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mawarannahr posted:electing even a democrat senator that you might be able to influence sounds like a better plan than this given the world-existential issues under consideration. I think Nichael’s time was better spent on the scarane campaign and whatever was learned from that. sorry but local friendship isn’t gonna cut it for everyone. what are you “organizing” them to do? are you organizing them to take power?? anarchist scolds gtfo. “raising awareness” level here, Jesus ducking Christ. both things are good. but I don't think there's quite as many options to do what you quoted in my area, because I don't live in a major city.
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Nichael posted:I think I'm defensive because the climate on the left is either delusional optimism, or constant tear downs. It's wearing. If people are going into depressive spirals, they should at least be funny in the process.  You're a good man  I want to add that electoralism is clearly not the way to reach for or get positive change in this demon nation, but electoralism is sure as hell the way that the worst people, forces, impulses, and policy will be imposed upon you and all you love. Cheers to anyone who tries to work against that, even in futility. Yinlock posted:eh i don't think we're in the depressive spiral zone. see the climate change thread's dark days if you want some Maximum Doomer  Moon Shrimp posted:What do you think happened to AOC? Despite disliking her from the very beginning I think she was genuine in her desire to change things and is doing all she can think of to change things. Her problem, and everyone's, is that we don't know how to change things. She has no actual power beyond the power of popularity, and those anywhere near her purported ideological caucus amount to a marginal faction... which amounts to very little wieldable power in the national political battlefield. Angry supercool lefties thinks this means she is now their enemy, because she is essentially as powerless as they are. She is not stupid and reconciling these things must be incredibly depressing for her. Dumb Millennial thinks to change world, is introduced to actual world, fails.... sounds familiar. This poo poo is a chess board where checkmate has been locked in for 4 moves... no strategy or tactics get you out of checkmate when you're in it. tiberion02 has issued a correction as of 07:45 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Glenn Greenwald’s Gusano Girlboss would be a fun name to try on for a while
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Vim Fuego posted:girlboss is goblin spelled backwards!! bullshit. it spells vince foster.
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mawarannahr posted:electing even a democrat senator that you might be able to influence sounds like a better plan than this given the world-existential issues under consideration. I think Nichael’s time was better spent on the scarane campaign and whatever was learned from that. sorry but local friendship isn’t gonna cut it for everyone. what are you “organizing” them to do? are you organizing them to take power?? anarchist scolds gtfo. “raising awareness” level here, Jesus ducking Christ. All democrats are controlled by capital, you are literally wasting your time if you are spending your energy on democrats. If you don't understand how organizing the poor can build power idk, I guess we just have different understandings of history. Specifically we are organizing people in the park to secure basic human rights like access to sanitation, hygiene, electricity, and ultimately housing. Maybe you don't consider achieving these things important, but they are literally transformative for tens of thousand of people in my city.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:All democrats are controlled by capital, you are literally wasting your time if you are spending your energy on democrats. If you don't understand how organizing the poor can build power idk, I guess we just have different understandings of history. Specifically we are organizing people in the park to secure basic human rights like access to sanitation, hygiene, electricity, and ultimately housing. Maybe you don't consider achieving these things important, but they are literally transformative for tens of thousand of people in my city. you're quoting a joke at my expense
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There's really so many possibilities as to why this answer is so gibberish. Is she so terrified of angering her Jewish constituents/AIPAC that she doesn't even want come close to possibly saying anything that's vaguely critical of Israel? Has her mind been so warped by succ that she genuinely values a respectable decorous Process over actual results? Is she so utterly naive to believe that Israel is actually acting in good faith in regards to the conflict? All of the above???? Truly, every day is a tantalizing mystery when it comes to AOPC.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:All democrats are controlled by capital, you are literally wasting your time if you are spending your energy on democrats. If you don't understand how organizing the poor can build power idk, I guess we just have different understandings of history. Specifically we are organizing people in the park to secure basic human rights like access to sanitation, hygiene, electricity, and ultimately housing. Maybe you don't consider achieving these things important, but they are literally transformative for tens of thousand of people in my city. the possibilities with respect to power opened by access to the senate and campaigning for that are more than the possibilities opened by dumping some dirt on cardboard and calling it a n urban garden. maybe I care less about what happens inside America but god drat it’s a much better plan for the rest of the people in the world to even try to influence the senate at all, and if you can’t , whatever you learn there will be more useful than base building.
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I think we can all agree the most important thing is *how* the school was blown up, namely, with tank shells and RPGs. The perk loadout seems to have been EOD, Overkill, Double Time.
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Shipon posted:boy mututal aid really does just sound like charity with a black flag emoji attached
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gosh really concerned about the safety of israelis right now... also maybe the rights of palestinians spacemang_spliff posted:Obama asks you to fill a bowl from your own stash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxkcewBEe0 edit: maybe we should start a thread on leftist bank robberies i guess, get this drat revolution started Jokerpilled Drudge has issued a correction as of 11:59 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Nichael posted:my friend told me stalin used to rob banks, then give the money to the party. I'm not endorsing that because I don't want to be banned, but that's a non-electoral activity that got tangible gains. apparently he also killed various bystanders during the robberies too, which isn't that great. oh so thats why front mission gun hazard has the place with the bad russian revolutionary and you know hes bad because hes robbing a bank
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as someone who gave bernie 2020 every dollar and minute I could spare (and many I couldn't) to see it all shoveled into a rapist white supremacist's war chest the answer, for me at least, has been to turn what money and energy I have to unionization efforts. I don't know what the new labor movement is going to look like but I do know where it's coming from. I mean I'll go vote for a socialist if one is on the ballot and god bless if electoralism is what you want to do with your time, but it's really hard for me to see it as anything other than a dead end for the foreseeable future and that's not going to change until conditions change, and conditions aren't going to change by electing more aocs (lmao) or even omars one of the worst parts about the bernie campaign was that they sold/gave my email to the dnc after he suspended and I still get those fuckin IT'S ALL OVER, PENTECOASTAL ELITES!! CHUCK SHUMER IS GOING TO SHOOT HIS ENTIRE FAMILY IF YOU DON'T DONATE TO THE JOE2024 FUND BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT (2600% matched!!!) STACY ABRAMS IS CRYING RN!!!
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:!! CHUCK SHUMER IS GOING TO SHOOT HIS ENTIRE FAMILY Not the baileys
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:CHUCK SHUMER IS GOING TO SHOOT HIS ENTIRE FAMILY how do I donate to this
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I think we can all agree the most important thing is *how* the school was blown up, namely, with tank shells and RPGs. The perk loadout seems to have been EOD, Overkill, Double Time. *analyzing the the burned out wreckage of an orphanage, ash still in the air* hmm, it looks like they had the 125% explosive damage on crit enabled. Nice.
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gradenko_2000 posted:how do I donate to this I know it's all nonsense adtech dreck by Mothership or whatever company is doing them now, but at least I get a kick out of reading about how Nancy Pelosi is SO DISSAPOINTED and FRUSTRATED with me because I haven't sent my name to the master list of Resister Democrats that she can send to Joe Biden before he makes his next Historic Speech
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Were Bernie and Corbyn really bad candidates? Their main appeal was that they had been committed socialists for decades and there isn't really anyone to replace them. One of the biggest failures of this experiment with Electoralism is that the torch wasn't really passed on to the next generation.
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Bernie could have been good but ultimately wasn't, or at least couldn't have been the guy we needed. It wasn't about him, it was about the movement, but he failed to help turn the movement into what it needed to be. Maybe that was ultimately impossible, who knows. Corbyn, IMO, was good, but unfortunately by accident of history found himself on an island of pedophiles ruled by slightly more inbred pedophiles and when presented with a good thing the slavering hordes of corn-kernel-mouthed degenerates over there decided to poo poo the bed instead
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Sanders was a bad candidate because in retrospect he wasn't trying to win. His entire effort seems like he was betting on either the Democrats to roll over and accept him if he overcame all odds when they have made it very clear they wouldn't OR it was another vanity awareness campaign designed to get the eventual winner (Friend Joe) to take on some of his platform planks in exchange for not pointing out how their histories indicated they wouldn't. The fact that every other candidate was busy character assassinating him and his supporters while he would barely attack back makes me think he didn't think he could win and his biggest concern was not going down in history as the guy that got Trump reelected by weakening whatever loser came out of that wretched primary. That he's out here now lying to everyone saying that bill is the most progressive act in American history doesn't make me think he's really that far out of the Democrat's HQ regardless of how hated he is by the Third Way. Eggplant Squire has issued a correction as of 12:51 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Honestly think Bernie, having been surrounded by these reps for decades now has grown a little bit naive(read: very naive) about who are allies and who are not. Unfortantely, this is worse than useless to the leftist movement. We may have been better off with no Bernie in the primary so that we didn't get confused once again by electoralism
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I'd feel comfortable with calling Sanders a worse candidate than Corbyn. There was a literal internal conspiracy in the latter's camp to feed him false information about how his campaign was being run, to his own detriment, and while we might say that Corbyn should have had the political instincts to be able to deal with that (read: stack the party with your loyalists and purge the loving liberals and Red Tories), that's less contemptible than Bernie actively refusing to win.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'd feel comfortable with calling Sanders a worse candidate than Corbyn. There was a literal internal conspiracy in the latter's camp to feed him false information about how his campaign was being run, to his own detriment, and while we might say that Corbyn should have had the political instincts to be able to deal with that (read: stack the party with your loyalists and purge the loving liberals and Red Tories), that's less contemptible than Bernie actively refusing to win. Yeah Bernie didn't even get to the stage in 2020 where he could be betrayed by the party, he did the work for them. Corbyn also had to balance the idiotic Brexit deal messaging where there wasn't a consensus on how to handle it in the labour voters while the Tories were pretty solid on LEAVE. The British press is also a disaster and at a certain point you can't blame voters when there's an omnipresent messaging campaign against them.
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Rectal Death Deft posted:Well based on your stellar results of trying to lie to people about what you were doing and failing I will make sure to certify you as an election expert and The Voice of Your Generation. lol this is stupid poo poo
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misadventurous posted:doomposts are one thing if you’re in your feelings about living in a poo poo world but if you’re just posting to tell someone like nichael “shut the gently caress up there’s no hope everything you did is a waste and you should be as hopeless as me” choke on it and log off
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ToxicAcne posted:Were Bernie and Corbyn really bad candidates? Their main appeal was that they had been committed socialists for decades and there isn't really anyone to replace them. One of the biggest failures of this experiment with Electoralism is that the torch wasn't really passed on to the next generation. they were as good as they realistically could have been. their problem was that, even in the face of things obviously falling apart, there's only a waning power on the left in britain and none at all in the US, so the elite consolidation against them was almost total. the issue isn't the candidates - sure, they made mistakes, but you're never going to run an election with no mistakes unless you're tony blair in 1997. the issue is that there's no serious power on the left. this is also why your AOCs pivot so quickly toward the establishment - sure, she's got a good chance at reelection, but if they want her out they're going to keep putting her through hell every couple of years, whereas if she plays ball she doesn't have to worry about it. an election in a bourgeois democracy is always a contest between institutional powers. the stronger the institutions of the left, the better the left does. this is one of the big problems of the extreme inequality we're seeing these days - the institutions of the right are well-funded and well-connected to the point where they can produce defences of the indefensible almost overnight, and the interests they represent are growing ever stronger. sanders' campaigns were an attempt at kickstarting left-wing institutions, but there's a very limited array of reliably left-wing interests available - you basically have to organise along class lines, which means finding some way to leverage actual social power in the lower classes and and mobilising then through direct self-interest. the traditional way to do this has been through trade unions, but building communes or sects might also be potentially fruitful, given willingness to actually do potentially illegal poo poo also mutual aid isn't political activism it's just how communities work ffs read kropotkin!!!!
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