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Phanatic posted:Unrelated question: What do y'all like for lug nuts that aren't made out of Chinesium and will last for more than one set of wheel changes without starting to distort or corrode or gall? OEM. I don't think I've ever bought a set of aftermarket lug nuts that weren't crap tbh
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McGard makes a two piece spline lug that's been fantastic. They have shoulders to stop the socket from marring wheels as well as a floating taper face to not gall the paint on the seats of the wheels. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200YYXC/ Get ready to pay, though. Their standard lugs have been good too if that seems wild to pay for lug nuts. I have them on my Rays.
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snugglz posted:spotted on the way to the airport yesterday morning. looked like a brand new fleet vehicle. Why are these rear wheel drive?!
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I mean, "why" may be a good question, but shhhhh, you'll give them ideas.
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snugglz posted:spotted on the way to the airport yesterday morning. looked like a brand new fleet vehicle. Ford should know better than to use a Dana 35 when the 8.8 is sitting on the shelf.
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Doesn't the 8.8 potentially have this issue too? I know I was shopping for C-clip eliminators at some point.
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:Why are these rear wheel drive?! Smaller vans are generally FWD, but the Transit is the largest van Ford makes. It competes with the Sprinter (also RWD) and the Ram ProMaster (FWD). Guess which one you almost never see compared to the other two... Krakkles posted:Doesn't the 8.8 potentially have this issue too? I know I was shopping for C-clip eliminators at some point. wolrah fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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People mix up the Transit and Transit Connect a lot. I wish they were RWD, because it would be a cheap way to get a modern RWD beater on a budget
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As someone who learned to drive in and has spent a poo poo load of time in the best fwd van (vw transporter) fwd becomes a massive detriment if you are hauling any sort of actual weight on any surface that doesn't offer great traction. Fwd is great for civilian vans but if I needed to actually haul anything rwd offers a poo poo load of benefits
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big dong wanter posted:As someone who learned to drive in and has spent a poo poo load of time in the best fwd van (vw transporter) fwd becomes a massive detriment if you are hauling any sort of actual weight on any surface that doesn't offer great traction. Fwd is great for civilian vans but if I needed to actually haul anything rwd offers a poo poo load of benefits Exactly. Front wheel drive has plenty of advantages related to packaging and drivetrain efficiency, at least for now while we still need to turn a series of explosions in to rotation and transmit that to the wheels, but it is always a compromise from a performance/capability standpoint. No one should ever "want" front wheel drive. It's just something you end up with on certain classes of vehicles because it's cheaper and the downsides don't matter to most users. Fortunately EVs eliminate most of the packaging advantages so most dedicated EV platforms are RWD or rear-biased AWD. As someone who loves his FWD hot hatch, good riddance. wolrah fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Apr 5, 2021 |
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Phanatic posted:
I like Gorilla. I use them even for winter lugs and they hold up just fine
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:Why are these rear wheel drive?! You can buy them rear or front drive. The boss upgraded from the old rear drive transit to the pictured model from drive and it is absolutely a dream to drive. I thought I was gonna hate it going from manual to auto, but it is a phenominal engine and the auto box is really good in it too. Bar that picture, the fixed absolutely everything that was wrong with the old one but introduced one really wired bug. If you pull the handbrake when it is in drive it pops a warning on the dash and the warning chime goes off like your stealing the car, but if you leave one of the doors open and go to take off, no chime, just a little bit going on the dash saying door open.
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Puddin posted:You can buy them rear or front drive. No, you can’t? Transit != Transit Connect.
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Darchangel posted:No, you can’t? The previous generation full-size Transit was offered in both FWD and RWD variants. The current generation introduced a midsize FWD variant called Transit Custom that doesn't make it to the US and the full size model went back to RWD/4WD exclusive.
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Darchangel posted:No, you can’t? Ford Body Builder appears to only offer Transits RWD or AWD depending on the chassis type and model in the US. https://fordbbas.com/publications Digging through their UK site, there is at least a cutaway model that are FWD and some other models as well. https://www.ford.co.uk/shop/specialist-sales/transit-conversions/ford-conversions/skeletal-chassis-cab EDIT: Having never seen one, I'm guessing FWD Transits still use longitudinal mounted engines and are basically the AWD model without the rear diff and prop shaft and with a locked transfer case? The re-engineering to have it have a transverse mounted engine would be absurd though I wouldn't put it past Ford (or really any manufacturer) to have that capability in mind if there is a feasibility and business case for it. Edward IV fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Darchangel posted:No, you can’t? I'm talking about the Transit, you can get it here in the Au market Fwd or Rwd.
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large vans with longitudinal engines always have loads of room around the engine. So if you need to have an AWD variant anyway how much additional engineering at the design stage would really be needed for a transverse FWD variant?
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Edward IV posted:If that's the case, then why do they appear to be tied into the steering control mechanism? Good spot on the confusing steering assembly. The brown shaft (Nullwelle) is what is actually used to steer the tank, it forces one side of the differential to speed faster or slower than the other side, creating a speed difference between the tracks which turns the tank. This is called regenerative steering because you don't apply any brakes and turn without dumping speed (apart from track friction and losses) Usually the Nullwelle is turned by the hydrostatic motor, powered by the hydrostatic pump with variable stroke, of which the stroke adjustment is coupled to the steering wheel. This allows very precise speed adjustment between the chains. The hydrodynamic clutch does the same thing with much higher speed of the Nullwelle, this is done for neutral steering (turning the stationary tank on the spot very fast). The transmission has a special gear for that (W - the second neutral Position). Neutral steering via the hydrostat should be avoided because it puts a too high load on the relatively small hydrostatic motor. The historic alternative is turning a tank with an open differential by applying brakes to one output shaft. This is done by the classic big rear end levers that can be seen in indiana jones and the last crusade. The levers usually have a ratchet lock like a handbrake and a the driver has a cheat sheet with brake position, gear and engine speed to achieve a certain turn radius. Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Edward IV posted:EDIT: Having never seen one, I'm guessing FWD Transits still use longitudinal mounted engines and are basically the AWD model without the rear diff and prop shaft and with a locked transfer case? The re-engineering to have it have a transverse mounted engine would be absurd though I wouldn't put it past Ford (or really any manufacturer) to have that capability in mind if there is a feasibility and business case for it. Trying to search for any information about front wheel drive Transits from the US is hard though because the search engines prioritize US content which means all kinds of useless articles about Connects. It doesn't look like they were particularly popular, for obvious reasons.
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wolrah posted:The FWD models have different engine and transmission options than the R/AWD models so I'm pretty sure it is in fact transverse. Had to trawl through eBay since that's where Ford UK sent me when looking for parts but I think I found the transmission for a FWD Transit and it does look like it's transverse mounted.  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Tra...+V363+FCD%2CFDD As I said earlier, I'm not surprised Ford made a transverse setup for FWD. That said, it actually looks like the transaxle does make for a cleaner looking package as opposed to lopping off the back end of an AWD model. On the other hand, the logistics for maintaining different parts for FWD models and R/AWD models must be inconvenient at the very least. EDIT: Turns out a Transit Custom isn't actually a Transit, I think. At least not the same one in the US. A Transit Custom is slightly smaller and is FWD only from the looks of it. In any case, FWD Transit (not Custom) still appears to be transverse FWD. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-TRA...+V363+FCD%2CFDD Edward IV fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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The 'default' Transit in Europe (swb, regular roof panel van) is FWD and always has been. Once you start optioning stuff they will happily sell you a RWD or 4WD model, but the basic van is FWD. I'm actually impressed they crammed a longitudinal engine in there without half the engine vanishing under the cowl.
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I understand the benefits of RWD in respect to hauling heavy loads or towing, but the Transit pictured earlier looked to be set up as a mini-bus. I can't see how that vehicle full of people would be so heavy that a FWD drivetrain cannot perform adequately; and I imagine that the lack of a driveshaft / rear axle would result in a lower floor, which would make the vehicle more practical. It also does not have a visible tow bar.
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jammyozzy posted:The 'default' Transit in Europe (swb, regular roof panel van) is FWD and always has been. Once you start optioning stuff they will happily sell you a RWD or 4WD model, but the basic van is FWD.
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By default, the Transit van in the US (not the Transit Connect) is RWD - it replaced the Econoline lineup, though the Econoline was still built for cutaway chassis stuff until VERY recently. Only the Connect (which is sold as the Tourneo elsewhere, I think? and loosely based on the Focus) is FWD by default here - and also by default (not sure if this still happens, but it used to be the norm) the rear seats and windows get removed after importing them, to avoid some stupid tax laws in the US. Looking at Ford's US website, you can only get the Transit in RWD and AWD, and only with a 3.5 V6 (you can choose NA or turbo), 10 speed automatic only. You can basically choose from GVWR, gear ratios, roof height, length, and not a whole lot else, as far as the the main stuff goes. Whole lot of other options that mainly apply to fleet usage. They even charge extra for putting windows in them (aside from the windshield and front doors). randomidiot fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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wolrah posted:All information I have says quite the opposite, that the FWD full-size Transit has only been a thing since 2000 and it seems to be something you have to go out of your way to even find on the latest models. FWD is the default for a proper UK Transit on Ford's website, with RWD and AWD available as options. Also, 2000 was 21 years ago... meltie fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Pour some ATF out for me boys, the big Benz needs a new transmission. 
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Speaking of vans, there is a newer type panel van (sprinter/transit or whatever the gently caress) around here with a 70s style custom paint job on the sides and the (probably) fake little round window in the upper back. I just started noticing it recently, I'll try and get a picture of it.
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:I understand the benefits of RWD in respect to hauling heavy loads or towing, but the Transit pictured earlier looked to be set up as a mini-bus. I can't see how that vehicle full of people would be so heavy that a FWD drivetrain cannot perform adequately; and I imagine that the lack of a driveshaft / rear axle would result in a lower floor, which would make the vehicle more practical. It also does not have a visible tow bar. The reason why Ford doesn't offer the Transit in FWD is likely because there wasn't a big enough business case to justify the cost to do crash, emission, fuel economy, and other testing on the FWD models to Federalize it and able to offer it in the US. Which I think is a valid decision because the majority of Transits are being used to haul equipment or cargo where RWD is better suited and passenger van Transits are almost always used in a commercial setting where the benefits of FWD wouldn't be considered necessary. There's also the additional logistical overhead of maintaining FWD specific parts since FWD Transits are transverse FWD. I mean yes the rest of the world is getting by with that but I'm sure Ford preferred to not have to deal with it when they launched the Transit in the US in 2013 and tool up for a new platform.
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StormDrain posted:Dang you guys really like talking about vans. Vans are the new real estate.
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Apparently Vans work well for things other than skateboarding, who knew!
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You’re making vans look more awesome than they are... Plus I like van chat... would like to get one at some point and convert into a camper/pleasure palace just like in the 70’s with thick shag carpet and a built in bar e: this thread is more about culture than the mechanics of vans, sadly: VANTASM namlosh fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:Vans, not even once: This maneuver has me in awe, I choose to believe it's some kind of super advanced technique taught in like Finnish driving schools or something rather than dumb panic luck
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Data Graham posted:This maneuver has me in awe, I choose to believe it's some kind of super advanced technique taught in like Finnish driving schools or something rather than dumb panic luck it's called the Power Perkele
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