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Anyone watch akame ga kill? I'm told the good guys are revolutionaries against an imperialist empire
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Apr 11, 2021 17:53
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https://twitter.com/ebifly857/status/1381056727345291265#m
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Apr 11, 2021 18:32
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Dreddout posted:Anyone watch akame ga kill? I'm told the good guys are revolutionaries against an imperialist empire The upper class in Akame ga kill treats the lower class as animals to be enslaved and tortured for amusement. I dropped the series after the nth time that it looks like things are going to move forward and then the author said "nope, here's another Ginyu Force of random nobodies you don't care about who we're going to spend the next 20 chapters fighting."
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Apr 11, 2021 18:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUx0pqA80UU greatest mecha franchise of all time.
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Apr 11, 2021 18:44
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Dreddout posted:I assume it's organized along the lines of reichswerke, a state owned conglomerate that exists to manufacture military equipment while enriching zeon's industrialists gihren assassination plan (good manga btw) goes into how side 3 is actually controlled by family zaibatsus so powerful they literally control the colony's weather and what happens when one of them turns against the zabis to cooperate in an operation valkyrie style plot
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Apr 11, 2021 18:52
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I don't know if anyone did a marxist analysis of living in a fully artificial environment, but it's not exactly the same as living on earth. Tomino randomly mentions it in shows every once in a while but the colony environments are very precarious and need to be controlled. There's probably a lot of subsistence labour being done by the colonists to survive, not just paid wage labour. The whole situation is probably closer to feudal serfdom, especially with ruling families like the Zabis.
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Apr 11, 2021 19:00
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If you haven't read Inside Mari, it's a loving trip Basic premise is, schlubby loser guy lives in his own filth, lies to his parents about going to college, and spends all day playing video games, depressed. The only highlight of his day is going to the convenience store and stalking a pretty high school girl as she walks home. Until, one morning, he wakes up in her body. Suddenly, he has to consider her as an actual human being, with a family, friends, and a life, and not as simply an idealized vision he stares at from afar, and her life (and life as a girl in general) is quite different from what he expected. It's a quite horrible subversion of that cliched harem comedy trope of the protagonist getting stuck in the lead girl's body, played 100% straight, and to good effect. It's by Shuzo Oshimi, famous for Happiness, Flowers of Evil, and Blood on the Tracks, so, if you're familiar with any of those, you know the kind of psychological horror manga this is.
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Apr 11, 2021 19:07
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Lostconfused posted:I don't know if anyone did a marxist analysis of living in a fully artificial environment, but it's not exactly the same as living on earth. We see a lot of colony life, though, throughout the series and it's depicted as mostly the same as any real capitalist city, and if not the city you're seeing a literal mining facility. It's not like they're forcing regular people to like repair the hull, that's handled by professionals who work for the Colony Company. Food is grown on the rings outside the colony probably by another private entity. I'm sure they have to follow certain regulations and guidelines like no smoking and proper recycling or whatever, but the actual day-to-day survival of everyday people is centralized. Tomino talking about it being fragile just means it's literally fragile. Like you lose that centralized command center or like you get a hole in the wall (or the Titans dump a bunch of poison gas into your enclosed tube), then yeah, catastrophe. Now some places are like deindustrialized shitholes like Judau's colony from ZZ and the overcrowding of Sweetwater in Char's Counterattack. You might argue the worst ones could be considered closer to Company Towns. But yeah, this is still just capitalism. Only exception is Moon Moon, which is weird and like a complete outlier. I don't even know how their environment hasn't completely collapsed.
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Apr 11, 2021 19:25
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Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood is good and extremely shitlib
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Apr 11, 2021 22:26
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Stairmaster posted:famously apolitical series gundam 0079 UC may be political but it has a degree of abstraction that allowed certain people to ignore it a-la the “Wow cool robot” meme. 00 though had stuff blatantly about current events like the forever war in the Middle East.
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Apr 11, 2021 22:39
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0079s first episode is a criticism of the american military presence in okinawa
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Apr 11, 2021 22:42
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Stairmaster posted:0079s first episode is a criticism of the american military presence in okinawa Okinawa isn't in space. Checkmate Communists!
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Apr 11, 2021 22:55
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Even the smallest bit of abstraction is enough for many people to convince themselves something isn’t political. Add to that that most people watching 00 were not even born when 0079 came out and it’s easy to see certain people complaining about “adding” politics to gundam. Remember how many people complained about “adding” politics to the Star Wars prequels despite the fact A New Hope has an entire scene where characters sit around a conference table and discuss the political issues raised by the films plot?
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Apr 11, 2021 23:09
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galagazombie posted:It's a common recurrence in a lot of speculative fiction where the writers understand Liberalism just isn't going to work and is responsible for the Space, Elf, or Space-Elf Fascists gaining traction, but because we've all been indoctrinated to reject anything left-wing out of hand, all the story can do is shrug its shoulders and embrace this kind of nihilism about what to do about it. Like UC Gundam can never really have a protagonist who's part of a Left-Wing movement that wants to overthrow both the Federation and the current iteration of Neo-Neo-Neo Zeon. Unicorn came pretty close but yeah not quite.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:13
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You're never going to have materialist analysis come out of a show where the conflict's gordian knot is inevitably cut by literal magic
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Apr 11, 2021 23:16
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Pulcinella posted:Whelp just started season two of Gundam 00 and its entertaining, but this show really is just starting to poo poo itself. Beerfesting a character back to life has got to be the dumbest plot point in any Gundam series. Should have just made Sanji Crossroads the new sniper. Also Hulu doesn’t translate the location names or on screen text in the sub or dub. Usually you can figure it out based on context, but not always. The only good thing in season two of Gundam 00 is it has a character named Hank Hercules.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:16
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Flavius Aetass posted:You're never going to have materialist analysis come out of a show where the conflict's gordian knot is inevitably cut by literal magic literal magic can’t solve the actual material contradictions in Gundam, which is why it’s trapped in its endless cycle of wars between mostly the same factions.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:24
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Also when they tried to make the Jupiter faction into the main villains, it really didn't work, so they went right back to Zeon.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:26
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Mecha Gojira posted:literal magic can’t solve the actual material contradictions in Gundam, which is why it’s trapped in its endless cycle of wars between mostly the same factions. right but its liberal analysis is highly individualistic and thus ends in neat little segments centered around the main characters of each series
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Apr 11, 2021 23:28
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Flavius Aetass posted:right but its liberal analysis is highly individualistic and thus ends in neat little segments centered around the main characters of each series Yeah, it's just undercut by the fact that there's a next series, and there's always another dead girlfiend.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:30
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A mass of lovely mass produced mobile suits overwhelming and crushing a heavily customized state of the art Gundam like a swarm of ants is something I could see happening in the original Gundam, and maybe the 80's Gundam shows, but it completely goes against the aesthetics of modern day Gundam, so I don't think we're going to see a communist faction in modern day Gundam any time soon.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:40
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Clip-On Fedora posted:A mass of lovely mass produced mobile suits overwhelming and crushing a heavily customized state of the art Gundam like a swarm of ants is something I could see happening in the original Gundam, and maybe the 80's Gundamn, but it completely goes against the aesthetics of modern day Gundam, so I don't think we're going to see a modern day Gundam any time soon. Modern Gundam has fully embraced "We are Toy Commercial," I think. We haven't had a new AU series since Iron Blooded Orphans, right? We HAVE had three-four Build show in that time.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:45
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Mecha Gojira posted:Modern Gundam has fully embraced "We are Toy Commercial," I think. We haven't had a new AU series since Iron Blooded Orphans, right? We HAVE had three-four Build show in that time. It was always a toy commercial to a degree, but yeah, its full on toyetic nowadays. I watched the first season of Iron Blooded Orphans and really enjoyed it. Still somewhat hesitant get into the second season. Probably not good for the longevity of the brand if they have had so much Build shows.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:54
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They should remake Gundam Wing. It's message of "drones are bad" is much more relevant today.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:57
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Lostconfused posted:They should remake Gundam Wing. It's message of "drones are bad" is much more relevant today. It rules that Turn A Gundam exists and undercuts Wing's "and there was never a war fought by a giant robot ever again" ending. Corrin Nander's archetype of the Evil Gundam is the Wing Zero.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:03
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Clip-On Fedora posted:A mass of lovely mass produced mobile suits overwhelming and crushing a heavily customized state of the art Gundam like a swarm of ants is something I could see happening in the original Gundam, and maybe the 80's Gundam shows, but it completely goes against the aesthetics of modern day Gundam, so I don't think we're going to see a communist faction in modern day Gundam any time soon. when in doubt, base your power fantasy on the feudal logic of being arbitrarily assigned an investment of training and material support amounting to an insurmountable advantage over 99.5% of enemies, then make having won the fight before you were even conceived look impressive
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Apr 12, 2021 00:06
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Treize Khushrenada was a depraved aristocrat who didn't think war was any fun unless real people were dying. That was the only reason he opposed the Mobile Dolls. He loved war because it allows him to get his jollies killing people while retaining his good standing as a gentleman. The Mobile Doll program threatened that lifestyle, so it had to go. He's such a subtly repulsive piece of poo poo. That's what makes him one of my favorite Gundam villains.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:07
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Treize Khushrenada was a depraved aristocrat who didn't think war was any fun unless real people were dying. That was the only reason he opposed the Mobile Dolls. Treize rules because he realized that about himself, and so he decided to Suicide By Gundam. Too bad that suicide was also supposed to be such a bloody battle that it was to scare the Earth Sphere into never fighting a war ever again, just based on the insane number of casualties alone. Just like, every Leo he could get his hands on and as many soldiers as could pilot them. Anyway there was another war by next Christmas.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:10
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Mecha Gojira posted:It rules that Turn A Gundam exists and undercuts Wing's "and there was never a war fought by a giant robot ever again" ending. Corrin Nander's archetype of the Evil Gundam is the Wing Zero. Turn A is the ur-Gundam since it ties together all Gundam serieses, so obviously the message of Turn A is the message of the franchise as a whole. The message is that you should abandon society and go live in the woods with the queen of the moon.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:44
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Lostconfused posted:I don't know if anyone did a marxist analysis of living in a fully artificial environment, but it's not exactly the same as living on earth. Mecha Gojira posted:We see a lot of colony life, though, throughout the series and it's depicted as mostly the same as any real capitalist city, and if not the city you're seeing a literal mining facility. It's not like they're forcing regular people to like repair the hull, that's handled by professionals who work for the Colony Company. Food is grown on the rings outside the colony probably by another private entity. I'm sure they have to follow certain regulations and guidelines like no smoking and proper recycling or whatever, but the actual day-to-day survival of everyday people is centralized. Tomino talking about it being fragile just means it's literally fragile. Like you lose that centralized command center or like you get a hole in the wall (or the Titans dump a bunch of poison gas into your enclosed tube), then yeah, catastrophe. Now some places are like deindustrialized shitholes like Judau's colony from ZZ and the overcrowding of Sweetwater in Char's Counterattack. You might argue the worst ones could be considered closer to Company Towns. But yeah, this is still just capitalism. In Reconguista in G the colonies are falling apart. In one you see a house built inside a little depression that's actually in the colony wall and was created when the interior wall collapsed. It's not an economic analysis, just the fact that artificial environments can't exist forever.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:48
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How many separate Gundam universes are there?
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Apr 12, 2021 00:51
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Lostconfused posted:They should remake Gundam Wing. It's message of "drones are bad" is much more relevant today. Wasn't 00 basically that?
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Apr 12, 2021 00:55
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Flavius Aetass posted:How many separate Gundam universes are there? If you accept Turn A's position that all Gundams take place in the same universe, 1. But practically speaking there's 1: Universal Century. The main one. The original Gundam, Zeta Gundam, Thunderbolt, Unicorn, etc are all in this one. Plus Reconguista in G way later 2: Future Century. G Gundam 3: After Colony. Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz 4: After War. Gundam X 5: Cosmic Era. Gundam Seed, Destiny, and Astray 6: Anno Domini. Gundam 00 7: Advanced Generation. Gundam AGE 8: Post Disaster. Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans 9: Gundam Build, presumably also taking place in the Anno Domini calendar but not in the Gundam 00 Universe 10: Gundam Build Divers: Same as above 11: Gundam Build Real: Same as above There's also some random poo poo like the SD Sangokuden stuff, but thats not really worth listing.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:56
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Toph Bei Fong posted:If you haven't read Inside Mari, it's a loving trip Everything Shuzo Oshimi creates is an intense as hell read and I love it.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:58
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Flavius Aetass posted:How many separate Gundam universes are there? honestly someone who can't even say how many gundam timelines there are has no business commenting on its politics imo
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Apr 12, 2021 01:04
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Gripweed posted:In Reconguista in G the colonies are falling apart. In one you see a house built inside a little depression that's actually in the colony wall and was created when the interior wall collapsed. It's not an economic analysis, just the fact that artificial environments can't exist forever. Real economic analysis of the colonies is like who do we actually see do maintenance on the colonies, and ZZ, CCA, and Victory all show it's basically individual private contractors with leased or owned equipment (specifically, space robots). Like any time you see a civilian with a weird mobile suit trying to attack the Gundam, that's Killdozer poo poo. But yeah, neoliberalism in the colonies is basically at the point where even the most essential of basic maintenance is being farmed out to the lowest bidder who's now trying to pay off the robot that he got on credit.
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Apr 12, 2021 01:36
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Toph Bei Fong posted:If you haven't read Inside Mari, it's a loving trip is this the bagel girl thing?
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Apr 12, 2021 01:43
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How well has the original Gundam aged?
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Apr 12, 2021 01:45
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Depends how well you can stomach the lack of budget (it's not as bad as jojo season 1)
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Feldegast42 posted:How well has the original Gundam aged? I rewatched the movie trilogy a couple weeks ago and had a good time. 
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