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Marmaduke!: May 19, 2009; Why would it do that!?

DrDraxium posted:

Cursed City isn't a limited run. It's like Blackstone Fortress in the sense that it is the core game that'll be around for ages. The inevitable expansions on the other hand, not so much.

Thanks (also to Yeast), I suppose there's no reason not to get it when it comes back in then. It is my birthday in a month after all...

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# ? May 26, 2024 07:21

berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

MonsterEnvy posted:

I am kind of hoping Old World is like that.

You mean Warmaster?

Mr.Booger posted:

The prime black works well for me on 15mm stuff (that's what I am painting now) but yeah, my last 6mm (some termies and a couple land raiders) I primed bonewhite, and horses I tend to prime brown. It does really come down to high contrast so you can see what the model is doing, however you get there.

Yeah, a black prime will work better with larger models. I find it doesn't with 6mm though.

Tiny Chalupa posted:

Are Warbands retired between "seasons" of Underworld? I have a starter with the Briarqueen but don't see any of the warbands released around the same time anymore
Grabbed the Online game and figured I'd mess with the physical game as well while I wait for my Epic models to get to me

Officially yes - GW doesn't sell warbands from anything before the previous season (in other words, anything before Beastgrave, currently.) You can get most of the kits as ETB boxes, but you won't get the cards. It kind of sucks - they should sell a card set once a season is retired, so you can buy the ETBs and still play with the warband if you're a late comer. But this is a complaint that has been going on for a couple years now, and GW isn't likely to change it.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:21

Moola: Aug 16, 2006

Crackbone posted:

Imagine what GW could produce in Epic scale with today�s plastics.

hopefully they'll eventually make something as a sidegrade to AT

# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:31

AnEdgelord: Dec 12, 2016

berzerkmonkey posted:

Officially yes - GW doesn't sell warbands from anything before the previous season (in other words, anything before Beastgrave, currently.) You can get most of the kits as ETB boxes, but you won't get the cards. It kind of sucks - they should sell a card set once a season is retired, so you can buy the ETBs and still play with the warband if you're a late comer. But this is a complaint that has been going on for a couple years now, and GW isn't likely to change it.

It especially sucks because Mollog's Mob is currently one of the best warbands in the whole game and its out of print.

Honestly I wish they just formally retired the older warbands if they arent going to keep them around to buy even as some sort of print-on-demand thing.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:58

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

berzerkmonkey posted:

You mean Warmaster?

Semi. I was talking about The Old World GW's relaunch of Warhammer Fantasy they have planned.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:21

DLC Inc: Jun 1, 2011

berzerkmonkey posted:

Officially yes - GW doesn't sell warbands from anything before the previous season (in other words, anything before Beastgrave, currently.) You can get most of the kits as ETB boxes, but you won't get the cards. It kind of sucks - they should sell a card set once a season is retired, so you can buy the ETBs and still play with the warband if you're a late comer. But this is a complaint that has been going on for a couple years now, and GW isn't likely to change it.

that's kind of hosed up. Was thinking of picking up some Underworlds stuff as of late but if this is the way they go about it, probably not.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:45

with a rebel yell she QQd: Jan 18, 2007; Villain

Tiny Chalupa posted:

Are Warbands retired between "seasons" of Underworld? I have a starter with the Briarqueen but don't see any of the warbands released around the same time anymore
Grabbed the Online game and figured I'd mess with the physical game as well while I wait for my Epic models to get to me

Only the Universal cards and old boards rotate out (of competitive play). Old warbands and warband specific cards stay playable. Briar is one of the most competitive warbands to this date, Varclav the Cruel's ability has been changed so he can only use it once a Round, and its still an amazing warband.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:50

Giant Ethicist: Jun 9, 2013; Looks like she got on a loaf of bread instead of a bus again...

DLC Inc posted:

that's kind of hosed up. Was thinking of picking up some Underworlds stuff as of late but if this is the way they go about it, probably not.

You can always use old warbands, you just can't buy them once they go out of print.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:11

berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

MonsterEnvy posted:

Semi. I was talking about The Old World GW's relaunch of Warhammer Fantasy they have planned.

Oh, I know what you're referring to. I would personally love to see it in that scale too, but I'm sure it would be something that would negate my warmaster collection.

Giant Ethicist posted:

You can always use old warbands, you just can't buy them once they go out of print.

Yeah, I think that was the question being asked. Obviously you can continue to play with the old war bands, though they may not be as competitive.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:19

Crackbone: May 23, 2003; Vlaada is my co-pilot.

MonsterEnvy posted:

Semi. I was talking about The Old World GW's relaunch of Warhammer Fantasy they have planned.

I cannot imagine Old World is going to be anything like original Warhammer Fantasy. They killed it because of low sales. Plus it being Forge-World aligned means a lot of resin (ick).

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:23

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Crackbone posted:

I cannot imagine Old World is going to be anything like original Warhammer Fantasy. They killed it because of low sales. Plus it being Forge-World aligned means a lot of resin (ick).

That's why I think going the Warmaster route would be good.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:25

DLC Inc: Jun 1, 2011

Giant Ethicist posted:

You can always use old warbands, you just can't buy them once they go out of print.

yeah, but going by how difficult it is to get poo poo that GW doesn't print anymore, I'm not really gonna go out of my way to buy a warband for $100 on ebay

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:39

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

MonsterEnvy posted:

That's why I think going the Warmaster route would be good.

Warmaster Revolution is the community version that incorporates the improvements from Warmaster Ancients. Combine that with cheap 3d printed models and it's an excellent game to get into. And a surprisingly robust online community.

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:45

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Giant Ethicist posted:

You can always use old warbands, you just can't buy them once they go out of print.

That's the most obnoxious trend of modern gw. FOMO makes me less interested in a product, not more

# ? Apr 8, 2021 23:50

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Space Marine was my first 40k-verse game and the huegness of the battles still shape my idea of what it "should" look like. Might explain why I was always a little :flaccid:

on 40k-the-game even though I love 40k-the-setting because reading through NetEpic scratches an itch I didn't even realize I had anymore!

# ? Apr 9, 2021 00:17

Giant Ethicist: Jun 9, 2013; Looks like she got on a loaf of bread instead of a bus again...

DLC Inc posted:

yeah, but going by how difficult it is to get poo poo that GW doesn't print anymore, I'm not really gonna go out of my way to buy a warband for $100 on ebay

The good thing is there's absolutely no reason to do so*. Design improves every season, and all you really get for tracking down an OOP warband, in general, is something that's probably relatively janky compared to current-season warbands. Like, Mollog is good in the current meta, but part of why he's good is because he's kind of poorly designed and breaks the game in an often un-fun way. Other old warbands have generally been more or less replaced by something new in a similar design space.

*From a gameplay point of view. If someone doesn't want to play Underworlds because they can't play Skaven or whatever, that's fair I guess.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 01:21

Tiny Chalupa: Feb 14, 2012

Schadenboner posted:

Space Marine was my first 40k-verse game and the huegness of the battles still shape my idea of what it "should" look like. Might explain why I was always a little on 40k-the-game even though I love 40k-the-setting because reading through NetEpic scratches an itch I didn't even realize I had anymore!

Yeah once Warhammer went away from blocks of warriors I stopped all together outside of specialist game. I liked the bigger battles and giant waves of men grinding things out
Actually getting an order in to build up some Epic 30k armies has me stoked in ways I haven't felt in ages. Shipping from the UK is kind of a bitch but meh

# ? Apr 9, 2021 04:09

BaronVanAwesome: Sep 11, 2001; I will never learn the secrets of "Increased fake female boar sp..."

Never say never, buddy.
Now you know.
Now we all know.

The "problem" with a bunch of these older/specialist systems is there's no way I could convince my friends to start up an army for Epic/Warmaster/whatever, which means if I ever want to play I need to collect 2+ armies.

This is fun in itself but it's getting expensive. Blood bowl only "needing" one box to get a new team started makes that possible for friends to try.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 04:11

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Not going to lie 99% of my interest in an AT starter set is directly from having an epic 40k warlord titan back in the day. If AI has a thunderhawk model don't tell me.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 05:45

Virtual Russian: Sep 15, 2008

BaronVanAwesome posted:

The "problem" with a bunch of these older/specialist systems is there's no way I could convince my friends to start up an army for Epic/Warmaster/whatever, which means if I ever want to play I need to collect 2+ armies.

This is fun in itself but it's getting expensive. Blood bowl only "needing" one box to get a new team started makes that possible for friends to try.

Epic isn't that bad honestly, I built a bare bones IG army for like $250, but I did then pour that into it again to really spruce it up. Currently getting a Ork force for friends that are interested but won't buy. Still much cheaper for BB or Necro.

Schadenboner posted:

Space Marine was my first 40k-verse game and the huegness of the battles still shape my idea of what it "should" look like. Might explain why I was always a little on 40k-the-game even though I love 40k-the-setting because reading through NetEpic scratches an itch I didn't even realize I had anymore!

I got into epic after 40k, but I feel you, Epic just feels right.

berzerkmonkey posted:

I'm going to counter this by saying that, especially on infantry, you're not really going to get that shading effect on something that small, and the white you'll have to cover the black with will just add another layer to a model with detail that you can't afford to cover. In my experience, starting with white (unless a black model, duh) and using lighter colors then a wash works really well for shading small scale models.

I will definitely agree with the other statements, and reiterate that you'll want to go lighter than you think you need to - grimdark doesn't really work so well at that scale. Bright and contrasty works great.

If you have access to an airbrush, that's really going to help with thin coats. If not, just make sure your paints are properly thinned.

100% this. I "prime" white, paint in bright colours, and then wash the whole thing with a darkish grey. Don't try to paint all the details, paint important stuff and wash should help pick out the fine stuff.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 05:55

berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

Crackbone posted:

I cannot imagine Old World is going to be anything like original Warhammer Fantasy. They killed it because of low sales. Plus it being Forge-World aligned means a lot of resin (ick).

If they run it like HH, low sales won't matter as much, because everything will be inflated to FW levels of pricing. And, they can do limited runs of the old Empire kits with resin upgrades. Or, who knows? Maybe it will be a hit like AT or NM and it will warrant a more regular product line.

That being said, a WM/15mm scale game *should* be the course they're charting.

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

Warmaster Revolution is the community version that incorporates the improvements from Warmaster Ancients. Combine that with cheap 3d printed models and it's an excellent game to get into. And a surprisingly robust online community.

This. There are more and more small scale options available these days. At the rate GW is going, a lot of the designers are going to have full product lines by the time Old World gets out of the gate.

Giant Ethicist posted:

The good thing is there's absolutely no reason to do so*. Design improves every season, and all you really get for tracking down an OOP warband, in general, is something that's probably relatively janky compared to current-season warbands. Like, Mollog is good in the current meta, but part of why he's good is because he's kind of poorly designed and breaks the game in an often un-fun way. Other old warbands have generally been more or less replaced by something new in a similar design space.

*From a gameplay point of view. If someone doesn't want to play Underworlds because they can't play Skaven or whatever, that's fair I guess.

This was another point I was going to bring up, but I was rambling a bit earlier. The older warbands, while cool, just don't tend to hold up as well in the current meta. Some are still good (Spiteclaw) but a lot of others are going to get trounced.

Virtual Russian posted:

I got into epic after 40k, but I feel you, Epic just feels right.

I think part of the reason is because you can actually put an army on the table and maneuver and make tactical decisions and have options. You don't get this with 40K - it's "put down your models, move once (maybe), and now you're in a firefight/H2H." IMO, that isn't fun at all.

One of the things that has stuck with me over the years is GW saying that a game of 40K is essentially one, single Assault Phase of an Epic game. I always thought that was a pretty drat cool way of looking at it.

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Moola: Aug 16, 2006

berzerkmonkey posted:

One of the things that has stuck with me over the years is GW saying that a game of 40K is essentially one, single Assault Phase of an Epic game. I always thought that was a pretty drat cool way of looking at it.

I dare someone to play a game of epic, but every time you you want a unit to engage another unit you have to play a game of 40k with the same models

kind of like the Age of Wonders videogames if you ever played that?

# ? Apr 9, 2021 13:01

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Moola posted:

I dare someone to play a game of epic, but every time you you want a unit to engage another unit you have to play a game of 40k with the same models

kind of like the Age of Wonders videogames if you ever played that?

This, but do it with =][= 54.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 13:10

Moola: Aug 16, 2006

Schadenboner posted:

This, but do it with =][= 54.

every time a 40k squad engages another unit, you switch to inquisitor 54mm

# ? Apr 9, 2021 13:54

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Moola posted:

every time a 40k squad engages another unit, you switch to inquisitor 54mm

Like when they yell "Enhance" at an already blocky-rear end picture on :doink:

but it works.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 14:17

berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

Moola posted:

every time a 40k squad engages another unit, you switch to inquisitor 54mm

And then, once you begin an encounter in Inquisitor, you have to switch to a full roleplaying session.

Joking aside, this was actually mentioned by GW - you started off a game with BFG, went to Epic, then finished with 40K. Sounds cool in theory... but no. Just no.

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 9, 2021

# ? Apr 9, 2021 18:52

Chainclaw: Feb 14, 2009

Weren't there some rules in a late 8th edition book for running Kill Team games between turns of 40k to influence the 40k game? Something like the Kill Teams were happening in orbit on a space station or ship or something, and the results would impact what was happening on the ground in the bigger battle.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 19:03

BaronVanAwesome: Sep 11, 2001; I will never learn the secrets of "Increased fake female boar sp..."

Never say never, buddy.
Now you know.
Now we all know.

berzerkmonkey posted:

Joking aside, this was actually mentioned by GW - you started off a game with BFG, went to Epic, then finished with 40K. Sounds cool in theory... but no. Just no.

Yooooo come on, this would kick so much rear end if you could link it all together.

My brother has all the BFG stuff and I need to figure out how to barter for it, I've never actually tried it. One of the PC games is on Gamepass though.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 19:28

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

Moola posted:

I dare someone to play a game of epic, but every time you you want a unit to engage another unit you have to play a game of 40k with the same models

kind of like the Age of Wonders videogames if you ever played that?

Those might be pretty dang big games of 40K, you can have a *lot* of dudes and vehicles in an engagement.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 21:00

Tiny Chalupa: Feb 14, 2012

berzerkmonkey posted:

And then, once you begin an encounter in Inquisitor, you have to switch to a full roleplaying session.

Joking aside, this was actually mentioned by GW - you started off a game with BFG, went to Epic, then finished with 40K. Sounds cool in theory... but no. Just no.

Ages ago, we combined BFG with Epic 40,000 in a system wide battle. We drafted up rules for different "important" parts on planets for reinforcement, building new ships etc. etc.
Wish I could find what we drafted or find someone else rules to combo it all together. It was fun as hell. We had a massive WAAAAGH(I led the Orks at the time) against Space Marines. The fleets were Ork vs Imperial for sake of not using the expansion poo poo for BFG

Did some massive all tank battles and just. Yeah. Memorable as all hell

# ? Apr 9, 2021 22:05

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

I think I've seen BFG -> 40K for cinematic boarding actions.

# ? Apr 9, 2021 22:06

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

If you're in Australia, the preorders for the new AT battle force of 1 warlord, 1 nemesis (I think), 1 reaver and two war hounds went live. GW has the price at $310 aud. mperor has it listed for $228, but it might be a pricing error as they have base price $265 down to $228.

E: I think the titans don't have spare weapon options in the battle force?

Eediot Jedi fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Apr 10, 2021

# ? Apr 10, 2021 03:45

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Eediot Jedi posted:

If you're in Australia, the preorders for the new AT battle force of 1 warlord, 1 nemesis (I think), 1 reaver and two war hounds went live. GW has the price at $310 aud. mperor has it listed for $228, but it might be a pricing error as they have base price $265 down to $228.

E: I think the titans don't have spare weapon options in the battle force?

play mini titans with me tommo

# ? Apr 10, 2021 05:12

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

You're just trying to gateway me into 30k, I know what you're up to.

(Yes I got the titans I really wanted a warlord and a warhound just for display)

# ? Apr 10, 2021 08:34

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Eediot Jedi posted:

You're just trying to gateway me into 30k, I know what you're up to.

# ? Apr 10, 2021 08:49

MeinPanzer: Dec 20, 2004; anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

Just received my copy of Cursed City. Upon first inspection the minis are even more gorgeous than they appeared to be in the previews, and they�re actually finer and more detailed than I thought they would be. The one disappointment is Radukar, the big baddie, whose model is pretty bland.

Can�t wait to get assembling today!

Btw, there�ve been reports of some third party sellers with stock accepting orders at a discounted price and then sending emails to purchasers informing them of a �pricing error� and requesting more money. Total Cards in the UK actually ended up requesting �60(!) more before they could fulfill their orders. So if you�re looking to pick it up right now, just be cautious where you buy your copy from.

# ? Apr 10, 2021 10:05

xtothez: Jan 4, 2004; College Slice

Well I'm almost �200 lighter, but after stalling for a year my second Legio is well underway. Also pleased to see the discounted maniple box comes with extra command terminals and weapon cards.

After seeing a couple of recommendations I'm trying out an ebay store that sells classic custom parts, gonna have some old-school Warhounds:

# ? Apr 10, 2021 10:53

xtothez: Jan 4, 2004; College Slice

Eediot Jedi posted:

E: I think the titans don't have spare weapon options in the battle force?

You get a few options but not everything. Warhounds come with 2 of each weapon, the Reaver has 3 arm weapons to pick from and these are interchangeable with the Warbringer arms too.

# ? Apr 10, 2021 11:15