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Junkiebev
Jan 18, 2002


Feel the progress.

spacemang_spliff posted:

I got money from Trump twice and this time got $0 from Biden lol

same

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witchy
Apr 23, 2019

one step forward one step back

spacemang_spliff posted:

just nothing but the worst posts from me today

kill the mod in your head post fast post hard

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
It's going to be hilarious that Trump desperately wanted "infrastructure week" but could never get it, but Biden's on track to getting it. I wonder if it will get Trump out of jealousy (envy?) to turn harder on Senate GOP.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
what the gently caress has Biden done that points to him being 'on track for infrastructure week', we don't have a bill in either chamber do we? And Manchin is already throwing water on it

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

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Ever notice this obsession with change, without specifying what that change will be?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Organ Fiend posted:

Ever notice this obsession with change, without specifying what that change will be?



An excellent point. Not even "progress" or "reform" or a concrete policy goal, just change. Change in what? Change how?

Those questions are designed to be left unanswered and unanswerable. By stressing "change" all the supporters can project what they what into the void and the politicians have with victory a reason to do nothing (representation changed therefore mission complete) or an easy excuse when things fall apart (the people are not ready for change).

This is an entirely cynical branding operation designed to extract money from people who don't have money to give.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Lol that's the joke. Obama's campaign slogans: Hope, Change you can believe in.

They are just empty platitudes that you can imprint your desires onto. It doesn't matter who you vote for because they will never give you want you want or need.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
hey guys if you can't stop hate reading D&D too you should check out the space thread to see the dumbest motherfuckers on these forums talking about poo poo like Roko’s Basilisk

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Tzeenetch has always been a fitting comparison given his overcomplicated plans always end up collapsing in on each other and accomplishing absolutely nothing but wasting time and resources to perpetuate his own existence.

I'm becoming Kite-Man

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
3. I dunno if anyone suggested a "crab based computer" you seem to not understand that turing completeness isn't limited to computers, or is only specific or useful field of study for just computers. It sounds like at this point you're so upset at having your argument so thoroughly deconstructed that you've been forced to resort to nonsensical shitposting and the puppet master defence by proxy.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

meh that's not succ it's just d&d talking out of their asses as usual

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

sexpig by night posted:

hey guys if you can't stop hate reading D&D too you should check out the space thread to see the dumbest motherfuckers on these forums talking about poo poo like Roko’s Basilisk

if we're talking about a memetic transmission that may end human existence then idpol is the real Roko's Basilisk

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

sexpig by night posted:

hey guys if you can't stop hate reading D&D too you should check out the space thread to see the dumbest motherfuckers on these forums talking about poo poo like Roko’s Basilisk

No loving way, I've read rationalwiki once and that was one time to many as it is.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Excelzior posted:

meh that's not succ it's just d&d talking out of their asses as usual

You're not wrong but I've been laughing at "dude in the smart discussion forum gets genuinely angry over 'crab based computer' as a concept" for a bit now

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp
just lol if u read d&d. I post there under my alts and it's all just garbage and insults, i never read poo poo

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Vim Fuego posted:

just lol if u read d&d. I post there under my alts and it's all just garbage and insults, i never read poo poo

hell yeah :justpost:

Soul_
Mar 7, 2021

gay_crimes posted:

cspam is 100 on analyzing the current state of affairs and 0 on predicting the future

If your analysis has no predictive power how can you know that it's correct?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Soul_ posted:

If your analysis has no predictive power how can you know that it's correct?

you say so, it’s how economics works

Moon Shrimp
Sep 7, 2013

Nichael posted:

maybe! as long as you're procuring power for the left (or even yourself), does it matter how you do it?


I think people tend to overthink this stuff. Nothing at all matters if you aren't getting power, and how you do it does not matter at all. If you can get power through unorthodox means, do it.

Jess seemed about as committed to "the left" as AOC. Maybe think about who you're actually procuring power for.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Rectal Death Deft posted:

You are delusional and your forty trillion posts campaigning for a democrat were a loving huge waste of time.

The only way things will actually change for the real better is by breaking brains one at a time to get out of the team politics mentality. Yes you need to "Waste" your vote in 2022 and 2024 and 2026. Every vote for the third party should be fought for and maintained. When the democrats literally try to steal an election by making third parties illegal to vote for then you sure as gently caress don't vote for them.

Chasing wins and re-electing the "lesser bad" over and over and over and mewling about which cartoon villain monologue and bodycount let's you sleep at night is pushing us straight right toward actual horrible outcomes. Weird how when we pick the person that can win now things keep getting worse! Shocking! Crazy even!

This poo poo should have started decades ago and nobody should be compromising or enabling our current government through electoralism anymore yet a huge population eagerly justifies war crimes and crimes against humanity because they need to win elections and can't process any other outcome.

have you done any of this in person

Moon Shrimp posted:

Jess seemed about as committed to "the left" as AOC. Maybe think about who you're actually procuring power for.

same question as above, have you done any of this in person?

Rectal Death Deft
Jan 10, 2020

by Nyc_Tattoo
not voted for rapists? yes

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Soul_ posted:

If your analysis has no predictive power how can you know that it's correct?

cspam is a collective and those here interested in predicting the future are poo poo at it while those analyzing the present are better at it

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Rectal Death Deft posted:

not voted for rapists? yes

have you tried to organize people for anything? third party, primaries, non-electorally?

not voting isn't really a thing, nor is voting alone.

Rectal Death Deft
Jan 10, 2020

by Nyc_Tattoo
i predict that the guy who harassed thousands of people about voting democrat is going to set the bar of allowable criticism being at "Expended as much effort harassing people as I did"

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


I think what always throws me about posts like Rectal Death Deft's is I haven't said anything at all that is in disagreement. I don't like the Democratic party, I don't think electoralism is enough, I'm extremely pessimistic that any of this will work. But what options do regular people have to get power and affect change? I can think of a few, and a lot of those literally cannot be posted or I'll be banned.

Soul_
Mar 7, 2021

gay_crimes posted:

cspam is a collective and those here interested in predicting the future are poo poo at it while those analyzing the present are better at it

I understand that. My question is how you know whether they're correctly analyzing the present.

Rectal Death Deft
Jan 10, 2020

by Nyc_Tattoo

Nichael posted:

I think what always throws me about posts like Rectal Death Deft's is I haven't said anything at all that is in disagreement. I don't like the Democratic party, I don't think electoralism is enough, I'm extremely pessimistic that any of this will work. But what options do regular people have to get power and affect change? I can think of a few, and a lot of those literally cannot be posted or I'll be banned.

stop voting democrat


even if you wont win


democrat bad even if not worst


enough people agree then good thing happen

Moon Shrimp
Sep 7, 2013

Nichael posted:

have you done any of this in person


same question as above, have you done any of this in person?

How dare you accuse me of wasting my time if yoy haven't also wasted your time in the same way!

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Rectal Death Deft posted:

i predict that the guy who harassed thousands of people about voting democrat is going to set the bar of allowable criticism being at "Expended as much effort harassing people as I did"

I routinely told people with both primaries that I and the candidates hate the Democrats, and we need to win primaries only as a pragmatic way to get power, because third parties aren't tenable in generals around here. No one ever said "vote for the Democrat". In fact, I trained volunteers routinely on how to talk about why we don't just settle for team blue.

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Nichael posted:

I think what always throws me about posts like Rectal Death Deft's is I haven't said anything at all that is in disagreement. I don't like the Democratic party, I don't think electoralism is enough, I'm extremely pessimistic that any of this will work. But what options do regular people have to get power and affect change? I can think of a few, and a lot of those literally cannot be posted or I'll be banned.

Vote.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Roko's basilisk is stupid because it would have to guarantee its own existence and given by what I'm looking at all around me it's doing a really lovely loving job

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Moon Shrimp posted:

How dare you accuse me of wasting my time if yoy haven't also wasted your time in the same way!

I don't think I wasted my time. I tried to accomplish a positive thing. I met lots of nice people, learned a lot of valuable skills, and helped train a lot of young people for their futures. I talked to countless people about why we need a left wing. It didn't work out because these tasks are nearly insurmountable, but I don't think anyone wasted their time.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
I questioned a lot of aspects about Scarane but Delaware seems like an awful place with some unique aspects that made it even harder. I’d have preferred someone who was a member of a socialist party but it sounds like there wasn’t much in the way of that there. I trust that Nichael did his best, no need to be so rude.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Moon Shrimp posted:

Jess seemed about as committed to "the left" as AOC. Maybe think about who you're actually procuring power for.

say what you will about Nichael but the guy was actually trying to procure power

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



:jerkbag: no one here is doing an :obama: "vote", and that's a rude mischaracterization tbh

Rectal Death Deft
Jan 10, 2020

by Nyc_Tattoo

Nichael posted:

I routinely told people with both primaries that I and the candidates hate the Democrats, and we need to win primaries only as a pragmatic way to get power, because third parties aren't tenable in generals around here. No one ever said "vote for the Democrat". In fact, I trained volunteers routinely on how to talk about why we don't just settle for team blue.

Well based on your stellar results of trying to lie to people about what you were doing and failing I will make sure to certify you as an election expert and The Voice of Your Generation.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Rectal Death Deft posted:

Well based on your stellar results of trying to lie to people about what you were doing and failing I will make sure to certify you as an election expert and The Voice of Your Generation.

C’mon, man

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


mawarannahr posted:

I questioned a lot of aspects about Scarane but Delaware seems like an awful place with some unique aspects that made it even harder. I’d have preferred someone who was a member of a socialist party but it sounds like there wasn’t much in the way of that there. I trust that Nichael did his best, no need to be so rude.

There is no way to win with a third party with even small districts here in the current political moment. It'd take tons of work, and no one is doing it.

It's not pointless to go for it, but the country is on a real time limit in regards to the various crises we're facing. I don't know that there's even time to do a third party now. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows?

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Rectal Death Deft posted:

Well based on your stellar results of trying to lie to people about what you were doing and failing I will make sure to certify you as an election expert and The Voice of Your Generation.

go outside and try to do anything remotely positive for the left. you're almost certainly going to fail, because the odds are stacked against us all.

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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Rectal Death Deft posted:

stop voting democrat


even if you wont win


democrat bad even if not worst


enough people agree then good thing happen

please do it. put in the effort to elect a third party candidate. I'd even talk to you about the first steps you should take. or gently caress it, run yourself.

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