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syntaxrigger posted:I think it is only supposed to be 2 problems? I haven't clicked the link yet. i dont know why you're so worried about doing the puzzles just practice a few of them with whatever site you want (maybe advent of code or leetcode or project euler) it is just a way of thinking that you have to practice in order to pass coding interviews. I strongly believe that working at a place that doesn't do coding tests is probably really, really shite; so you should absolutely learn this skill.
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also most coding puzzles are fun when you're doing them in a chill environment
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Apr 9, 2021 19:51
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bob dobbs is dead posted:sellin yourself has its own internal structures of credit assignment. "i am excited by solving problems" works great if you can back it up with high-profile famous problems you solved, or like if you drill down on a specific problem you're a maniac about. "im frontend guy" is less risk less reward. you took the risk, you got bopped in the head for it, that's how risks go I never really thought about it in terms of risk. I guess I just need to go all in on something and shore up the skills to back it up which feels like more time at this lovely job while coding in my off time  Maybe writing programs can be fun if I do it for me, I dunno. Maybe I resent being gate kept because I am not good enough at programming to pass the gate or whatever. I dunno this poo poo sucks.
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Apr 9, 2021 19:55
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Corla Plankun posted:also most coding puzzles are fun when you're doing them in a chill environment the most important thing about "chill environment" is "consequencefree environment" so its a bit late for that advice
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Corla Plankun posted:also most coding puzzles are fun when you're doing them in a chill environment I do remember a time when puzzles were fun. It seems like a long time ago with a lot less negative baggage around programming. I guess programming was more exciting when I thought I could be part of a community of not-assholes building cool poo poo. I don't even know if this exists. syntaxrigger fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 19:56
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also you’re supposed to do them in about 30-45 minutes for a “leetcode medium” or hard problems and with clarification of the problem statement. the “leetcode easy” problems are ones that you might get multiple of but even then it’s more like 10min each. some companies are actually straight up using the leetcode difficulties and putting time limits on those difficulties, there’s some discussion on the leetcode forum about it.
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syntaxrigger posted:Any goon strats on preparing for the useless skill of the interview coding test? that "cracking the coding interview" book is pretty decent for this
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HappyHippo posted:that "cracking the coding interview" book is pretty decent for this this, but the main thing is not being lazy like me and actually coding those problems in it for real it's less about thinking and more about getting the muscle memory in yes it's stupid, but that's how it is
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just got a recruiting email from a company that "puts domain names on the blockchain to make websites resistant to censorship" and is "backed by the Ethereum and Zilliqa foundations"; its a record for number of red flags
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Step 1: Put domain names on the blockchain Step 2: ??? Step 3: Resist censorship
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Apr 10, 2021 00:42
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Corla Plankun posted:I strongly believe that working at a place that doesn't do coding tests is probably really, really shite; so you should absolutely learn this skill. does “probably” mean that you’ve never actually done it and are speculating? because none of the jobs i’ve had have done leetcode-style coding tests and none of them were “really, really shite,” or even had problems that i can imagine a coding test solving
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Apr 10, 2021 00:42
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I've only worked at 5-6 places but the one that didn't have a coding test hired a dude who literally had no idea how to write code at all and didn't turn in a single ounce of work the entire time he worked there. no idea what his deal was but he worked there for two months and literally didn't do a single thing, he was on a performance improvement plan on like day 6 lol probably means i'm extrapolating from there that you're more likely to work with a really useless dev if there isn't a timed/live coding test as part of the process
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Apr 10, 2021 01:13
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all the real figgie paying places seem to use them
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hobbesmaster posted:all the real figgie paying places seem to use them yeah this is it they put a floor, even if its a really really low floor. there are peeps living on this damned earth who cant do fizzbuzz
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you can get a long way with google and copy/paste from snackoverflow
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Apr 10, 2021 01:17
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I think coding tests are fine but takehomes suck a whole lot especially really long ones, like fine I'll do it but thanks for ruining my weekend and it's not like the company learns much more than they would from a timed/live test, if anything possibly less since you can put a ton of effort into it and do it even if you know nothing about what you're supposed to be doing on the job
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Apr 10, 2021 01:34
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i am drawing a distinction between making sure candidates can fizzbuzz and making them do poo poo you have to specifically study things like ctci for
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Apr 10, 2021 01:42
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Amazon sent me a multi page study guide for their test. I told them I was no longer interested. It did amuse me that the last page was all links to articles about how great Amazon was.
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You've got to start giving them back a takehome test. "8 hour programming task, no problem, I just need to make sure this is the kind of place I'd like to work <questions list from the op>"
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Apr 10, 2021 05:24
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kdrudy posted:Amazon sent me a multi page study guide for their test. I told them I was no longer interested. I’m pretty sure those study guides are just the recruiters. you don’t even need to know the pillars or anything if you’re familiar with behavioral interviewing and the basics of business.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:36
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kdrudy posted:Amazon sent me a multi page study guide for their test. I told them I was no longer interested. There’s plenty wrong with Amazon but I think giving every candidate a study guide is a good way to equalize candidates with different backgrounds who have a different level of knowledge about what a faang interview entails. If you’ve already read Cracking you don’t need the guide.
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Private Speech posted:I think coding tests are fine but takehomes suck a whole lot *Short* take home tests based on the actual code you'll be writing (e.g here's some of our code, fix this bug/refactor it/add this small feature) are my fave, both as the candidate and the interviewer. As a candidate you can work how you would on the job, and as the interviewer you've got way more scope for chatting about their code.
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dividertabs posted:There’s plenty wrong with Amazon but I think giving every candidate a study guide is a good way to equalize candidates with different backgrounds who have a different level of knowledge about what a faang interview entails. If you’ve already read Cracking you don’t need the guide. it is a solution to a problem that ought not to exist. faangs have the resources to figure out how to make interviewing not suck rear end.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:03
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah this is it they also tend to bias pretty heavily towards young, childless folks which is exactly the type of unencumbered candidate these places want to exploit, i mean hire
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Apr 10, 2021 14:51
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Lol my old job figured out that I was looking for work and fired me. Gave me 3 months severance though. Let’s hope this one joint I just wrapped interviewing with works out so I can get double paid for a few months.
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I'm curious how they found out, if you don't mind sharing?
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Probably inferred it from looking at my calendar availability or something. I don’t think they’re poo poo enough to use third party recruiters to see who is available for work on LinkedIn but I also wouldn’t put it past them.
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they also were not stupid enough to say that they’re firing me for looking for other work, they just said that it’s obvious I’m not happy there.
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Apr 10, 2021 16:21
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buttchugging adderall posted:they just said that it’s obvious I’m not happy there. lmao
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Corla Plankun posted:I've only worked at 5-6 places but the one that didn't have a coding test hired a dude who literally had no idea how to write code at all and didn't turn in a single ounce of work the entire time he worked there. We had a code challenge, he failed it, and we still hired him. And then he didn't deliver any code for like 6 months and said he was taking classes. that dude was such a confident liar. Looking back, that poo poo was hilarious
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it occupies a surprising amount of real estate in my brain to this day i can't imagine how either one of these non-dev devs thought their grift would turn out; maybe they thought they would office space their way to upper management before anyone noticed they couldn't write
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i think theres a weird level of sublimity to it that entrances the memory. i will think of that one dude who called me a chink while i was interviewing him once every two months or so for the rest of my life or at least my career "if you wanna be a programmer you have to go learn how to program" "do not call your interviewer racial slurs" yes these too are not known universally
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re: people not knowing how to program i think they assume they'll pick it up on the job. especially if they're used to kinda getting thrown in the deep end and it working out. mostly that happens when people think they're getting thrown in the deep end, but actually the "deep end" is a carefully crafted college course that goes over the fundamentals to make sure that nobody's left out.
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buttchugging adderall posted:they also were not stupid enough to say that they’re firing me for looking for other work, they just said that it’s obvious I’m not happy there. tbh this seems like fair play from them, 3 months isn’t nothing and once an employee starts actively looking elsewhere it’s really hard to un-burn them out Corla Plankun posted:it occupies a surprising amount of real estate in my brain to this day i think there’s a shadow employment world out there where nobody is expected to actually do anything productive at any point. this would explain both the guy we interviewed who had 20 years of experience yet refuses to believe that recursion even existed and the various corporate websites i’m sure we’ve all used that have failed to even sniff at basic functionality for years
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i think theres a weird level of sublimity to it that entrances the memory. i will think of that one dude who called me a chink while i was interviewing him once every two months or so for the rest of my life or at least my career What do you even do in this situation? Do you end it right there cause obviously that's a no hire and might as well not continue, or move forward for the sake of 
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Corla Plankun posted:it occupies a surprising amount of real estate in my brain to this day but like, that's sort of not your problem unless this person reports to you someone else being bad at their job shouldn't affect your performance and if they're able to extract a bundle of cash from idiots before they're found out then good for them
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ADINSX posted:What do you even do in this situation? Do you end it right there cause obviously that's a no hire and might as well not continue, or move forward for the sake of
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i decorumed and stopped paying attention and told the story to the panel upon which we rejected him w great prejudice
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sorry that happened to you, thats really lovely
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Blinkz0rz posted:someone else being bad at their job shouldn't affect your performance and if they're able to extract a bundle of cash from idiots before they're found out then good for them in the case of my particular illiterate dev there was two or three senior devs who paired with him and met with him constantly, he was a huge burden
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