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It doesn't matter anyway with regards to electrical safety, it's not 400 V live DC at all times. It has to go through a little dance of detection and testing before it switches on power.
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cakesmith handyman posted:If the question is "are people stupid enough to X" the answer is always "oh Jesus gently caress yes and then some" Given a few weeks ago I had to organise some switch replacements because someone literally shat on them and this evening I'm now wondering how the hell I am going to replace other hardware because it seems a couple of ton was set down on a deliveries server that was in a locked room and there is a huge chip shortage that only lends weight to that "oh Jesus gently caress yes and then some"
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Huh. According to the video from Teslabjørn (and Volkswagen and Continental) the MEB platform actually has sealed drum brakes in the rear. So they actually should be better for EVs since they won't corrode like discs or normal drum brakes.
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Apparently there's rumor (per Yahoo finance...) of the US ev incentive jumping up to 10k and of course applying at point of sale. Tack an msrp cap (maybe even a sliding scale - 45k gets 10k, reduced to like 2-3k at 60k)and we're in business. Edit: saving a click quote:"We are hearing from our contacts in the Beltway that $7,500 tax credit could potentially be $10,000 in terms of a credit and that's going to be a massive catalyst not just for Tesla, but for the EV ecosystem in the U.S.," Ives tells Yahoo Finance Live.
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Hopefully it doesn't exclude model Y in whatever incentive they go with. Outside of a Tesla, nothing on market will reliably let me go to a single vehicle in my area due to the lack of chargers. Until then, I'll keep rocking my Leaf and second car. Maybe I'll replace the second car with something fun and sporty (Miata?) if they get excluded.
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Speleothing posted:What a waste of money. You could have taken your whole family on like 5 nice vacations for that price difference. For me, I'll judge it in the end by how much joy it gives me. The way I think about cost is that I divide the actual cost by the number of times it will make me happy. My benchmark is a Double-Double Animal Style with Animal Style Fries from In-n-Out which always makes me happy. In this case, I'll use it every day for its presumed lifespan of 10 years. I also know that the feeling of acceleration makes me happy. My current daily driver is a 2016 Outback 3.6R which has a flat-six that produces 256hp. It's fun because it has more power you expect it to have. The negative about it is that it has a CVT so the responsiveness to stepping on the accelerator varies a lot based on the situation. I also love the Outback because I find its performance consistent on a wide variety of surfaces. The X is almost identical in size to my Outback, so, minus the engine, it has more storage capacity and certainly more towing capacity. Additionally, the Outback has only 5 seats, so can't drive kids + wife + grandparents in the same car. Finally, with the X, I am really looking forward to the instant acceleration and the insane speed. However, I will be losing some of the Outback's versatility. When it comes to travel, my plan is to use it for lots of weekend road trips with the family. confused fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Westy543 posted:Apparently there's rumor (per Yahoo finance...) of the US ev incentive jumping up to 10k and of course applying at point of sale. This would all be great but its also not going to happen because democrats dont actually have the votes within their own party. Whatever ends up passing will be significantly watered down.
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Elviscat posted:Using the efficiency numbers for the new Hummer I get about 285kWh Rough guesstimate in 2021 with GMs $/kwh price in 2019 of $150 and the 2024 target of $100 makes that a $40k battery 
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Ola posted:It doesn't matter anyway with regards to electrical safety, it's not 400 V live DC at all times. It has to go through a little dance of detection and testing before it switches on power. Its wild that inductive charging systems were developed and deployed to avoid dangerous high tension conductors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTryhfFWnC8&t=153s
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Qwijib0 posted:Rough guesstimate in 2021 with GMs $/kwh price in 2019 of $150 and the 2024 target of $100 makes that a $40k battery Yep! This is why batteries with that much capacity for bigger vehicles are going to be difficult.
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Platystemon posted:Its wild that inductive charging systems were developed and deployed to avoid dangerous high tension conductors. MagneCharge (aka J1773) was neat, if not inefficient. The chargers took the incoming AC rectified it to DC then converted it back to high frequency AC at several Khz. This was inductively coupled to a matching coil on the car side, which converted the high frequency AC back to DC. The communications and control protocol used RF at first, and later IR. But it was 2-way and much more advanced than today's simplistic J1772. This explains the size of the Level 1 charger they grab out of the trunk in that video... It has a lot to do! One of the articles I read on it said they had demonstrated the tech in excess of 50kW. I bet that put out some heat.... stevewm fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Seems like a dealer here in Sweden is doing a 36 month / 45000km lease of the new Fiat 500e base (I presume) version for $234 a month. Don't think servicing or insurance is included (which it sometimes is). Pretty cheap way of owning a car, not to mention an EV.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Seems like a dealer here in Sweden is doing a 36 month / 45000km lease of the new Fiat 500e base (I presume) version for $234 a month. Don't think servicing or insurance is included (which it sometimes is). Pretty cheap way of owning a car, not to mention an EV. With no cash up front?
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Ola posted:With no cash up front? Very sparse info, Seems to be a ton of decent leasing deals now for EVs here in Sweden. Very tempting. Edit: Found info.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Very sparse info, You can lease a Kona for 2995 SEK as well, if you want something with a bit more range.
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Charles posted:Doesn't the 500e suck? I think the new one is quite good actually. The first one had a tiny battery, no DC charging etc.
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Clayton Bigsby posted:You can lease a Kona for 2995 SEK as well, if you want something with a bit more range. Wow yea for 1k SEK more I'd easily go for a Kona. But yeah, drat now I'm looking at teslabjörn videos and this might not end well. When/if I we get an EV it will have to be something that can do long journeys in comfort though. I'm not getting something small (been there, done that) like a 500e unless we need 2 cars (which we don't). I think leasing is the way to go with EVs though (as discussed earlier in the thread). Edit: Yeah I watched some reviews of the new 500e and it seems like they did a whole new car. It's bigger in all dimensions and has different interior, tech etc. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Ola posted:I think the new one is quite good actually. The first one had a tiny battery, no DC charging etc. Oh, turns out that's the only one we got in the U.S., 100% a compliance car.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Seems like a dealer here in Sweden is doing a 36 month / 45000km lease of the new Fiat 500e base (I presume) version for $234 a month. Don't think servicing or insurance is included (which it sometimes is). Pretty cheap way of owning a car, not to mention an EV. You can lease a Hyundai Ionic EV (2020 version) here (California) for $99/mo.
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^^^Yeah but cars are much more expensive here in general. Anyway: Did some quick (tired) generic "bad scenario" maths and since I'll have a 110km total commute at 80-100km/h each day (for 6 months), and most EVs consumtion seems to be around 150-200Wh per KM at that speed (bearing in mind that I'll want AC, heating, pre-heat/cool and all that), it'll likely be daily usage of about 16-22kWh, which would mean charging at least 2 times during the weekdays. There won't be charging at home or at work, so I'll have to rely on quick chargers which seem to charge about 4-5 SEK (~$0.50-0.60) per kW. My current car does 0.64 on a very bad day at 110 on gas only, so I'll go with that for the calculation. Should be a saving of about $60 a month by going on expensive electricty, expensive gas and bad consumtion of the PHEV. I can go shopping for a maximum of 2 hours at my local store and charge for 2 hours (11kw/h chargers) for free. We usually do a weeks shopping every weekend and can go for walks to drag it out. We usually do this anyway to go to different stores. There are plenty of fast-ish chargers in my city as well, so should be fine for the weekday charges. There are 50kW/h chargers on the way home from work. Only one IONITY 350kW/h charger here though, and it's not in a convinient place for work. After 6 months I'll very likely go back to bicycling to work, so I doubt doing a big chuck of km early will matter much in the end. Might do some road trips in Europe as well. Will have to fit a pram in the future as well. Sounds reasonable?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I personally think you're going to make yourself miserable without having charging at either work or home. I agree 100% with this. EVs should be better/more convenient overall than ICE vehicles. I think it's better to wait until charging at home or work becomes available.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This would all be great but it’s also not going to happen because democrats don’t actually have the votes within their own party. Whatever ends up passing will be significantly watered down. I hate that this is true 
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Are there any announced EVs coming this year that should make me question pulling the trigger on a Niro EV sometime this month? It has to be under 15' in length (which eliminates most options including every Tesla) and as far as I'm aware the only upcoming one that fits would be the Chevy Bolt EUV, which doesn't seem to offer anything special over the Niro and wouldn't get the existing tax credit assuming nothing happens to change it.
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MrOnBicycle posted:
Are there any slow charging spots near you where you could leave the car overnight? This is a good site for that: https://www.uppladdning.nu/ Also, 50 kW chargers often have a Type 2 which you can leave the car at without blocking the DC. If you need to rely on fast charging alone, go for the biggest battery you can comfortably afford. Kona 64 kWh should be good. Ionity is also very expensive if you don't have a VW.
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nessin posted:Are there any announced EVs coming this year that should make me question pulling the trigger on a Niro EV sometime this month? It has to be under 15' in length (which eliminates most options including every Tesla) and as far as I'm aware the only upcoming one that fits would be the Chevy Bolt EUV, which doesn't seem to offer anything special over the Niro and wouldn't get the existing tax credit assuming nothing happens to change it. If you can squeeze a bit more, the Ioniq 5 is 15.2 feet per Wikipedia and if is as promised, quite a good new car. Otherwise, if you're in the US, your options are a bit more limited. I like the supercruise option of the Bolt, but the limited charge rate is really disappointing.
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confused posted:For me, I'll judge it in the end by how much joy it gives me. The way I think about cost is that I divide the actual cost by the number of times it will make me happy. My benchmark is a Double-Double Animal Style with Animal Style Fries from In-n-Out which always makes me happy. In this case, I'll use it every day for its presumed lifespan of 10 years. I also know that the feeling of acceleration makes me happy. My current daily driver is a 2016 Outback 3.6R which has a flat-six that produces 256hp. It's fun because it has more power you expect it to have. The negative about it is that it has a CVT so the responsiveness to stepping on the accelerator varies a lot based on the situation. I also love the Outback because I find its performance consistent on a wide variety of surfaces. The X is almost identical in size to my Outback, so, minus the engine, it has more storage capacity and certainly more towing capacity. Additionally, the Outback has only 5 seats, so can't drive kids + wife + grandparents in the same car. Finally, with the X, I am really looking forward to the instant acceleration and the insane speed. However, I will be losing some of the Outback's versatility. When it comes to travel, my plan is to use it for lots of weekend road trips with the family. More people should measure happiness with hamburgers.
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confused posted:For me, I'll judge it in the end by how much joy it gives me. The way I think about cost is that I divide the actual cost by the number of times it will make me happy. My benchmark is a Double-Double Animal Style with Animal Style Fries from In-n-Out which always makes me happy. In this case, I'll use it every day for its presumed lifespan of 10 years. I also know that the feeling of acceleration makes me happy. My current daily driver is a 2016 Outback 3.6R which has a flat-six that produces 256hp. It's fun because it has more power you expect it to have. The negative about it is that it has a CVT so the responsiveness to stepping on the accelerator varies a lot based on the situation. I also love the Outback because I find its performance consistent on a wide variety of surfaces. The X is almost identical in size to my Outback, so, minus the engine, it has more storage capacity and certainly more towing capacity. Additionally, the Outback has only 5 seats, so can't drive kids + wife + grandparents in the same car. Finally, with the X, I am really looking forward to the instant acceleration and the insane speed. However, I will be losing some of the Outback's versatility. When it comes to travel, my plan is to use it for lots of weekend road trips with the family.
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Silly Burrito posted:More people should measure happiness with hamburgers. Maybe not quite good enough to top the current thread subtitle but I'm stealing dis for the chat thread.
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ilkhan posted:Huh. My wife loves her Outback but also fell hard for the X she test drove. Let us know how that transition goes for you. When I was first considering trading in my Model 3 I was going to go for an outback XT, test drove it, liked it, but the X had better storage, driving feel, electric still (big plus), and a few other minor things like clearance, etc. I found a good deal on a pre-owned X 100D that came fully loaded.
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Silly Burrito posted:More people should measure happiness with hamburgers. I am a man of simple pleasures.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Maybe not quite good enough to top the current thread subtitle but I'm stealing dis for the chat thread. 
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nessin posted:Are there any announced EVs coming this year that should make me question pulling the trigger on a Niro EV sometime this month? It has to be under 15' in length (which eliminates most options including every Tesla) and as far as I'm aware the only upcoming one that fits would be the Chevy Bolt EUV, which doesn't seem to offer anything special over the Niro and wouldn't get the existing tax credit assuming nothing happens to change it. The new Kia looks pretty awesome. That being said, I love my 2020 Kia Niro EV.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:A bit off topic but thanks for this, I am at the juncture of having to make an important financial decision and this is really helping me think through it better. Glad I could help!
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