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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


There's a couple subway stations in Seoul where you can experience the uncanny valley looking at actual living humans. It's super weird.

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Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
So Twitter rolled out a new emoji.
https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1379982365380911104

Lots of tankies who think all the protests were all organized and directed by the US are really mad in the quote tweets

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Imagine if the CIA was half as competent as they think and didn't blow millions on poo poo like acoustic kitty

And dosing homeless people with LSD for shits and giggles

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Tankies believe the Capitalist running dogs are simultaneously genius-level masterminds and drooling monosyllabic imbeciles.

Thus, by a a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus blah blah blah blah

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Isn't it strange their view of capitalists is the same as the Nazi's view of the "Untermenschen"? Probably not relevant

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

WarpedNaba posted:

Tankies believe the Capitalist running dogs are simultaneously genius-level masterminds and drooling monosyllabic imbeciles.

Thus, by a a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus blah blah blah blah

The CIA comes close.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Blistex posted:

The CIA comes close.

These days for whatever reason tankies have decided the State Department is the boogeyman behind all bad things.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Warbadger posted:

These days for whatever reason tankies have decided the State Department is the boogeyman behind all bad things.

Wasn't the State Department gutted under Trumph?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I think they believe that the State Department and CIA are literally the same thing, but it's hard to keep up with all the twitter-left qanon poo poo. Also I don't really want to because it's stupid.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Blistex posted:

Wasn't the State Department gutted under Trumph?

I honestly guessed it came from the State Department saying mean things about Syria/Russia/China. But yeah, I don't generally hang out in the insane internet spaces so I don't know.

And I wouldn't say gutted exactly, but a lot of experienced career people left during the first couple years of Trump's administration.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Warbadger posted:

I honestly guessed it came from the State Department saying mean things about Syria/Russia/China. But yeah, I don't generally hang out in the insane internet spaces so I don't know.

I try not to but it's almost impossible now if you want to engage with politics at all outside of just milquetoast bullshit. Every left wing politics space I know of is gradually filling with more and more gibbering nutjobs.

It's easy to just laugh at right wingers when they go down the insane conspiracy holes but worse when people you're at least nominally on the same political side as do exactly the same thing and are unable to recognize how nuts they sound. Also hard to totally blame people for looking at the state of the world and having their brains broken by it.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
I thought the state department thing had to do with a ton of CIA people having official state department cover and apparently Tankies don’t know the difference.

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

It's been a while; I miss Haier/Bajaj and his stories.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Ugly In The Morning posted:

I thought the state department thing had to do with a ton of CIA people having official state department cover and apparently Tankies don’t know the difference.

Yeah, the non-insane version is many (all?) embassies/consulates have intelligence officers (I don't think they're always CIA) working there under cover as diplomatic staff. Every country that has an intelligence service does that, everybody knows everyone else is doing it, it's just part of the international game. But the vast majority of the State Department or any other country's diplomatic corps has nothing to do with spying.

The complete binary, all or nothing thinking is a big problem. You can actually be aware there are CIA operations that occur via State Department cover without believing the State Department is actually indistinguishable from the CIA and responsible for everything in the world that you, personally, disagree with. :eyepop:

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Steakandchips posted:

It's been a while; I miss Haier/Bajaj and his stories.

Same. Been a while since we had funny China stories instead of depressing ones.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
i think it comes from back in the ukraine protests when the state dept was talking to the opposition and russia took that as us trying to overthrow 'their' country which got the propaganda going. i could be misremembering

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

I think it's just pure imitation of political commentators. Saying 'state department' rather than 'CIA' makes you sound more in the know (or it used to), because it suggests you actually know a bit about the structure of the civil service and aren't just raving about intelligence boogeymen.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Blistex posted:

Wasn't the State Department gutted under Trumph?

The human garbage type people like trump maga republicans and internet communists tend to all converge since they are the same kind of garbage toilet people.

And yeah the worst countries like China and Russia hate the US state department, so if you're the kind of poo poo for brains disgrace that laps up anti-american propaganda from countries like those, its gonna be something you focus on.

hakimashou fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Apr 8, 2021

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

National Endowment for Democracy COMIN AT YA

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
I know people like this unironically in real life. Did you know that the Hong Kong democracy protests were paid for by the state department! There are literal RECORDS. Imagine the Chinese doing that here?!

The presence of actual people at our work who have literally fled China after Tiananmen or because they took part in a democracy demonstration has absolutely no bearing on them.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Saying "state department" makes you sound informed, saying "CIA" makes you sound like a crackpot

I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it. Maybe with an inkling of implied "deep state" dogwhistling since the state department is a bureaucracy, the mortal enemy of the shitheads of our time

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Warbadger posted:

I honestly guessed it came from the State Department saying mean things about Syria/Russia/China. But yeah, I don't generally hang out in the insane internet spaces so I don't know.

And I wouldn't say gutted exactly, but a lot of experienced career people left during the first couple years of Trump's administration.
Tillerson cut to the bone and a lot of good people left, then those remaining were likely utterly demoralized under Pompeo.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 9, 2021

Barudak
May 7, 2007

A beautiful world with beautiful places to visit

Barudak fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 28, 2021

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Surely not the sinister Bureau of weights and measures?

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

WarpedNaba posted:

Surely not the sinister Bureau of weights and measures?

Who else would be keeping the filthy communist metric system out of freedom loving America?

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Harry White in the Treasury department insisted on giving the Soviets the plates used to print German occupation currency in 1946. Which the Soviets immediately used to print billions of marks, hyper inflating the currency to oblivion and ultimately costing the USA and Britain hundreds of millions of dollars. He did this because he loved Molotov, and wanted to kiss him on the lips

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

You have been measured - and found wanting

*James Bond gun barrel shot, silly music plays*

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Important news.

https://twitter.com/thepapercn/status/1380441603697999872

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Wonder what the pig's take on this is.

PiCroft
Jun 11, 2010

I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Wonder what the pig's take on this is.

Probably trying to find a porking spot

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

PiCroft posted:

Probably trying to find a porking spot

303 pages into the newest of about a dozen threads, and I will never beat your first post.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

ninjoatse.cx posted:

303 pages into the newest of about a dozen threads, and I will never beat your first post.

Don't beat your pork. Pull it.

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

I keep thinking about this north korean video I was watching the other day. I think it was voiced over by somebody from Beijing because his erhua made "Korea" sound like "Career"

Trying to find it again but I can't and that's a real shame

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
Anyone have good sources for how the PRC has actually performed on Covid in the last year? Seeing folks talking up their response post-March 2020, but, knowing the CCP's relationship with the truth, I'm pretty drat skeptical. My uninformed guess would be that China has coupled extreme quarantine measures (likely with little thought to the wellbeing of affected communities) with rabid suppression of data or conversation that might contradict the rosy image (which might be detectable by looking at aberrations in total death count, assuming even that data is accurate).

Not looking to defend the atrociously poor performance of many states in the West, just find something good to point out that "Hey, maybe this brutal authoritarian state isn't giving the world the full picture :shrug:"

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
at this point japan is probably the only country with accurate covid numbers, a lot of western countries are kind of just shrugging at this point like "had vax so what" while their populations go unvaccinated.

hell it costs $125 to get tested on oahu it isn't even a public service anymore. you think anyone is gonna get fuckin tested NOW?

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Cugel the Clever posted:

Anyone have good sources for how the PRC has actually performed on Covid in the last year? Seeing folks talking up their response post-March 2020, but, knowing the CCP's relationship with the truth, I'm pretty drat skeptical. My uninformed guess would be that China has coupled extreme quarantine measures (likely with little thought to the wellbeing of affected communities) with rabid suppression of data or conversation that might contradict the rosy image (which might be detectable by looking at aberrations in total death count, assuming even that data is accurate).

Not looking to defend the atrociously poor performance of many states in the West, just find something good to point out that "Hey, maybe this brutal authoritarian state isn't giving the world the full picture :shrug:"

If there was a credible source to show they were lying, it would be known about and blasted from every corner of the media.

At this point while I wouldn't be surprised if there was undercounting of cases early on, they are clearly being extra paranoid about it now. The key problem will be how well the Sinovac vaccines work and how well it can open up for the Winter Olympics at the start of next year.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Yeah, they lied a lot at the beginning but it's been genuinely under control since last year with only minor outbreaks. The quarantining and testing is pretty heavy handed, you can't miss it when it does happen. All of my friends in Chengdu (and the entire population of the city) had to get tested when there were like five cases at Sichuan University. And they've avoided the it's MY RIGHTS to spread plague idiots, which helps.

I'm sure the official numbers are downplaying it some but it's not like they're covering up a Brazil/US level outbreak or some poo poo.

Anyway there's no need to be pro authoritarian given that Taiwan has handled it better than almost any other country. South Korea and Japan have also done well, even though Japan by East Asia standards hugely hosed it up and is continuing to do so.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 11, 2021

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Grand Fromage posted:

Anyway there's no need to be pro authoritarian given that Taiwan has handled it better than almost any other country. South Korea and Japan have also done well, even though Japan by East Asia standards hugely hosed it up and is continuing to do so.

in what ways has japan hosed it up? i'm not too familiar with how they're handling it internally.

i know they had a lot of brat kids hanging out and walking around unmasked after schools were closed (this was after the run on masks had been resolved) and i know the general public didn't recognize things like germ theory until some ways into the pandemic, but i would've thought they'd be trying their best with the resources they have to fix it. unless they still think pneumonia is just an urban legend or smth

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

This got posted in the Eastern Europe thread and was a pretty good article with interviews of people who spent time in the camps (you will need to translate the page):

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/04/16/84935-kitayskaya-peredelka

Especially liking the part where the Kazakh dude got thrown in the concentration camps for, presumably, looking too Uighur. Pretty similar stuff to what you've seen from other survivors - beatings, torture, mass rape, etc.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Fur20 posted:

in what ways has japan hosed it up? i'm not too familiar with how they're handling it internally.

i know they had a lot of brat kids hanging out and walking around unmasked after schools were closed (this was after the run on masks had been resolved) and i know the general public didn't recognize things like germ theory until some ways into the pandemic, but i would've thought they'd be trying their best with the resources they have to fix it. unless they still think pneumonia is just an urban legend or smth

Well, at first they covered it up to try to prevent the Olympics getting cancelled. Since then they've just been doing incompetent restrictions that don't make sense, masking is spotty, testing was a problem for a while, Go To Travel was paying people to travel around the country internally and spread the disease, they're incredibly slow on vaccination, etc. The continued attempts to not cancel the Olympics are getting more and more farcical. Don't get me wrong, compared to how most western countries handled it Japan's done better, but compared to other Asian countries they've been huge idiots. They're really not trying at all.

Don't worry though, they're about to get serious and suggest restaurants close one hour earlier to really fix the problem.

This stuff just pops up in my Japan journalist twitter feeds but here's one to scroll through: https://twitter.com/jt_mag_os

E: This article is a good zeitgeist. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/04/10/national/japan-coronavirus-emergency-measures/

"Quasi state of emergency will apply to only certain Tokyo wards.
In some stations like Mitaka, this means restaurants in North Exit have to close at 8pm because the ward is under quasi SOE, but in South Exit can be open till 9 pm since ward is not under quasi SOE."

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 11, 2021

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