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GABA ghoul posted:I think Wilford's hold over people is that he and the engineers are the only ones who can run the train and keep everyone alive. They are indisposable and their cooperation essential. That's how he managed to stay in power on Big Alice. Any kind of upheaval against him and Alex would have been suicide. There's a degree of fetischism with tech and billionaires in certain circles. If Elon Musk selected his 2000 most ardent supporters and put them on a magic train of his making i doubt he'd have to work very hard to be declared Lord Emperor.
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People are nuts if they think Melanie died. It was offscreen and she had an entire cache of supplies with her own transportation conveniently buried in the snow. If she is going to die it will be after she is revealed to have survived, only to then have a death scene
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Owling Howl posted:There's a degree of fetischism with tech and billionaires in certain circles. If Elon Musk selected his 2000 most ardent supporters and put them on a magic train of his making i doubt he'd have to work very hard to be declared Lord Emperor. I mean sure but the people in Big Alice were half randoms from the train yard (I assume since it wasn't designed to sustain 200 people) and besides the doctors not exactly those closest to Wilford (Melanie knew only Kevin) including children and teenagers. Also I think even Elon's followers would probably think a bit about killing themselves/their families for him. Oasx posted:I think Alex switched sides a little too easily. Sure Wilford is a psycho but that can't possible be a surprise to her at this point. And you know...she was raised by him. Under conditions that were at best traumatic as gently caress with him whispering in his ear. Why isn't she a total psycho too? THAT would have made a much more compelling story in my opinion, Melanie struggling to try and save/love a monster created by her nemesis who is her daughter. She was ten! Seven years should have left a huge mark on her morality, bigger then the love of an (absent even before) mother to turn in literally couple of meetings. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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I think they're going with a nature vs nurture theme with Alex.
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DarkCrawler posted:I mean sure but the people in Big Alice were half randoms from the train yard (I assume since it wasn't designed to sustain 200 people) and besides the doctors not exactly those closest to Wilford (Melanie knew only Kevin) including children and teenagers. Also I think even Elon's followers would probably think a bit about killing themselves/their families for him. you're thinking about a situation that happened in a different frame of context than the currently existing reality you're attempting to judge it against the weird elon--and celebrity in general--cultists are bad enough today, now imagine it's decades from now, the entire planet is dead or dying in a total mass extinction of all complex life as the global temperature snowballs to hundreds of degrees below zero in a new permanent super ice age, and those cultists are among the last few remaining thousands of human beings in the universe aboard elon's savior spaceship yes i am well aware that elon is a loving moron and that spacex isn't going to save anything
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It's easy to tell that the people on Big Alice fear Wilford more than anything and those loyal follow him due to any privileges that might give them if not the fear of losing their spot of importance. We are talking about a guy who killed half of the people on it because he decided it needed to happen. Once they saw half of the people killed the rest were going to be scared into submission knowing there is no alternative other than keeping your head down, keeping your mouth shut and doing the best you can to survive because there is only the train or a frigid death. I'm sure that some people stood up against the killings when it was about to begin but only succeeded in getting themselves killed in the process which made others stay in line.
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Remember that in the show, Wilford isn't a tech bro offering pie in the sky promises, he literally made a train track that spans the world, and a perpetual motion engine. Of course, it was actually Melanie who made those things possible, but he's not going to let that stand in the way of marketing. Wilford is now the only person who knows how to operate the engine onboard the main train, it's implied that his understanding is fairly surface level, and he's too high/drunk/bonkers half the time to do the work. Looks like the main train is in for a bumpy ride next season.
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What's the value of finding the weather-model? They say that it's to find spots of the earth where it's heating, but the Snowpiercer track goes all around the world and they would have observed the changes sooner or later anyway. And why would Wilford allow/include weather balloons but also not include uplinks to those balloons right on the train? Seems like it would be a waste of space.  Like these are huge areas of the map that's certainly on the track. (and I checked. There's basically no warm zone in North America, so Melanie would have to find a different way to survive.)
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xerxus posted:What's the value of finding the weather-model? I think the real benefit in finding the weather model would be in the ongoing problems of hope and governing. It's a train filled with constant war in a destroyed world so the thought that they could leave and go back to their old lives someday is an extremely powerful motivator. Someone that can remember wide open spaces will probably work extra hard to ensure they get back to that. Also I think that in the technobabble they are only measuring temperatures really high in the atmosphere that wouldn't be noticed from the ground for a while. It wouldn't have been noticed at all if a specific scientist hadn't been outside of a stopped train to see a freak snowfall. So even though they would eventually know by finding out this early it means they might not destroy humanity in hopeless wars over dismal years of deteriorating conditions with no destination not knowing about the warming and instead they might get their poo poo together and work toward reaching outside. The weather model data makes it a reality they just need to wait for. They can pick a location. Make concrete plans with timelines. Yearly goals. This is just speculation on my part, it could just be the gaps in the writing that I'm over filling.
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The weather model is a ton of data; the fact this is future tech and we see the data is stored on two hard drives should be indicative of how much data these 10 balloons are pulling in. Don't let the simple audience-friendly maps fool you, if you want to track the weather such that you can determine how many years out and exactly where humans can stop living on a train and bring the planet Earth back to life, it will take a lot of data. They're cheering over the proof that they'll be able to live somewhere on the Earth again someday but they have no idea where or when that'll be. The way weather works is so chaotic that a simple "go where it's melting" or "go where it's warm now" isn't enough. The data is there to make sure you don't place a camp in a warm spot only to discover that it'll be -300 the next day due to a simple change in the jet stream. No uplink is in the train because the train has to stay sleek and a giant dumb antennae isn't gonna pierce snow so easily. Melanie most likely survived where her rats survived, in a thermal vent. The balloons ain't gonna track that! I mean it's easy to just make up these explanations.
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Plus they can only really see where the tracks are, it looks like a lot of the globe isn't covered by the rails. It's been implied that they don't really know much about the failed weather control chemical actually worked, either.
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As anyone living in Europe has experienced first-hand in the last 10 days, climate is complicated.
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Rectal Death Deft posted:I think the real benefit in finding the weather model would be in the ongoing problems of hope and governing. It's a train filled with constant war in a destroyed world so the thought that they could leave and go back to their old lives someday is an extremely powerful motivator. Someone that can remember wide open spaces will probably work extra hard to ensure they get back to that. Also, my impression is that the train is slowly failing, just like in the movie. They are running out of spare parts, the ecology is collapsing and population growth is negative. Things got better with the BigAlice supplies, but in the mid term they are still heading for extinction if they stay on the train. It took them only 6 years to use up their reserves on Snowpiercer so once the warming finally reaches the train tracks in another 6 yeaes they might already be dead.
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Rectal Death Deft posted:People are nuts if they think Melanie died. It was offscreen and she had an entire cache of supplies with her own transportation conveniently buried in the snow. If she is going to die it will be after she is revealed to have survived, only to then have a death scene Yeah I don't get it, it seems blindingly obvious to me that if there's one cave full of rats there's bound to be another, probably even nearby!
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MiddleOne posted:As anyone living in Europe has experienced first-hand in the last 10 days, climate is complicated. I ended up BBQing in a snowstorm last night 
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The movie is on and got to say they really did an outstanding job by showing you how lovely the tail end was, everything dirty, dingy and reused a hundred times over. They did a bang up job with that. Oh and the security guard that gets shanked near the start looks like Oily Bob in a normal state.
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Oasx posted:I think Alex switched sides a little too easily. Sure Wilford is a psycho but that can't possible be a surprise to her at this point. It's pretty evident that she's in a super unhealthy abuser codependency thing with Slick Willie. Like, this is an abuse victim coming back to her abuser, and it seems like she's a very different (and worse) version of herself with him. The main cast was worried about her being emotionally OK seeing him again, but it seems like she knew that there was a fair chance she'd get pulled in by him. Let's not forget that scene with her and Kevin in the interrogation car. She's very hosed up mentally and basically did the same thing to Kevin. Anyway I just watched both seasons and this show is alright. It's had a fair number of wonky moments, but I mainlined it over like three days so there's something here. I look forward to Wilford's death
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tokin opposition posted:It's pretty evident that she's in a super unhealthy abuser codependency thing with Slick Willie. Like, this is an abuse victim coming back to her abuser, and it seems like she's a very different (and worse) version of herself with him. The main cast was worried about her being emotionally OK seeing him again, but it seems like she knew that there was a fair chance she'd get pulled in by him. You're referring to Audrey right? The quoted comment was in reference to Alex, the daughter. I think you're right with Audrey though, that was a surprising change considering how much she detested him when he wasn't there, but drat they sold it well with the following episodes just how hosed that relationship is and why she was so fearful of coming back in contact with him.
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Season 4 is coming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYdwUrGZn2A (no spoilers unless someone getting a haircut counts)
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Well it's nice to see that it won't be cancelled on a cliffhanger! A four or five season run feels about right for a show like this.
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Mokinokaro posted:Season 4 is coming Weird choice to reveal who sticks around to the season finale this way. Seems like they have a lot of fun on this show though.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Weird choice to reveal who sticks around to the season finale this way. Seems like they have a lot of fun on this show though. They don't film things in chronological order so it doesn't really mean much who's there.
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Mokinokaro posted:They don't film things in chronological order so it doesn't really mean much who's there. They don't? I thought they only did a bit of that last season to accommodate Jennifer Connolly's schedule, and even then it was just the one episode.
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I hope the rich guy gets hosed and we finally implement train socialism
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Season 3 returns Jan 24. Be warned this trailer basically spoils the entire premise of the season https://youtu.be/gZCfnbElWmI (though I suspect most of it will be revealed in the first couple episodes.)
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I like Snowpiercer as much as anyone, but I think calling it “television’s ultimate thrill ride” is overselling it a bit.
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Nothing else like it on tv. But yeah let them hype it up. I hope more people watch it.
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It’s an alright show. The lead guy sucks though, he is my biggest issue with the series. Connely owns
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Collapsing Farts posted:It’s an alright show. The lead guy sucks though, he is my biggest issue with the series. Connely owns 
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Show isn't the best, most dramatic or well-acted. It is entertaining, and all the characters are interesting, which is what matters. It's like how critics panned most of The Fast and The Furious franchise but audiences loved them.
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Cranappleberry posted:Show isn't the best, most dramatic or well-acted. Aye, I was only kidding. It's a really fun show with some cool ideas and even if it's extremely heavy handed does address important issues. But yeah, it's not high art.
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Time to get this thread chugging along again because the first episode of season 3 hit. I have no idea what to think other than I'm very glad that all the acting is still on point, the cinematography is still on point, the original compositions are still on point, and my excitement for every scene is still ready for more. Considering Layton's vision of the weird tree and the fact that the tree is in the title sequence... is this season gonna get uh... mystical or some poo poo? Not sure I'm a fan of that so I'm kinda hoping it's just some sort of symbolism and not, like, some weird random "we have to find the tree because I saw it" bullshit. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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I'm hoping the vision was sparked by something on the other person's uniform or something like that rather than it being full on mysticism silliness. Or it might be memories triggered by the earlier talk of surfing. Edit: from Reddit it's a real type of tree native to Yemen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Oh hey there's a thread for this cool series. I lol'ed IRL at the "Professor Layton" reference.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Oh hey there's a thread for this cool series. I know plenty of folks often don't care about sci-fi logistics but the fact that Big Alice, once used to push the train, is now at the head of the train means that at some point they had to either shoot the 1k long train ahead on its own while the engine took a shortcut to get back into the lead or they straight up stopped the train, leaving everyone absolutely frozen more than it already is, to pull the engine up ahead. I kinda wish they would've made an episode about that whole process but, eh, I guess we'll just say "nothing of consequence happened so it didn't matter." DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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DaveKap posted:Layton even scoffs at it like he gets the joke, which I loved. I don't think they changed anything? Ruth is now holed up in what used to be first class, which is completely frozen over now, and all the way in the "back" of the train, as far away from Big Alice and Wilford's place as it gets. So Big Alice is still where it was, which must be slightly awkward because to get anywhere in the Snowpiercer cars they have to go through what used to be the tail. What I don't know if is the train is going forward now, that is Big Alice started pulling as soon as Snowpiercer went its own way, or they kept the entire thing in reverse for all that time. Which seems kinda dangerous because the engineer can't see as well what's ahead in that case.
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Yeah Big Alice was specifically noted last season to be able to travel in both directions easily since it was designed to shuttle cars. I'm pretty sure they didn't switch things around. The cockpit is even on a bit of a hump (like the old brakeman seat in a caboose) so the conductor can see both directions but I think it was always facing rear since it connected to Snowpiercer.OldMemes posted:Considering how vital the suits are, they never seem to hold much charge. Yeah I do find that a bit funny but it kind of makes sense? The suits we use for some jobs only hold about half an hours worth of air in the portable tanks and they're still quite unwieldy tanks. The Snowpiercer suit has to not only hold that air but have a mechanism for warming it which I doubt is incredibly efficient. Honestly the amount of work it must have been to turn the cruiseliner train into an ark in less than a decade kind lets me wallpaper over some of the issues like that. Nothing's going to run perfectly. It's juryrigged by a genius engineer but still juryrigged.
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