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Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry
Oh man, this reminds me of the guy I was trying to get closer with in undergrad. He was writing a vampire book with an obvious self-insert as the gothic protagonist. I think he had black wings.

Anyway, godspeed. :zpatriot:

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


"Women will sleep with you if you write a book?"

"Women will sleep with you if you write a bad book."

BattyKiara
Mar 17, 2009

HopperUK posted:

China Mieville is hot to a degree that startled me the first time I saw a pic of him. However even if I could, I would not sleep with him, because apparently he's a bastard.

I think I could date someone who wrote awful fiction so long as they didn't require me to lie to them about it.

What did China Mieville do to make him a bad person? Can't remember much about him?

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

BattyKiara posted:

What did China Mieville do to make him a bad person? Can't remember much about him?

http://bidisha-online.blogspot.com/2012/12/emotional-violence-and-social-power.html

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


This topic of relationships and terrible writing reminds me of a relationship I was in back in undergrad. She wanted to show me her book, and I was curiously excited, so we both sat down in the library together so I could read it. It was about a young woman whose parents were divorced and she wasn't happy with how they were nervous about her going to college and meeting boys. There was a section dedicated to her talking about how she just needed to live her life, mom, and I kinda figured it was her way of working through some feelings?
Anyway, the protagonist got to college, and then she sees the man of her dreams. Specifically, the elf-lord of her dreams. The specific sentence introducing said elf-lord, which I will remember until the day I die, was "I saw the Elf-Lord's glistening six-pack in the doorway."

I don't remember anything about what she wrote beyond that. I'm thinking about reaching out to her and asking about it.

Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry
That's definitely a sentence that makes the reader ask questions. Questions like:
1. Where's the rest of the elf-lord
2. Why is he in college
3. Why is he oily

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009
4. Why is he shirtless

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Elf oil is a natural byproduct of the elf's glossy coat and it is actually quite unfortunate that they are often subject to poaching as a result as the substance is highly sought by boutique shampoo companies.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Spermando posted:

4. Why is he shirtless

4a. Is he shirtless or just carrying shiny booze?

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

That article is all about Western Ellis, not China Mieville.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

nonathlon posted:

That article is all about Western Ellis, not China Mieville.

No, that article mentions an article about Ellis but is about Mieville.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

nonathlon posted:

That article is all about Western Ellis, not China Mieville.


that article posted:

I first read the women's account when I was approached by several of Ellis's victims as well as journalists covering the story, asking if he was the same individual as the one I'd written about. He isn't, although their strategies are the same and their worlds overlap somewhat. I am also writing in the wake of revelations about...

No, it isn't. The update references the Ellis accusations, but the original article is about someone who made very serious and credible legal threats in order to get his name removed from it and other discussions of his abuse.

And that's China Mieville.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

A true socialist crusader beloved by our forums, who hires expensive lawyers (or his own expensive legal education?) to shut up abuse victims :ussr:

gently caress Mieville puissantly

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Beloved by the forums?this is the first I’ve ever heard him brought up

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I only know him as the sex creep guy, personally.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I've heard Mieville's name dropped by the sort of people whose political alignment is basically "Pretentious Left", and I know he wrote a book about the Bolshevik revolution that I will never bother to read.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
He was all over the forums from like 2012-2016 or so.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Long time to hold a grudge

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Grudges only get better the longer you hold onto them.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Sorry, for the politix

I remember him being pretty well liked because he wrote good books (with a strong political bent) but came across as a down to earth tough guy rather than a nerdy keyboard warrior.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I've heard Mieville's name dropped by the sort of people whose political alignment is basically "Pretentious Left", and I know he wrote a book about the Bolshevik revolution that I will never bother to read.

Edit:never mind, don't want to give him even a little praise. gently caress that dude

Ambitious Spider has a new favorite as of 00:03 on Apr 2, 2021

Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry
I'd like to know more about the elf-lord.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Sisal Two-Step posted:

3. Why is he oily

Spelling error. Supposed to be elf lard.

Xlorp
Jan 23, 2008


The Lone Badger posted:

Spelling error. Supposed to be elf lard.

So Gimli basically thinks elves smell like bacon. Mmmm, bacon. The way to that dwarf's heart is through his stomach.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
The Seinfeld vore episode through a fantasy lens.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Carnival of Shrews posted:

This is a question for the ages. Which would I rather be told by someone I myself fancied:

"Your blog is jejune, and your novel a worryingly earnest self-insert into a blancmange of tedium, but your body is :discourse:."

or
"Your writing is :discourse: but frankly you have all the sex appeal of a weekend in a Swindon Travelodge."

Depends on which one comes from Frasier and which from Niles

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Strategic Tea posted:

Sorry, for the politix

I remember him being pretty well liked because he wrote good books (with a strong political bent) but came across as a down to earth tough guy rather than a nerdy keyboard warrior.
yeah his books are good in a wordy way but it turns out he's a fuckin awful human being so, as seems to be far too typical in 2021, gently caress him gently caress his poo poo not gonna recommend

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

HopperUK posted:

China Mieville is hot to a degree that startled me the first time I saw a pic of him. However even if I could, I would not sleep with him, because apparently he's a bastard.

I think I could date someone who wrote awful fiction so long as they didn't require me to lie to them about it.

Multiple people have told me that Kevin J. Anderson is the nicest guy ever and absolutely the quality of person you want being at a con. Just as long as you don't have to actually read his books.

Cobalt-60
Oct 11, 2016

by Azathoth
Kevin J. Anderson is a master of generic-ness. He sits down, outputs 400+ pages of interesting yet unmemorable work, and gets paid. No difficult plots, no weird characters, nothing that might make an author struggle. I read one of his books, and it kept me going to the end, but after I'd finished it, I couldn't recall anything about the plot or characters.

So of course, he wound up "helping" with the expanded/rebooted/extorted Dune Universe, a series which is primarily KNOWN for strange characters and places. But somehow, the Dune prequels sold well despite EVERYONE hating them, so something he does works.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Cobalt-60 posted:

Kevin J. Anderson is a master of generic-ness. He sits down, outputs 400+ pages of interesting yet unmemorable work, and gets paid. No difficult plots, no weird characters, nothing that might make an author struggle. I read one of his books, and it kept me going to the end, but after I'd finished it, I couldn't recall anything about the plot or characters.

So of course, he wound up "helping" with the expanded/rebooted/extorted Dune Universe, a series which is primarily KNOWN for strange characters and places. But somehow, the Dune prequels sold well despite EVERYONE hating them, so something he does works.

They were easy reads and he can set up a plot hook that’s juuuust interesting enough that it’s like “I hated that book but I may as well see where it goes”. They’re fluff so even if they’re long you can power through them quick.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy
I remember enjoying his X-files novels when I was a kid.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
You see a lot of talented authors with a movie novelization, authorised sequels or even video game tie-ins on their resume. I get it - it's easy money and you don't have to bring your A game. The book sucks, no one blames you

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I think I read the book of Alien 3 and there's a reasonable chance that was better than the film.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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I'm pretty sure I've read the novelization for each Star Trek movie and both Ghostbusters movies, and they honestly lent a lot of clarity to their associated films and settings. For instance, I learned that Data is meant to be gold, and now his makeup looks lovely instead of bad.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I never got around to watching Star Wars Episode I and had the novelisation instead, which I'm pretty sure is the vastly better experience.

Movie novelisations can get weird, since they're generally released as tie-ins to the movie and may be based on earlier scripts incorporating deleted scenes, exposition and things that were changed before the theatrical release.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I paid actual money for the novelisation of Re-Animator and it's actually very good? I mean, for a novelisation.

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

One of my favorite contemporary authors, Catherynne Valente, did a Mass Effect Andromeda tie-in novel that was pretty good, for a Mass Effect book, but it also served to highlight just how boring Mass Effect was. She's done another book recently, Space Opera, and while that's also not her best work (it's a pretty light Eurovision/Douglas Adams pastiche) it managed to paint a way more interesting sci-fi world than Mass Effect's bland cover-shooter militarism.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

The back to the future novelization is insane and north's takedown of it is great

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Tunicate posted:

The back to the future novelization is insane and north's takedown of it is great

I ordered this book when I was 13 back when you had to go to actual bookstores and place an order and they imported it from the US for me. At GREAT COST (for baby me).

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


HopperUK posted:

I paid actual money for the novelisation of Re-Animator and it's actually very good? I mean, for a novelisation.

A funny novelisation thing is how Max Alan Collins wrote the comic book Road to Perdition, which turned into a movie. Collins then wrote the novelisation of the movie. So he did an adaptation of an adaptation of his own work.

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