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mediaphage posted:i installed signal once and it automatically sent a notification to anyone i knew who had installed signal and uploaded their contact list
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It's really funny when you get a notification that your friend joined signal because it makes you wonder what sketchy poo poo they're up to
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Apr 7, 2021 01:59
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Chris Knight posted:that's how whatsapp works too lol i sort of expect it from some apps xtal posted:It's really funny when you get a notification that your friend joined signal because it makes you wonder what sketchy poo poo they're up to haha. tbh it bugged me because for something that bills itself as so privacy focused i found that really annoying
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Apr 7, 2021 02:01
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I guess the million users fleeing WhatsApp went to his ego
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Apr 7, 2021 02:04
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Chris Knight posted:that's how whatsapp works too lol WhatsApp doesn't send a notification for new installs
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Apr 7, 2021 11:47
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met a real life buttcoiner at a beach bar recently. (no covid in my country!) went as expected: - talked inncesantly about 'magic internet money' - bragged about his 'digital nomad' lifestyle, how he is free to travel and work anywhere - followed up with how he cannot go back to china because of some 'visa irregularities' - seemed very interested by economic citizenship, until the whole due dilligance part came up - creeped on a  so much she left the bar- refered to her as a - drank to the point of incoherence - skipped out on his bill - drove back to his guesthouse drunk
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Apr 7, 2021 14:28
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fins posted:- skipped out on his bill obviously he tried to pay the bill in bitcoin but they wouldn't accept it which is their problem
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Apr 7, 2021 14:29
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mediaphage posted:i installed signal once and it automatically sent a notification to anyone i knew who had installed signal and uploaded their contact list gently caress that's why a bunch of people messaged me. a friend wanted to tell me a work related story and asked me to use signal so why not, and immediately I got several messages from people i know like hey man long time! hate that poo poo. but i like my friend so we chat on that instead of anything else
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Apr 7, 2021 14:38
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Fart Sandwiches posted:gently caress that's why a bunch of people messaged me. a friend wanted to tell me a work related story and asked me to use signal so why not, and immediately I got several messages from people i know like hey man long time! hate that poo poo. but i like my friend so we chat on that instead of anything else yeah a friend messaged me a few minutes later and told me because she knew it would bug me the fact that it isn't immediately obvious and that you aren't able to opt-out i find skeevy. again, for something that supposedly prides itself on privacy it makes me suspect of the rest of their talking points
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Apr 7, 2021 14:39
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mediaphage posted:i sort of expect it from some apps p sure the whole point of signal is end to end encryption, and it can't do that unless both ends are using signal. so it makes sense that the user would want to know which recipients are getting encrypted messages. I hear what you're saying about privacy, but it does make sense if you think about it
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Apr 7, 2021 14:42
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KnifeWrench posted:p sure the whole point of signal is end to end encryption, and it can't do that unless both ends are using signal. so it makes sense that the user would want to know which recipients are getting encrypted messages. no it doesn't, it's just a push from signal to get more people to use it there are ways of finding out if someone you know is using signal. by, like, asking them, since you clearly already have their contact information. signal doesn't need to push notifications to people who have my phone number for whatever reason to encourage them to start messaging me
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Apr 7, 2021 14:48
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mediaphage posted:yeah a friend messaged me a few minutes later and told me because she knew it would bug me from the secfuck thread's opinion it's the Least Bad encrypted chat thing and genuinely does know what it's doing, it just has some facebooky/whatsappy features bolted on to make it more appealing to non-grognards that are kinda off-putting
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Apr 7, 2021 15:06
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KnifeWrench posted:p sure the whole point of signal is end to end encryption, and it can't do that unless both ends are using signal. so it makes sense that the user would want to know which recipients are getting encrypted messages. There's an indicator for each of your contacts that shows if they're using signal. If they aren't, you by default get a massive banner taking up 25% of the screen asking to invite them. The push notification you get when one of your friends joins signal is just marketing. Signal officially jumped the shark now, and it wasn't very good to begin with. It's kind of sad because I know a lot of people who worked on it. Highly recommend switching to Matrix/Element, it's better than Signal in just about all ways.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:12
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Oh, and reminder: This is why decentralization and open source is important. It was obvious Signal was going to sell out because they had been making things more and more closed and centralized.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:13
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xtal posted:Oh, and reminder: This is why decentralization and open source is important. It was obvious Signal was going to sell out because they had been making things more and more closed and centralized. so what's your jabber handle
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Apr 7, 2021 15:34
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So are there any decent alternatives to Signal, or is it still the best option for secure messaging in spite of its issues? xtal posted:Highly recommend switching to Matrix/Element, it's better than Signal in just about all ways.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:59
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weird take i am not very familiar with matrix (or element, which uses it) but upon doing some googles it seems pretty cool
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Apr 7, 2021 16:08
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Blotto_Otter posted:So are there any decent alternatives to Signal, or is it still the best option for secure messaging in spite of its issues? I'm probably the most qualified person here to talk about this, by far, but go off
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Apr 7, 2021 16:15
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Apr 7, 2021 16:17
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Telegram.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:26
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Paladinus posted:Telegram. Immediately notified everyone and is abject trash, I couldn't wait to uninstall it.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:33
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xtal posted:I'm probably the most qualified person here to talk about this, by far, but go off lmao Paladinus posted:Telegram. yeah don't use telegram if you can help it, they're notorious for doing such fun things as "having rolled their own crypto"
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Apr 7, 2021 16:37
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LordSaturn posted:this looks like the Mastodon of Signal i think it's specifically trying to be the mastodon of discord, except unlike mastodon the only time i've ever seen a significant group of people using it was when discord went through and banned a bunch of nazis and they needed somewhere else to go
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Apr 7, 2021 16:40
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looks like Anil Dash is the one to blame https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/nfts-werent-supposed-end-like/618488/ quote:When we invented non-fungible tokens, we were trying to protect artists. But tech-world opportunism has struck again.
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Apr 7, 2021 16:42
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like i get the appeal of wanting decentralized servers for chat n' poo poo, where you can just run your own like a mail server or whatever and they can communicate with each other, but then i remember what a fuckin' disaster of a clusterfuck email is and realize why that's kind of a terrible idea on any sort of large scale
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Apr 7, 2021 16:49
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Chris Knight posted:By devising the technology specifically for artistic use, McCoy and I hoped we might prevent it from becoming yet another method of exploiting creative professionals. But nothing went the way it was supposed to. we didn't actually ask artists though, because obviously we know what they'd say. all artists want to extend an idiot's idea of property rights into the internet and make everything e-pog microtransactions. but then something went wrong - somehow bolting bitcoin to the side of these weird exploitative ideas from real world hell capitalism led to weird exploitative hell capitalism but with bitcoin. who could have possibly seen this coming 
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Apr 7, 2021 16:55
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Shame Boy posted:i think it's specifically trying to be the mastodon of discord, except unlike mastodon the only time i've ever seen a significant group of people using it was when discord went through and banned a bunch of nazis and they needed somewhere else to go isn't that also mastodon, it seems like the only large communities on there are ones that got kicked out of twitter to some extent afaik the #1 mastodon instance is gab (twitter for nazis who can't hide their power level) and #2 is pawoo (twitter for pedophiles)
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Shame Boy posted:like i get the appeal of wanting decentralized servers for chat n' poo poo, where you can just run your own like a mail server or whatever and they can communicate with each other, but then i remember what a fuckin' disaster of a clusterfuck email is and realize why that's kind of a terrible idea on any sort of large scale I occasionally fantasize about a "sneakernet" mobile chat app that uses in-person public key exchange via QR code scanning from the screen rather than a CA system and direct TCP/IP connections between devices for actual communication the latter part has some issues obviously, especially w.r.t. NAT. but the whole Mastodon thing really exposed the lie of libertarian decentralization fantasy: 1) you have to set it up yourself, requiring both technical skill and hosting fees 2) you have to operate it yourself, requiring detailed and correct security configuration 3) you have to scrape the Nazis off yourself - managing the federation system against an attacker determined to harass your users isn't an unsolvable problem, but it is a constant battle repiv posted:isn't that also mastodon, it seems like the only large communities on there are ones that got kicked out of twitter to some extent a lot of cool queer/furry people went to Mastodon to escape Twitter's hellpitness
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Apr 7, 2021 17:03
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Shame Boy posted:so what's your jabber handle E-Mail is fully decentralized, too bad none of the popular messengers are.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:06
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LordSaturn posted:a lot of cool queer/furry people went to Mastodon to escape Twitter's hellpitness yeah initially it was "twitter for queer people" because the bigger servers had more effective moderation than twitter's "absolutely no moderation" but now I assume it filled up with nazis like everything else i know all the queer people i saw move to it came right the gently caress back to twitter within a year so 
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Apr 7, 2021 17:08
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Everybody I know on Mastodon is queer. There are definitely Nazi instances but they're banned everywhere. Actually for some reason there's a whole TERF instance too. But the moderation does work extremely well. The problem with Mastodon is too little posts, not too many.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:10
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LordSaturn posted:I occasionally fantasize about a "sneakernet" mobile chat app that uses in-person public key exchange via QR code scanning from the screen rather than a CA system and direct TCP/IP connections between devices for actual communication i am sure someone's already made this, and knowing nothing about it i can confidently say that it is made of GPG and a big pile of python scripts, and it doesn't actually ever work
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Apr 7, 2021 17:11
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Shame Boy posted:i am sure someone's already made this, and knowing nothing about it i can confidently say that it is made of GPG and a big pile of python scripts, and it doesn't actually ever work but enough about the things i make
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Apr 7, 2021 17:19
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Chris Knight posted:looks like Anil Dash is the one to blame The idea that NFTs were an honest attempt to help out artists and not pure crypto grift is genuinely the funniest part of all this.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:24
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Apr 7, 2021 17:41
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xtal posted:Everybody I know on Mastodon is queer. There are definitely Nazi instances but they're banned everywhere. Actually for some reason there's a whole TERF instance too. But the moderation does work extremely well. The problem with Mastodon is too little posts, not too many. Yeah, the promise of mastodon is that you only have to be part of the communities you want to, and it works pretty well for that. I like it a lot and wish it was more popular.
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The whole FEI thing is extremely funny. They attempted to recreate a central bank with an algorithm, but seem to have entirely failed to do so and have come up with some monstrosity which doesn't work at all. The working version goes like this: a central party says "we will sell you a token for $1.01 and buy one from you at $0.99. since our tokens are fully backed by dollars (via the previous mechanism), you can be confident in our ability to buy tokens from you, and thus in the value of our tokens". This will expand and contract the supply of tokens with demand, and works fine (during the gold standard, it even worked for a long time without full backing). If no one wants the tokens they will all go out of circulation, and there's little chance for speculation etc Instead, I think to avoid the central authority but they might still have one?, there's some weird algorithmic overlay which adds a penalty to trades. As soon as this penalty becomes significant, you're highly incentivised to either not do your trade or to do it off market, making it terrible as an actual medium of exchange. Also googling it there seems to be some sort of bug but idk what that's about
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Apr 7, 2021 17:53
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pointsofdata posted:The whole FEI thing is extremely funny. They attempted to recreate a central bank with an algorithm, but seem to have entirely failed to do so and have come up with some monstrosity which doesn't work at all. Am I correct in understanding that FEI is supposed to be a stablecoin that targets a value of $1 USD purely by managing supply rather than being backed by any USD holdings? Is the whitepaper and the website intentionally obfuscating exactly what entity is responsible for buying and burning FEI tokens when the value is < $1, or have they just not thought that far ahead yet?
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