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Eej posted:I'm just saying, you're probably not going to get a lot of sympathy from people who had to deal with "container truck full of dead bodies" for a summer. Makes me think of Toronto Star running an article a week ago saying Canadians have vaccine envy as though people have memories lasting 2 weeks and completely have forgotten what a shitshow 2020 was. Maybe not, but it's how a lot of the rest of the world feels at the moment, he can vent if he wants. Having gotten this far only to see your country sliding down the slope makes people angry and frustrated.
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Apr 11, 2021 22:39
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SlowBloke posted:This is what happens in Italy, there are two branches of police which coverage mundane stuff and a third one (Carabinieri) with military training that gets called for hard stuff(including overseas policing ops with the army). Yeah that’s the model I’m thinking of, or Gendarmes in France. With it being a Title 32 force you could leave it nominally under state control outside of federal mobilizations under Title 10 for foreign service. Governors or large city mayors could have some operational control over things on a day to day basis while the military (i.e. going through NGB or whatever channels under DoD) would be responsible for training/equipping/administrative + disciplinary stuff. Regardless of Title 32/10 status, write the law so they’re subject to UCMJ at all times. TLDR: you build a new national police force with uniform standards/training + subject to UCMJ under the National Guard. Also I would imagine this force being pretty small since most day to day police calls would be taken over by non-armed first responders anyway.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:27
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Y'all reinvented SWAT.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:41
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I call my solution, Cops 2
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Apr 11, 2021 23:48
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Wasabi the J posted:Y'all reinvented SWAT. Ah, but federal! So... FBI HRT.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:55
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Based on what reasonable, even good Marines I knew would start posting on Facebook once they became cops, every year more sadistic and antagonistic to common society, I don't think training is the problem. Culturally cops see themselves as an occupying force on hostile streets, protectors of a decadent and unworthy public.The only solution is weakening the institution overall, shifting cop money into other avenues. From a diminished state they might fix themselves or might not, but they can at least do less harm. My own city has pumped huge amounts of money and training on our cops, and they're worse and more contemptuous of the pubic than ever.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:08
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Last time I discussed this in depth, I landed on, if you were going to do a federal police system the best bet may be ripping off Goldwater Nichols a bit and having the federal side stick with the 'man, train, and equip' function, with local governments providing operational directives. The benefit here is with rotating deployment system and a UCMJ of authority, stuff a cop does in one region, even if following orders, can haunt them later and the methods of policing can be enforced with clear guidance on following federal requirements and turning down orders when they violate federal regulations. Biggest new downside I see there is a competition that is similar to geographic combatant commanders, with every region saying they need more and more money or forces, but that's no different than it is already. Of course, this hasn't been aggressively discussed, so I'm sure there are weaknesses in that idea I haven't considered yet.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:08
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Best Friends posted:Based on what reasonable, even good Marines I knew would start posting on Facebook once they became cops, every year more sadistic and antagonistic to common society, I don't think training is the problem. Culturally cops see themselves as an occupying force on hostile streets, protectors of a decadent and unworthy public.The only solution is weakening the institution overall, shifting cop money into other avenues. From a diminished state they might fix themselves or might not, but they can at least do less harm. My own city has pumped huge amounts of money and training on our cops, and they're worse and more contemptuous of the pubic than ever. There is no "the" problem. There are many problems, some dependent on other problems for their existence, some not. Training cops to see every person around them as a target and to treat them as such is "A" problem.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:33
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Best Friends posted:Based on what reasonable, even good Marines I knew would start posting on Facebook once they became cops, every year more sadistic and antagonistic to common society, I don't think training is the problem. Culturally cops see themselves as an occupying force on hostile streets, protectors of a decadent and unworthy public. Watch "End of Watch" to see exactly how american cops view themselves. It'sa pure blue lives fanfic propaganda film, right down to cops taking off their badges to fistfight gangbanger tough guys to earn their respect.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:57
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Wasabi the J posted:Y'all reinvented SWAT. Except instead of every other cop gearing up like they're SWAT, the idea is that they're the only ones with guns while regular beat officers are disarmed. e: Also accountability and standards. Federal law enforcement has plenty of issues, but if every local department that wanted to deploy armed cops had to deal with federal standards and oversight that would be an improvement. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 01:10
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Twin cities police killed someone during a traffic stop earlier so expect things to get crazy in Minnesota earlier than expected.
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Apr 12, 2021 01:13
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A while back, there was a goon who was a Chicago cop in the '60s and had a thread about his experiences, with an emphasis on how corrupt it all was. There were two questions and responses that stuck with me—quote:I was the one that asked about the Chicago Police in the other thread... I'm still considering applying, because if you really look at how police departments have changed in the last 30 years, the prospects of things being different are good in my opinion... but if they aren't, I can always leave after a few years and go work somewhere else. I've got some time yet to get more info about the department before I apply, so no rush. quote:I hope that it has changed but I don't underestimate the difficulty of changing a closed culture like that without first firing everyone and starting over. Each new class leaves the academy, is scattered throughout the city and each begins to learn the 'way it really is'. If they have somehow managed to change I'd love to know how but never will. I never will because no serving cop would every tell the things I've told. Only a year or so after leaving I met a vice-cop I'd not known before at a party and started talking to him. In spite of my having only been gone a year, I was not one of them anymore. He swore up and down that he'd never seen any corruption at all. I just smiled and said I understand and walked away. quote:Now that you've experienced all this, do you have any insight as to how little league corruption like this could be stamped out? quote:None. Obviously the emphasis in these questions/responses was on corruption, but racism and brutality are almost certainly the same way. Generations of cops have been trained to think to shoot first and project authority, and the institutional culture has been baked in to a level that would make it almost impossible to eradicate without an extremely thorough sweep, which would be almost impossible for any municipality to actually undertake. Changing police training and ejecting David Grossman into the sun would help, but reforming policing in America is going to be a long, painful road no matter how it happens.
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Apr 12, 2021 01:16
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orange juche posted:Would the coke addict Rob Ford have done any better though? He would have done nothing far more rapidly
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Apr 12, 2021 01:25
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Watch "End of Watch" to see exactly how american cops view themselves. It'sa pure blue lives fanfic propaganda film, right down to cops taking off their badges to fistfight gangbanger tough guys to earn their respect. It's not just one movie. I don't think even the military, that other unimpeachable institution for the authoritarians in this country, has as many tv shows and movies that are basically dedicated to sucking them off. At least sometimes anti-war movies are attempted
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Apr 12, 2021 01:32
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Copaganda is pretty much the most watched television in this country
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Apr 12, 2021 01:34
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Copaganda is pretty much the most watched television in this country Its basically all CBS shows.
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Apr 12, 2021 01:38
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hobbesmaster posted:Twin cities police killed someone during a traffic stop earlier so expect things to get crazy in Minnesota earlier than expected. https://twitter.com/DPet_KARE11News/status/1381393419713527808
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Apr 12, 2021 01:56
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Anti-mask protest starting to get spicy in Montreal right now, anti-maskers saying a few thousand people with more attempting to reach but blocked by the cops. CBC saying a few dozens. https://twitter.com/cclementyy/status/1381408994468724739?s=20 (This guy is an anti-masker) Haven’t had a good riot in a while, we used to get them almost monthly.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:11
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hobbesmaster posted:Twin cities police killed someone during a traffic stop earlier so expect things to get crazy in Minnesota earlier than expected. From what I am hearing he was pulled over for having an air freshner hanging from his rear view mirror (fake edit I guess there was a warrant?). The first time I had ever been pulled over was in MN for having my blue chord (yeah i know shutup) hanging from my rear view mirror. I was driving on a fairly busy two lane street and pulled off to a side road and I got grilled for that for some reason. Cop was mad, I had my hazards on the entire time though so whatever. Unicorn Riot is covering this on Youtube.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:11
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Acebuckeye13 posted:A while back, there was a goon who was a Chicago cop in the '60s and had a thread about his experiences, with an emphasis on how corrupt it all was. There were two questions and responses that stuck with me— Tokaii, right? That was a great thread.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:12
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Copaganda is pretty much the most watched television in this country pluto tv has a channel of 24/7 COPS reruns and it's gripping viewing because holy poo poo, these are the calls they cherry pick because they think it makes them look good
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Apr 12, 2021 02:15
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FrozenVent posted:Anti-mask protest starting to get spicy in Montreal right now, anti-maskers saying a few thousand people with more attempting to reach but blocked by the cops. CBC saying a few dozens. Apparently today was going to be a massive White Lives Matter protest/riot day in the USA https://twitter.com/CatherineKimNY/status/1381401235404771329 Thus the use of the word "apparently". The chudfucks really need an organizing force like Trump calling the shots or they can't really turn out.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:24
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Love they've dropped all pretense with the language
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Apr 12, 2021 02:30
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shame on an IGA posted:Tokaii, right? That was a great thread. He did two or three threads and they were all fascinating. It was just too bad he made some gross posts that were kind of defending a MMO player who was severely creeping on teenage girls and got banned for it. The cop thread.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:40
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fuuuck I did not think that was 16 years ago
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Apr 12, 2021 02:42
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It happened. Again. https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1381392498916876288?s=20
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Apr 12, 2021 02:54
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Midjack posted:He did two or three threads and they were all fascinating. It was just too bad he made some gross posts that were kind of defending a MMO player who was severely creeping on teenage girls and got banned for it. Oh yeah didn’t he mention being assigned undercover to anti-civil rights protesters, so he was probably the only goon who threw a rock towards MLK?
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Apr 12, 2021 03:01
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Oh yeah didn’t he mention being assigned undercover to anti-civil rights protesters, so he was probably the only goon who threw a rock towards MLK? Yeah his first assignment was to infiltrate the local American Nazi Party group and in one of the threads someone found a photo of George Lincoln Rockwell on a march that also had Tokaii walking beside him holding a sign.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:02
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spinning the cop worship dial to 11 https://twitter.com/gregkellyusa/status/1381395949545734145 https://twitter.com/TransEvolutions/status/1381406237837959170
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Apr 12, 2021 03:04
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I'll take "Reasons I'm desparately keeping both hands as far outside the car as possible" for $2000, Alex
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Apr 12, 2021 03:06
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It's depressing that there is never a time when this isn't relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMIUy_ySA4 Especially 1:32.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:08
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shame on an IGA posted:fuuuck I did not think that was 16 years ago Yeah, they were some really neat threads. Apparently he's passed away since then.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:11
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shame on an IGA posted:I'll take "Reasons I'm desparately keeping both hands as far outside the car as possible" for $2000, Alex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf5KZSADDhg
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Apr 12, 2021 03:15
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Yeah, they were some really neat threads. Apparently he's passed away since then. That's too bad but not really a surprise, he'd be pushing 90 today and he mentioned a number of health issues. RIP to a real one.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:17
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Let's see how Gutfeld! is doing after its first week: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1381306085898870792 ...clearly having the host write the comedy when he has no business doing so and repeating the same joke the first three days doesn't work.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:20
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Bye. https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1381427099748114434 Hope every single one of their pullovers and reports get examined by the state. He'll probably get hired by some other department though.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:21
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The thing I hadn't seen yet was the black guy who refused to leave the convenience store because he knows horny-for-murder cops when he sees them. "There's nothing I can do for your eyes." Horseshit. They just took water from the convenience store less than 50 feet away that almost assuredly has milk and Maalox in it. There's also no way that rig doesn't have some kind of Maalox in it. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 03:23
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facialimpediment posted:Bye. How long until his union gets him reinstated?
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Apr 12, 2021 03:25
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Zero but he'll have a job at another department in the county within the month
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Midjack posted:He did two or three threads and they were all fascinating. It was just too bad he made some gross posts that were kind of defending a MMO player who was severely creeping on teenage girls and got banned for it. Holy poo poo I was loving there Also lol at 2005 me wanting to hear my relative's "cool" cop stories
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