posted:Does anyone know if these get turned over in court by any chance? I think the judge might give some leeway to someone that chose not to drive drunk but I've never heard the outcome of these sleeping it off DUI stories. I don't know. Cops will usually lie and claim they found the dude behind the wheel.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I knew one guy that had his bicycle DUI dropped but he had a good lawyer If you're arrested for a DUI, you find the best lawyer you can afford and you go one step higher. You don't go "Eh, I'll just use Bob Loblaw." Rhyno posted:I don't know. Cops will usually lie and claim they found the dude behind the wheel. Phone GPS records can easily disprove that nowadays. But they don't need to because IIRC, you can still be charged with intent to drive drunk in most states (IANAL). KillHour fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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KillHour posted:If you're arrested for a DUI, you find the best lawyer you can afford and you go one step higher. Pretty much, and if you can't afford one congrats, you just got a DUI on your lovely mountain bike thinking you were doing the right thing by not driving
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Pretty much, and if you can't afford one congrats, you just got a DUI on your lovely mountain bike thinking you were doing the right thing by not driving I would no-poo poo take out a scam payday loan to get a lawyer. I'd rather go bankrupt than deal with a DUI on my record. Double Edit: Nope I'm wrong because I read the news article instead of looking at the law itself. Never mind. KillHour fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 18:37
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Ror posted:https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/01/24/deadly-motorcycle-accident-downtown/ lol all three of those accidents were caused by the car. in the last one the motorcycle just happened to be there when the two cars hit each other and one ran over the bike. gg anyway okay yes on rare occasions there are crashes involving a motorcycle where someone other than the rider is injured or killed. the point remains that some people are going to keep on driving even when they're drunk, even when they're on a suspended license, no matter how many times they get arrested for it, so providing them with the opportunity to pseudo-legally ride a stupid slow electric motorcycle instead of getting in a car while they're drunk is a harm reduction strategy. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 18:39
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KillHour posted:If you're arrested for a DUI, you find the best lawyer you can afford and you go one step higher. You don't go "Eh, I'll just use Bob Loblaw." True but GPS isn't going to be able to prove if you were in the can or in the bed.
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Rhyno posted:True but GPS isn't going to be able to prove if you were in the can or in the bed. Depends what they say. If they say they pulled you over, you could disprove that. If they said they saw you shifting it into gear, I guess you probably couldn't unless they had dash or body cam footage. More reasons to make body cams mandatory for all police-public interactions I guess.
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Oh yeah for sure. But in the case of the guy I know he was passed out in the bed. You can get a dui for being passed out drunk behind the wheel.
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Mar 31, 2021 18:50
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KillHour posted:Now I'm wondering about the rules for drinking in an RV Your honor I was drinking in my living room when the officer, without a search warrant, barged right in.
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KillHour posted:Now I'm wondering about the rules for drinking in an RV Living or camping? Living in? long dick of the law. Camping? mileage may vary based on skin tone. re: motos: lol two out of three of those listed incidents are in Florida, the armpit of driving/riding on the North American continent.
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I've heard of various strategies for legally sleeping it off in your car, including getting in the back seat, leaving the keys at the bar to pick up the next morning, locking the keys in the trunk, or throwing the keys into the bushes. I suspect how well any of these work depends 110% on the color of your skin.
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My strategy would be ' I don't know where the keys are, no you don't have permission to search my car'. But I'm a honky. Guy I kinda knew from highschool got off because he did a burnout in a parking lot, blew the clutch doing another one and then his lawyer was all ' car was undrivable therefore NOT DRIVING drunk'. In spite of the fact that he was sitting in the car gunning the engine when the cops showed up.
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It's important to recognize that people who have DUIs have a strong incentive to tell a story that doesn't involve them doing something incredibly stupid and irresponsible.
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Sagebrush posted:I've heard of various strategies for legally sleeping it off in your car, including getting in the back seat, leaving the keys at the bar to pick up the next morning, locking the keys in the trunk, or throwing the keys into the bushes. The problem is remembering to do any of those when you're shitfaced. When I did security I've found people in the parking lot, in their car behind the wheel passed out. With the car running. More than once. The best story is with one of those instances, I called a cab to take her home and about an hour later the cab driver comes back yelling at me that owe him money to clean the cab because she puked all over it.
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Rhyno posted:I had a regular who jumped in the back of his truck to sleep it off and got charged with a DUI because he had his keys in his pocket and was IN the vehicle. Yeah, you gotta put the keys somewhere else if you have to sleep it off. Hide them up inside a wheel well if you're in a pickup, throw them in the trunk if you're in a car. There's been instances of DUIs/DWIs being handed out in TX for riding a horse, bicycle, etc, but the law in TX states motorized vehicle. Any lawyer worth their BAR license should be able to argue it down to public intox. quote:Texas law clearly defines DWI incidents as involving motorized vehicles, which may include cars, trucks, motorcycles, motor boats and aircrafts. However, there are other means of transportation that do not involve motors, such as: randomidiot fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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The only times this kind of thing was on my radar I used to hang the keys on a bolt deep in the engine bay and sleep in the passenger seat or back. It never came up but I always figured I'd tell the cops I had a designated driver but he got drunk too and must have taken a taxi home while I was sleeping it off, then call my best friend to "come back". I just don't drink to excess anymore, it's rare that I even finish a beer these days.
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