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Kunster posted:Not when some of the worst impulses were around and spread before Tumblr became big: You could easily argue the same thing for Cracked when they were big as well, perhaps somewhat more noteworthy as a bunch of alumni from there became Rose Emoji twitter figures while they spent years defending pretty much most modern US military interventions there and David Wong would write Proto Hillybilly Elegy poo poo that would get spread far more on other networks. It's weird seeing like people still peddling the (probably fake) cookie with a needle story when Cracked used to have pieces straight up defending the Mujahadeen and would have a revolving door of South American expats to advocate having the US invade their country to save from communism. I remember one article that for since reason was about War Crimes committed by the North Vietnamese, for some reason. David Wong had a bunch of lovely right wing articles (I knew a guy who loved David Wong because he thought he was Asian and was extremely disappointed when he found out that was the pen name of some white guy from the midwest)
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Toph Bei Fong posted:This is a problem with Tumblr that Dale Beran identified in It Came From Something Awful. I'm an Oregon Trail Millennial, and I suppose we were the first cohort to develop our worldviews as adults in large part by reading stuff online and browsing social media. To me the "Tumblr crowd" describes a lot of young, vaguely left-liberal people from the dying days of LiveJournal to Twitter consuming everything, with a lot of blogs and weird little echo chamber communities like Shakesville along the way. So I don't know how much Tumblr actually affected broader culture and politics, but for me it exemplifies all these pathologies that people who grew up with the Internet have, where developing your personal identity and developing your ethical worldview get all mixed up. A slogan like "My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit" or memes like "spoons" could originate from a blog and then bounce around larger networks in the way Beran describes. It ties into what I was saying to ghostpinballa earlier, about how the American Left is confused about its purpose. There's creating a safe space for people to be themselves and socialize with like-minded people, and creating a mass political movement that can achieve fundamental change. These are both worth doing but they're very different things that are often directly at odds. Farm Frenzy posted:I refuse to believe that there isnt a gigantic group of people on tumblr who think that black mirror episode is actually incredibly problematic for those and much more spurious reasons
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Halloween Jack posted:It ties into what I was saying to ghostpinballa earlier, about how the American Left is confused about its purpose. There's creating a safe space for people to be themselves and socialize with like-minded people, and creating a mass political movement that can achieve fundamental change. These are both worth doing but they're very different things that are often directly at odds. it's a shame because they do not need to be at any sort of odds, it's the fact that a lot of poisonous discourse has entered in through places like Tumblr over the years and has made it difficult to reconcile people who want to fight for the future with people that are deathly afraid of it
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KomradeX posted:David Wong had a bunch of lovely right wing articles (I knew a guy who loved David Wong because he thought he was Asian and was extremely disappointed when he found out that was the pen name of some white guy from the midwest) bizarro virgil texas
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There was One where they get an ex vietcong guy to go on how that in the end they did benefit from the communist regime but that's like a blip to the nearly weekly "Did you know that the Vietnam was good?" articles. I mean this came from a 2015 article. If this appeared on TNR or Reason magazine in like 2019 or so the Chapos would have torn this guy a new one:quote:Voting Based On Economics The writer for this now posts Rose Emoji stuff on twitter! Hell, you know how Robert Evans started his writing work and got his experience as a cool guy? Cracked! Scroll down and you get this nudget: quote:"Even though he knew I was looking for his former boss (he had worked with bin Laden in the '80s), he was happy to host me to explain that the Americans were bombing innocent civilians. So his self-interest won out." Kunster has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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I am not sure that most people are not just a mash-up of various influences; that Tumblr youth draw more from cartoons and video games than some peasant of yore getting their personality from their father, teacher and priest does not strike me as an outright tragedy, even if their openness about it is kind of cringe.
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Victory Position posted:it's a shame because they do not need to be at any sort of odds, it's the fact that a lot of poisonous discourse has entered in through places like Tumblr over the years and has made it difficult to reconcile people who want to fight for the future with people that are deathly afraid of it To give a concrete example, I keep thinking of an anecdote from Amber a Lee Frost. She was talking to a woman trying to organize her workplace, who asked her "But what if a Pepe wants to join my union?!" And Frost replied "That means you won." Like, that's okay. You're not inviting him over to your house to hang out with your friends, you just need his vote and his muscle. We have this confusion in the DSA all the time, where we can't figure out if we want a million members, or for all of our members to have the correct positions on every issue and to be able to express those positions using only the most correct, up-to-date grad school jargon.
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Halloween Jack posted:It ties into what I was saying to ghostpinballa earlier, about how the American Left is confused about its purpose. There's creating a safe space for people to be themselves and socialize with like-minded people, and creating a mass political movement that can achieve fundamental change. These are both worth doing but they're very different things that are often directly at odds. I don't understand what your point is if your saying that people from tumblr are a ablatross on the movement and we should push them out but then turning around saying we need to broaden our tolerance for people different from us but that share some of the same political goals. At the end of the day most tumblr people even if they are annoying and cringe aren't huge fans of capitalism, mostly due to the fact a lot of younger people use it! Idk it's just weird to me when I see this narrative that "We must unite! but not with those people they gross me out!" except in this case instead of complaining about chuds it's complaining about sjws with colored hair
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And that anecdote would probably hold more water if she didn't spark the "PMC" debate, which is far more weirdly arbitrary than whenever or not you like Peepo or not, and ended up being far more of a cultural signifier battle than the Pepe stuff.
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Halloween Jack posted:We have this confusion in the DSA all the time, where we can't figure out if we want a million members, or for all of our members to have the correct positions on every issue and to be able to express those positions using only the most correct, up-to-date grad school jargon. it's what bothers me with stuff like small commune anarchy, because it feels like everyone's so given up on a vision for the future that the best things people can imagine are "I'm safe in a community and I'm not going to be turned out because of my job or my disability falling under" I wouldn't call it a malaise, as that would imply people being churlish with their ambition, but I would say there's like a spiritual void that people want to be filled... something like that. it's hard to describe.
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I don't have anything against small communes because they are actually creating a sustainable living situation and learning how to live with other people, which is way more work than being a blog tyrant. But I understand what you mean; my ex-roommate had lived in communes before and was rejected from one nearby. He described it as a gated community--if you're mentally ill, they don't want you, if you've been to prison, they don't want you, and so on. He still defended the community that had rejected him, though, and we had some debates about whether a commune can be a model community, or at least have the right to call itself an ethical one, if they're free to exclude anyone who doesn't fit in or can't pull their own weight.Lady Militant posted:I don't understand what your point is if your saying that people from tumblr are a ablatross on the movement and we should push them out but then turning around saying we need to broaden our tolerance for people different from us but that share some of the same political goals. Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 19:24 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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KomradeX posted:I knew a guy who loved David Wong because he thought he was Asian and was extremely disappointed when he found out that was the pen name of some white guy from the midwest lol
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I don't quite get the point of the DSA. They aren't a political party, they just endorse Democrats who immediately have to make all the compromises that are part of being a Democrat.
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Halloween Jack posted:He described it as a gated community--if you're mentally ill, they don't want you, if you've been to prison, they don't want you, and so on. He still defended the community that had rejected him, though, and we had some debates about whether a commune can be a model community, or at least have the right to call itself an ethical one, if they're free to exclude anyone who doesn't fit in or can't pull their own weight. you start getting into very uncomfortable territory when you're discussing using the dialectical to start really crunching the numbers, but it's at least one you can show your homework with, since if you are working autonomously, you have to be best and sure that everyone can provide and get what they need
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Gripweed posted:I don't quite get the point of the DSA. They aren't a political party, they just endorse Democrats who immediately have to make all the compromises that are part of being a Democrat.
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Gripweed posted:I don't quite get the point of the DSA. They aren't a political party, they just endorse Democrats who immediately have to make all the compromises that are part of being a Democrat. It is a cool place where the temporarily embarrassed middle class city millenials can gather and show they are active but in a detached ironic way.
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Gripweed posted:I don't quite get the point of the DSA. They aren't a political party, they just endorse Democrats who immediately have to make all the compromises that are part of being a Democrat. It's the bottom rung on the career ladder that leads to academia, NGOs, or other parts of the Democratic party apparatus.
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Centrist Committee posted:unlike these forums, CSPAM is just a DSA committee
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I joined DSA for the tight boi pussy and to network
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yeah like in 2020 there were plenty of chances to work with the DSA and volunteer your time phonebanking, textbanking, doorknocking, and otherwise organizing for Bidenquote:The past six months have been a whirlwind for the working class, and for our movement. We lost our campaign for a democratic socialist presidential nomination on the Democratic Party line, organized against the COVID-19 pandemic and economic fallout that has followed, and joined a reborn movement for Black liberation.
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that's not every chapter, first of all, and second you've got the same brain worms as the libs if you are only focused on action at the national levelXaris posted:DSA does a lot better work in local areas getting rid of the insanely awful karen nimby boomers who run for city council seat #9 funding more cops and blocking public housing or bus stops, or school super intendent; or even sometimes on a broader state level replacing some extremely lovely McCaskill types for State Congress Seat #39. it's the folly of the Obama-era DNC to just focus on presidential or big senate seat only.
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So it's like Labour's Momentum, but a lot less strong and effective. It makes less sense to keep it going like it is since Bernie is done, but I guess they could still organize for The Squad, and the Democratic party in general if that's part of their charter.
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Relin posted:that's not every chapter, first of all, and second you've got the same brain worms as the libs if you are only focused on action at the national level true, it was only 20+ chapters including leadership from DC, NYC, SF East Bay, Denver, Atlanta, etc and of course national but also lol
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thotsky posted:I am not sure that most people are not just a mash-up of various influences; that Tumblr youth draw more from cartoons and video games than some peasant of yore getting their personality from their father, teacher and priest does not strike me as an outright tragedy, even if their openness about it is kind of cringe.
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there's a lot of very very fair criticisms of DSA, and while harm reduction electorialism and focusing on biden or w/e big prez seat election is loving stupid as poo poo, they do a lot of non-electoral work and actually have made decent headway in local-regional politics which has an impact on a a lot of people in a local-level. it's probably the most useful actual boots-on-ground organization to take over local and regional politics (which often run unopposed) and also helps out with local aid and unionization efforts too. it's really not good and isn't even remotely close to being well-organized and powerful, not by a longshot, but outside of unionization it's the most tangible thing that actually exists unlike posting2praxis twitter slacktivism.gay_crimes posted:I joined DSA for the tight boi pussy and to network also this is the real reaosn to join the dsa. get those p/b/j/n/ussy n drug hookups Xaris has issued a correction as of 00:19 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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i got my highest paying computer touching job after meeting the hiring manager at a dsa organized door knocking event for bernie last year, checkmate succers
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gay_crimes posted:i got my highest paying computer touching job after meeting the hiring manager at a dsa organized door knocking event for bernie last year, checkmate succers Peak lib
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gay_crimes posted:i got my highest paying computer touching job after meeting the hiring manager at a dsa organized door knocking event for bernie last year, checkmate succers did you eat a lot of free pizza while chatting it over
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bring back Stavvy Solves Your Problems, coward
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Xaris posted:bring back Stavvy Solves Your Problems, coward he realized its impossible to monetize that poo poo
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Salvor_Hardin posted:he realized its impossible to monetize that poo poo it's a lot more lucrative than standup touring lol hasan probably made two or three mil last year
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Salvor_Hardin posted:he realized its impossible to monetize that poo poo He could have gotten a ton of twitch subs
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i say swears online posted:it's a lot more lucrative than standup touring lol hasan is hot tho
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