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CainFortea posted:Did they copy oracles api for their own software or did they just use the api oracle published for accessing oracles software? They took the publicly available java API for use with their own bespoke java implementation. Google did not want to re-write the API because then android would no longer be compatible with java code. A response that made me chuckle: https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1379136317423022080
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CainFortea posted:Did they copy oracles api for their own software or did they just use the api oracle published for accessing oracles software? The software in this case is Java. They created a new implementation of Java that met the spec for Java without licensing it.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:36
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Mr. Nice! posted:Most of the things you mention are situations where the owners of the API have freely given access to it. Java's API wasn't given away freely unless you comply with certain licensing rules. Google was unable to negotiate something and instead said "we're just gonna take it and see you in court." That set of circumstances rubs me the wrong way. I know all about Larry as a patent/copyright troll, and I don't think that Oracle's argument is right either to the full extent they were asking for protection. I think the issue we have is trying to stretch copyright law to protect something that it was not meant to protect. quote:We really need something new to regulate this field.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:41
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This sounds very similar to IBM compatibles and reverse engineering the BIOS to make them possible.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:42
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"gently caress Oracle" is always the right decision, the question is irrelevant.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:45
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shame on an IGA posted:"gently caress Oracle" is always the right decision, the question is irrelevant. Having built and shipped applications for Oracle, I'll just say that you shouldn't trust them to have your interests at heart or be a good partner. They are a cash extracting machine and they'll set things up in a way to put you over a barrel if you aren't extremely detail oriented. The lawsuit was of a piece of the other stuff they had us do to maximize legal leverage to optimize for cash extraction.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:51
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The QAnon Anonymous podcast, Behind the Bastards when they’ve had Frederick Brennan on, and Popular Front’s QAnon series have all tipped right up to the edge of saying this and heavily, heavily implied this to the listener. Because it's been the most plausible theory but there's been no way to prove it so far, short of a confession from one of the principals. This interview is the closest we've seen to that happen so far.
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Apr 5, 2021 20:55
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piL posted:There is no good car analogy. Maybe a gun analogy?
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Apr 5, 2021 21:00
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shame on an IGA posted:"gently caress Oracle" is always the right decision, the question is irrelevant. Agreed. gently caress google is always the right decision, too, though. wins32767 posted:Epic to charge 100k to anyone who wants to integrate with their EMR. That's a different situation. This is like if a competitor completely rewrote epic's EMR (or at least the functionality they wanted) and then used Epic's established API so that people could port to the non-Epic AMR without having to change any code or applications that use the API. There's more here than just using an API, and I think it trivializes google's bad conduct to boil it down to that. wins32767 posted:On that we both agree! Yeah. I will admit that I am a little irritated by google's brazen actions and that is clouding my view of things.
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Apr 5, 2021 21:00
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Godholio posted:Maybe a gun analogy? Bike riding dog with a constitutional carry and ACAB shaved into its fur is more apt.
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Apr 5, 2021 21:17
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Mr. Nice! posted:That's a different situation. This is like if a competitor completely rewrote epic's EMR (or at least the functionality they wanted) and then used Epic's established API so that people could port to the non-Epic AMR without having to change any code or applications that use the API. (I'm also 100% onboard with someone doing that to Epic, or even my own company's software. If you can use our API definition and build better software than us then we deserve to get beat.)
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Apr 5, 2021 21:18
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OpenJDK has had a Java runtime environment included in Linux distros since the early 2000s. Oracle hasn’t gotten a dime from that either.
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Apr 5, 2021 21:24
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Hekk posted:OpenJDK has had a Java runtime environment included in Linux distros since the early 2000s. Oracle hasn’t gotten a dime from that either. I think the distinction is that OpenJDK has a blessed by Oracle license.
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Apr 5, 2021 21:27
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shame on an IGA posted:"gently caress Oracle" is always the right decision, the question is irrelevant. This should never be in question.
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Apr 5, 2021 22:00
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wins32767 posted:I think the distinction is that OpenJDK has a blessed by Oracle license. Yup. wins32767 posted:But isn't it the same legally? As soon as you say no fair use on APIs, then the copyright owner can charge whatever they want for use on whatever terms they want, right? Even if you go with mandatory licensing, the costs can still be excessive. Not necessarily. Compulsory licensing in music is not so prohibitively expensive that it makes it so music cannot be used. Instead music gets used in quite a lot of ways the creator never wanted or intended, but they have no choice so long as the end-user pays ASCAP (or whichever rights company) the correct fee. Saying 'no fair use' on APIs doesn't immediately mean that no API is useable without express consent from the owner if it's coupled with some sort of statutory/regulatory framework for the use. Such framework does not exist at the moment, which is why the outcome the court reached today is the right one based upon the extant legal even if I think it's not completely correct. wins32767 posted:(I'm also 100% onboard with someone doing that to Epic, or even my own company's software. If you can use our API definition and build better software than us then we deserve to get beat.) Looking at things from a pure capitalist perspective, I agree entirely. I don't think anyone prior to this ruling would ever try, though. This ruling makes such a thing very possible.
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Apr 5, 2021 22:16
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wins32767 posted:Having built and shipped applications for Oracle, I'll just say that you shouldn't trust them to have your interests at heart or be a good partner. They are a cash extracting machine and they'll set things up in a way to put you over a barrel if you aren't extremely detail oriented. The lawsuit was of a piece of the other stuff they had us do to maximize legal leverage to optimize for cash extraction. Oracle took Sun, a company who basically worked hand in hand with Open Source, and gutted it to turn it into a revenue generator. gently caress them. Google sucks, but I'll take Google over Oracle anyday. I hope this ruling turns around and fucks Casio as well.
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Apr 5, 2021 22:56
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CommieGIR posted:Oracle took Sun, a company who basically worked hand in hand with Open Source, and gutted it to turn it into a revenue generator. gently caress them. Google sucks, but I'll take Google over Oracle anyday. Yeah, I have some stories. Larry Ellison is a Bond villain.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:00
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wins32767 posted:Yeah, I have some stories. Larry Ellison is a Bond villain. Don't forget them basically piecemealing Oracle SQL's features so they could charge me, including basically limping the damned performance unless you paid for specific features.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:05
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Hi, this is oracle licensing calling. We've noticed that your processor has 64 cores and you're only licensed for 4.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:11
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1379180163712311298
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Apr 5, 2021 23:27
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As someone who has to use an Oracle product to do their time sheet, let me just state that I support Oracle getting hosed hard by regulators, courts and the market. Google can be next.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:27
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Looks like McConnell isn't the only one that can conjure up bullshit based on arcane, stupid rules. https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1379198313371684866 Expectation was that the COVID bill ate up one reconciliation bite, then the second bite would be infrastructure. Now there's going to be a third bite, because reasons. The Senate is stupid.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:28
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I thought we knew Bannon and Co were the online disinformation dept for Trump. Also wasn't there a video where someone hosed up by entering the password for Q's trips or whatever a couple years back? Like anyone can reverse the trips but it's loving ridiculous people think it's real.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:37
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pantslesswithwolves posted:As someone who has to use an Oracle product to do their time sheet, let me just state that I support Oracle getting hosed hard by regulators, courts and the market. Yes. A thousand times yes. Their timesheet is total garbage. I don’t understand how/why there are so many garbage timesheet programs. It shouldn’t be that hard.
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Apr 5, 2021 23:39
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In "Georgia GOP will burn this state to the ground" news.Forbes posted:A group of Georgia lawmakers are demanding that Coca-Cola products be removed from their office suite after the company’s CEO panned Georgia’s new voting law, the latest boycott called by Republicans to retaliate against companies they claim are contributing to an “out of control cancel culture.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...sh=7f519e2d31b3 and in what the gently caress news relating to that Forbes posted:Voting rights activist Stacey Abrams last week asked businesses not to boycott Georgia over the new law, writing in an op-ed for USA Today that boycotts could hurt the same working-class people who will be most disenfranchised by the new voting restrictions. “[Leaving] us behind won’t save us,” Abrams wrote. “So I ask you to bring your business to Georgia and, if you’re already here, stay and fight. Stay and vote.” I don't get this thought pattern. You could make the case that boycotting, I dunno, amazon for screwing with unions already hurts the people amazon are already hurting by getting people laid off? Why would the GOP flip sides on the issue if "They gently caress around" and "don't find out" because voting them out isn't going to work if they keep messing with voting. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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Apr 5, 2021 23:41
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ASAPI posted:I don’t understand how/why there are so many garbage timesheet programs. It shouldn’t be that hard. The people buying the product are very well-insulated from the people who will use the product, and the people selling the product know that.
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Apr 6, 2021 00:16
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Best Friends posted:The people buying the product are very well-insulated from the people who will use the product, and the people selling the product know that. Sounds like another version of management_vs_labor.docx Meanwhile this is awesome https://twitter.com/notmynypd/status/1379202403027804162?s=20
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Apr 6, 2021 00:33
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ASAPI posted:Yes. A thousand times yes. Their timesheet is total garbage. at a guess the interface that the HR people use is super nice, and you don't have to sell it to the schmucks who punch a clock
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Apr 6, 2021 00:40
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Sounds like another version of management_vs_labor.docx That’s dumb...should be a picture of Sherman.
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Apr 6, 2021 01:03
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I will pay to use that toilet.
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Apr 6, 2021 01:10
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bulletsponge13 posted:I will pay to use that toilet.
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Apr 6, 2021 01:19
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pantslesswithwolves posted:As someone who has to use an Oracle product to do their time sheet, let me just state that I support Oracle getting hosed hard by regulators, courts and the market. I'm pretty sure it could come out that Google's predictive algorithms are powered by the hearts, brains, and souls of third-world orphans like Doctor Venture's "Joy Can" and people would collectively shrug because NOT having said algorithms would moderately inconvenience them. Wasabi the J posted:I thought we knew Bannon and Co were the online disinformation dept for Trump. Also wasn't there a video where someone hosed up by entering the password for Q's trips or whatever a couple years back? Giving Bannon a seat on the NSC was probably the worst loving self-own security breach of all time. I envisioned him sitting in archives gobbling up dossiers like DeVito's Penguin looking up first-borns to kidnap in Batman Returns. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Apr 6, 2021 01:41
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bulletsponge13 posted:I will pay to use that toilet.
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Apr 6, 2021 02:05
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MazelTovCocktail posted:That’s dumb...should be a picture of Sherman. A lot of antifascist and indigenous groups don't like Sherman for the whole Indian Wars and expanding American empire thing.
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Apr 6, 2021 02:20
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I also just wanted to say gently caress Oracle and recall that the software with a convoluted and confusing workflow that resulted in Citibank inadvertently sending $500 million out to Revlon creditors was another Oracle gem, "Flexcube."
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Apr 6, 2021 02:24
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RFC2324 posted:at a guess the interface that the HR people use is super nice, and you don't have to sell it to the schmucks who punch a clock poo poo sucks even on the backend https://www.oracle.com/applications/peoplesoft/
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Apr 6, 2021 02:31
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And guess what the Army’s new integrated pay and personnel system is built on? Peeeeoplesoffft...
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Apr 6, 2021 03:23
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Best Friends posted:A thing about Putin that doesn't get reported much in the West (cause it's inconvenient) is that Putin is actually genuinely popular. Yes he rigs it all anyway but that matters more for the regional elections, in a free and fair system he'd still be president as long as he wanted, FDR style. The Yelstin years were an absolute nightmare and that's the only credible alternate path to Putin people see available. Which relates to another thing you don't see mentioned in the mainstream US media much: Navalny is extremely unpopular. People there have seen what happens when a pro-west pro-market reformer popular with the NATO nations gets in charge. /was/ popular. you can only ride the post-90s economic recovery goodwill for so long, and growth has been stagnant for a while now. nowadays memories of the yeltsin era are fading, and putin's continued endurance is more inertia than enthusiasm. putin has managed to successfully stymie the formation of effective organized opposition, but that just means there isn't a viable alternative to his continued rule. navalny is far from unpopular--if he were, there'd be no reason for the state to so actively oppose him. he doesn't have a flying gently caress's chance of gaining power, but he has quite effectively seized on the populace's discontent with those who are in power, even if that discontent isn't going to result in regime change.
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Best Friends posted:
I'd like to read up on this, do you have a recommended source/cite where I could start?
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Putey-pute's appeal is like that of the czar: "Strong man lead mother Russia. Make strong! Care for people, unlike evil local elites. If only Putin knew, he would put stop to corruption and abuse." Fortunately for him, he's not a Nicholas II and is actually hyper-focused on retaining power. Unfortunately for everyone else, ensuring a smooth transition of power would be detrimental to that goal and even improving quality of life or the economy is tangential, at best.
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