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I think my initial biggest mistake with my first couple layouts for oil refineries was doing like I did with assembly plants and placing them smack dab next to each other instead of spacing them out slightly. that helps immensely in dealing with the terrible pipe tangle. the feeling of progression in this is exceptional. when I started I had to use the car's gun turret to deal with biter bases and drive around them in circles to destroy them. then I got grenades and could build a few gun turrets, throw some grenades, retreat to the turrets to deal with the spawned biters, repeat until the base died. then I got AP ammo and could mow down a few spawners, retreat to turrets, kill some more spawners and worms, repeat until base was gone. Then I got the rocket launcher, but it fired too slowly, so I still had to have the backup turrets to retreat to. Then I upgraded it and got power armor MK1 so I could keep running pace with biters and juke spitters while firing off a few rockets to destroy spawners. Then it upgraded to fire fast enough that I could kill the initial defensive wave before it got to me besides the largest bases, then go to town on the base itself. Now I have power armor MK2 with 3 laser defense systems, 3 exoskeletons so I run almost as fast as my car drove, a fusion generator so I never run out of energy, and two MK2 shield generators so I can take direct hits from behemoth spitters/worms and largely shrug it off outside of the snare effect and bases die just by me walking through the middle of them.
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Captain Invictus posted:Will it get to the point where it's nothing but behemoths? nah in vanilla it maxes out at 3/8 behemoths, 1/2 big, and the rest medium
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is there a way to disable these notifications? I drag-clicked upgrade across an entire base and now it's got a persistent 600 logistic alerts because it's missing components to upgrade(for stuff I don't want to upgrade like inserters) it feels like it's actually slowing down my robots doing stuff too, it's taking longer and longer for my personal roboport to do stuff now. is it trying to cycle through all the various alerts before it gets to the ones near me to replace or something?
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I don't know about disabling the notifications, but you can customise the upgrade planner so it only upgrades specific things, so start with that. At least then you'll only be getting notified about things that will eventually be completed. Customise the planner, shift-drag the planning tool across the whole base to remove the old upgrade plan and then do the new one instead.
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Wallrod posted:Doing a big-dick strut through enemy bases with your trousers full of laser is a magical feeling when you do it for the first time. New thread title, right there.
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Captain Invictus posted:is there a way to disable these notifications? I drag-clicked upgrade across an entire base and now it's got a persistent 600 logistic alerts because it's missing components to upgrade(for stuff I don't want to upgrade like inserters) Yes, once you got over 601 construction orders the game switches to a different scheduling. Before that having too many construction orders tanked your framerate. There might be a config option to switch back to the old behaviour. But the correct solution is to just finish or cancel the construction. You can set a deconstruction plan to cancel order mode and drag it from the map.
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Captain Invictus posted:the walls slow down the behemoth biters even if it doesn't stop the spitters. You can enter /evolution into the console to check the current evolution level. 1.0 is the maximum, it won't get any worse past that.
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So after running a game on .16 for around 300h (bob+angel), it is time for me to upgrade. Sadly i cannot upgrade the current save as it seem some mod is making it crash whenever i upgrade to .17, so i might as well start a new one on 1.1 version. Is goonisland start still a thing? I see the seed generation has changed. Also trying to understand which big mode to go. I might go again bob + angel and add py (is it even possible?). I am also looking at SpaceX. Any recommendations for the most convoluted mods?
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Well that's a whole new level - i will look into pure py. I will miss the ore sorting of bob - i had come up with an interesting on demand logistics to sort the ores that were missing from a central storage. I will probably shoot some screenshots before killing the game
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Py is the best if you want to never run out of things to do. Vanilla and other packs eventually just become a matter of scale but py tells you there is yet another production chain to set up and balance and is it worth it to being iron all the way over here when you could just get source it locally via a mushroom farm? Or even just breed alien bunnies and grind them up from blood and get the iron from that?
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How do I go at setting the local fauna to be a problem only in late game? I remember there was a goonisland seed but i guess that's history now. fakedit: especially for games which run forever like py
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RattiRatto posted:How do I go at setting the local fauna to be a problem only in late game? I remember there was a goonisland seed but i guess that's history now. Set biter base size and frequency to their lowest. Expand the starting zone to max size. Set the expansion time sliders to the max. Lower the evolution numbers as you'd like. I usually leave base destruction pretty high but will lower both time and pollution factors. With these settings biters are basically non-existent early on. After many many hours the biters will expand and eventually become a force. These settings will basically disable biters in a vanilla game, unless your playing for tens to hundreds of hours on a map. Which sounds like the norm for py.
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So I am looking at Py and I am realizing how insane it is - it's like way more complex than Angel + Bob which I thought was already the upper limit. Before I decide to pull the trigger - is there a way to have an early logistics? This was solved by Angel with early drones, but I am unsure if there is the equivalent in Py
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RattiRatto posted:How do I go at setting the local fauna to be a problem only in late game? I remember there was a goonisland seed but i guess that's history now. Setting time and pollution evolution sliders to 0 and leaving only destroy will ensure that biter strength is only proportional to your expansion. Especially for bobs and py, the time and pollution creep will ramp up biter stress while the mod pack slows down your own progress to a crawl.
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If you're going to do py, the best thing to do is to just turn off biters completely. It's not worth the hassle, the mod itself is already crazy enough. As for early logistics, I started my run with construction drones at the time. Py has it's own set of logistic bots that you can get at red science, but even those will probably take you at least 20 hours to get to.
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Freaksaus posted:If you're going to do py, the best thing to do is to just turn off biters completely. It's not worth the hassle, the mod itself is already crazy enough. What i am noticing is that Py is literally just cramming the most complicated chains all together, with just extra loops. There is not much extra gameplay (I am thinking of Bob's garden and Bob enemies).
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I'd recommend pyblock or seablock. Start on a tiny island. Land itself is a precious resource.
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SynthesisAlpha posted:Py is the best if you want to never run out of things to do. Vanilla and other packs eventually just become a matter of scale but py tells you there is yet another production chain to set up and balance and is it worth it to being iron all the way over here when you could just get source it locally via a mushroom farm? Or even just breed alien bunnies and grind them up from blood and get the iron from that? I never played or want to play expansionist mods like bob/angels or py, but this post seems like it's sarcasm, but given the reputation py has, it doesn't seem like it. 
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DelphiAegis posted:I never played or want to play expansionist mods like bob/angels or py, but this post seems like it's sarcasm, but given the reputation py has, it doesn't seem like it. Yeah nope I unironically love the convoluted production chains and intermediate steps and other bullshit. I revel in bullshit ways to generate renewable resources and complex chains that take hours to build. Scaling production is my least favorite part of factorio. I enjoy crafting out my first block of production but get little joy in stamping out another 10 with bots. Py is like a never ending stream of new weird puzzles to solve instead of just jamming down your tenth brick of green circuits.
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RattiRatto posted:What i am noticing is that Py is literally just cramming the most complicated chains all together, with just extra loops. There is not much extra gameplay (I am thinking of Bob's garden and Bob enemies). I think that's selling it a bit short. Py Alien Life in particular adds a lot of interesting production chains. The way you have to recreate creatures from their dna, to grow them, feed them and either use their products or slaughter them for parts isn't something I've seen in other modpacks. It's not without flaws and it's certainly not for everyone, but I've found it way more interesting and engating than I would've thought before starting it. I might actually start a completely new run, looking at how much has changed since I last played my save. It feels pretty painful to drop a save that is several hundred hours in, but I've got all sorts of ideas on how to improve the base. Also, what is Bob's garden? I've messed around a bit with B&A but I've never got super deep into it. Is that the greenhouse stuff? DelphiAegis posted:I never played or want to play expansionist mods like bob/angels or py, but this post seems like it's sarcasm, but given the reputation py has, it doesn't seem like it. It's 100% accurate, the Alien Life mod is what turned py from something crazy into something insane.
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So when you say "Just Py, no other mod packs," which one of these are you referring to? https://mods.factorio.com/user/pyanodon
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You'll want all of these: Pyanodons AlienLife Pyanodons AlienLife Graphics Pyanodons AlienLife Graphics 2 Pyanodons AlienLife Graphics 3 Pyanodons Coal Processing Pyanodons Coal Processing Graphics Pyanodons Fusion Energy Pyanodons Fusion Energy Graphics Pyanodons HighTech Pyanodons HighTech Graphics Pyanodons Industry Pyanodons Petroleum Handling Pyanodons Petroleum Handling Graphics Pyanodons Raw Ores Pyanodons Raw Ores Graphics
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Freaksaus posted:
Yes - it's angel actually, bioprocessing. The stuff you need to find seeds in the wild and create the farms for it
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Freaksaus posted:You'll want all of these: So everything Py's done, then.  Cool, thanks!
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I start my science production at 30 science/minute, since that's a nice, even number of machines that is easy to achieve for each science pack. Do any of you scale beyond that? And if so, what's your new target? I'm reaching gold/purple science on my latest save, and bots make scaling up a lot easier. I was thinking maybe 120 science/minute, but that seems a bit extreme.
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My last factory had hit high double digits/low triple before I stopped playing it, but that was more "overbuilt solutions to existing shortages, I can start using more" than any conscious planning for high spm.
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Solumin posted:I start my science production at 30 science/minute, since that's a nice, even number of machines that is easy to achieve for each science pack. Do any of you scale beyond that? And if so, what's your new target? I normally opt for 1/s or 2/s (60 or 120/min) depending on how relaxed I want to be or how much early game pollution I can get away with, but lots of people on here build 1000/min megabases so there is, uh, a range.
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Solumin posted:I start my science production at 30 science/minute, since that's a nice, even number of machines that is easy to achieve for each science pack. Do any of you scale beyond that? And if so, what's your new target? I do 45 (30 is only round with level 1 assemblers, 45 is round with level 2) up through blue but by the time in getting further I aim for 90. If I want to then keep playing I'm usually aiming for a blue belt of each, though I've yet to ever finish one of those in vanilla :-(
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XkyRauh posted:So everything Py's done, then. Don't hesitate to add a ton of QOL mods, stuff like bigger inventory is almost required because of the sheer amount of different buildings and intermediates you're going to be dealing with. You are 100% going to need something like FNEI, but I'm sure you're familiar with those types of mods since you've already done B&A. Also, if you decide to actually start this, I'd love to see some progress pics, py is such a fascinating modpack for me and every py base that I've seen looks completely different from the rest.
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I think I'll aim for 90/minute, that's even numbers with level 2 assemblers and still a significant upgrade over 30/min. Thanks!necrotic posted:I do 45 (30 is only round with level 1 assemblers, 45 is round with level 2) up through blue but by the time in getting further I aim for 90. If I want to then keep playing I'm usually aiming for a blue belt of each, though I've yet to ever finish one of those in vanilla :-( Because blue science takes 24 seconds to produce 2 bottles, it's round with level 1 and level 2 assemblers!  A full blue belt of each sounds insane -- that's 2700 per minute!
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Solumin posted:I think I'll aim for 90/minute, that's even numbers with level 2 assemblers and still a significant upgrade over 30/min. Thanks! Yeah, hitting 2.7k SPM in actual vanilla is a tough feat that I still want to do some day. I always burn myself out on a save before I get there. One day! The highest I've finished and sustained was 500 way back in... 0.16? And it wasn't pure vanilla, which is what I really want to do. And sure, blue is round there but not the rest :P
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Good luck, you're going to need a _lot_ of beacons and modules, and I hope to see that factory some day!
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Solumin posted:Good luck, you're going to need a _lot_ of beacons and modules, and I hope to see that factory some day! Yup! One of the first steps scaling to that level is just getting module production going at a reasonable rate, which eclipses a 90SPM base in every way.
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So after about 440 hours working on one map I finally launched a rocket with my LTN city-block base. 83 1-2 trains, 300 stations, and over 87,000 construction robots. Each roundabout center is 6 heavy poles; which also fits 9 of the logistical area of robots in a 3x3 grid perfectly.  It is amazing how it feels once you have a base that can build itself. With an army of construction robots and radar dishes everywhere it basically becomes an RTS. Only thing I would have to do by hand was modifying constant combinators for the train stations' logistics. I really enjoy what LTN brings to the table as far as automating the train system. I probably would have never have tried for a city-block design with how trains normally work. I think it is one of the best mods for Factorio. Now its on to see how much I much SPM I can get this up to.
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Solumin posted:I start my science production at 30 science/minute, since that's a nice, even number of machines that is easy to achieve for each science pack. Do any of you scale beyond that? And if so, what's your new target? I normally start with the basic ratios from the factorio cheat sheet - (5/6/5/12/7/7) for assemblers, but leave room to double it in my initial build which can get me to 150/minute without modules. Moduled up I think they normally scale up to about 240/minute before I run into input supply issues in the original buss-base. Pushing beyond that is where I normally start building 1000spm sub-bases for each particular science pack and those sub-bases are supplied by train and the science packs are moved to the science lab sub-base via train. Once that is done it's just a matter of scaling up by building more sub-bases until I get bored of that game and take a break for a few months before starting over with different mods or map settings.
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Solumin posted:I start my science production at 30 science/minute, since that's a nice, even number of machines that is easy to achieve for each science pack. Do any of you scale beyond that? And if so, what's your new target? Got a few thousand hours in this game, and I'm at the point where you test the limits of the game itself, like with simcity or city skylines...working on my vanilla 21K base. https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/l34t57/all_you_need_for_21000_space_science_per_minute/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This is just space science. If you check my other posts you'll see some other parts, rocket fuel, smelter. Working on a post for purple science since that is complete. Currently trying to figure out how to make yellow and blue together or near each other. Red and green are done but small and boring compared to the rest. Then just connect them all together...easy peezy.
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I feel like "megafactory" no longer captures the true scale of what you're building. I love it, it's terrifying.
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