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Gorn Myson posted:New TrueAnon is a conversation with Michael Judge about the new Adam Curtis.  m.s.j loving owns and i want him to go on trueanon more. i saw him ripping on adam curtis on twitter for the last week and was wondering what was up with that.
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Xaris posted:HELL YES What's his issue with curtis? I'm not on twitter
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Apr 12, 2021 03:21
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Isn't Mike Judge a Republican?
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Apr 12, 2021 03:26
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different Mike judge I believe
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Apr 12, 2021 03:27
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now i'm picturing Hank Hill talking about Adam Curtis.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:33
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Holy poo poo the trueanon intro this week is perfect
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Apr 12, 2021 05:31
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Vitamin P posted:Philosophy Tube is such a piece of poo poo holy poo poo. What happened E. Nevermind it's weird terf poo poo Deified Data has issued a correction as of 05:41 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 05:37
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uber_stoat posted:now i'm picturing Hank Hill talking about Adam Curtis. do ah look like ah know what a neoliberal media dialectic is??
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Apr 12, 2021 05:51
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Shipon posted:Holy poo poo the trueanon intro this week is perfect i don't see the episode on epstein feed
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Apr 12, 2021 05:54
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some plague rats posted:What's his issue with curtis? I'm not on twitter the trueanon episode goes into it more with actual depth. as they said, curtis is the dying DMT vision of someone who has read and memorized every newsweek cover, and that's the only reading material they ever had. a large quilt someone bought on ebay stitched together from every newsweek cover. a naive idiot who takes everyone at their word. Xaris has issued a correction as of 06:16 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 06:13
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that's really coming out swinging when all the other lefty pods seemed to need to have the curtis guy on
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Apr 12, 2021 06:18
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grieving for Gandalf posted:that's really coming out swinging when all the other lefty pods seemed to need to have the curtis guy on also larry is right (free larry ffs) Larry Parrish posted:it's because adam curtis is for liberals who feel bad about being supportive of the brutality inherent in our society, and not leftists op I had got distracted and didn't finish the chapo curtis episode, but it felt like a whole lot of nothing of actual substance (mlmp). what else did he go on?
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Apr 12, 2021 06:31
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hypernormalization was tight but this one bored me
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Apr 12, 2021 06:37
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R. Mute posted:I checked out the War Nerd today and is it always just three hours of them not talking about the subject the show's supposed to be about? I listened to the Years of Lead one and it was just them talking about coronavirus in Italy, gun control in America and if Trump was just like Berlusconi or not. lol i always click a radio war nerd title thinking "drat this is something i've always wanted to learn about" and then they spend the next 45 minutes talking about the history of town names in northern ireland
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Apr 12, 2021 06:37
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Xaris posted:someone had to do it. i honestly only watched the first two episodes of his docu-essay thing, and not really familiar with much of his previous work. i think he has access to some v nice footage that he's reasonably decent at putting together, but msj and liz are right. he was on red scare first iirc
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Apr 12, 2021 06:38
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Xaris posted:It's really not that interesting to post, but just saying he sucks and is boring as hell and that curtis is a self-admitted neocon. https://twitter.com/corpseinorbit/status/1375340411095552005 That's an insanely on point description of him and I love it, unlike those tweets, which are so tedious as to be hateful in my eyes Bitter Lake and Machines of Loving Grace are good but I haven't enjoyed anything since then and every podcast ep with him has been boring
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Apr 12, 2021 06:53
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The Curtis interview with Chapo this time was notably less, spirited? enthusiastic? or maybe just interesting than the one they did after Hypernormalisation. I respect Curtis as a filmmaker but much less as a thinker and he's not a historian, there's a reason he identifies as a journalist. I think his obvious blind spots and elisions make his work interesting and frustrating. He's useful for asking yourself questions (in this way I think he is correct to say this latest one uses characters and stories like a 19th century novel), but I think maybe he's been too eagerly embraced as a maker of leftist agitprop when that isn't his goal or mindset. If anyone is interested in listening to another hour on his work I thought this podcast episode on him was interesting. https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/the-film-comment-podcast-cant-get-you-out-of-my-head/
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Apr 12, 2021 07:05
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some plague rats posted:That's an insanely on point description of him and I love it, unlike those tweets, which are so tedious as to be hateful in my eyes I'll see if i can watch those earlier works because I'm overall not that familiar outside of what he's been on podcast wise and his new docu-essay series that took the internet-sphere by storm. i love msj's work overall and his chemistry with brace and liz is pro-tier(see their spider network episodes as some of the finest that trueanon has ever produced) and almost wish he was a third co-host, but they're already too powerful as a duo that it's not necessary
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Apr 12, 2021 07:31
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Atrocious Joe posted:I may be hallucinating this, but didn't in 2017 a bunch of c-list DSA podcasters have a retreat and then release a wannabe Port Huron statement. https://twitter.com/malloy_online/status/1088557313189801984?s=19
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Apr 12, 2021 09:09
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Did any of those papers come out lol. Also war nerd usually has timestamps in the ep description so you can skip current day stuff if you want
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Apr 12, 2021 09:33
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Figureheadism must be universally rejected. Falling in line behind politicians without question only makes us another liberal non-profit rather than a nexus of leftist organizing. Healthy skepticism and distance between our organization and candidates seeking our endorsement allow us to remain independent, avoiding the pitfalls of other organizations that ‘hitch their cart to a horse
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Apr 12, 2021 09:37
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Adam Curtis says that he's just telling stories, and I don't think he's being glib, that's literally what he believes. He is also clearly making stuff about neoliberalism but can't come out and say or he'd never get stuff made by the BBC (who have already cut his funding loads) There was a good Politics Theory Other on it recently (listen to PTO it's a good rear end podcast) https://m.soundcloud.com/poltheoryother/hypercurtisisation-w-owen-hatherley-juliet-jacques-and-alberto-toscano
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Apr 12, 2021 10:10
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curtis rules beause he's a mood (or a vibe as the kids say) and i roll my eyes when he reads stuff uncharitably or his views on ussr because the way he tells his stories are engaging to me, basically the montages and monotone voice the worst thing though is how his best work, hypernorm, was apparently outright copied from a russian philosopher or critic? Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 10:23 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 10:15
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bedpan posted:Figureheadism must be universally rejected. Falling in line behind politicians without question only makes us another liberal non-profit rather than a nexus of leftist organizing. Healthy skepticism and distance between our organization and candidates seeking our endorsement allow us to remain independent, avoiding the pitfalls of other organizations that ‘hitch their cart to a horse more to the point: Between those who command those who obey there is only hate. Even the "best" politician should be harassed and abused by their constituents as a matter of course, not merely on moral principle, but as a practical tactic to discourage them becoming too comfortable with the institutions they're now part of.
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Apr 12, 2021 10:32
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xtal posted:To change the subject to good podcasts from actual activists: a new episode of Behind the Bastards is out today. They're free if you can believe it! "good deeds inside the US might be used to mask very evil deeds elsewhere" i had already came around after seeing some of robert evans' public opinions on international politics, but this lays out it incredibly starkly and I would highly recommend you listen to both parts in the entirety. Shipon posted:Holy poo poo the trueanon intro this week is perfect made me cackle like a maniac
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Apr 12, 2021 10:44
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Honest Thief posted:the worst thing though is how his best work, hypernorm, was apparently outright copied from a russian philosopher or critic? it was; Baloogan linked it once, but I can't remember it, other than it included a definition of something that arose from the Perestoika condition known as a "stiob"
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Apr 12, 2021 10:55
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Honest Thief posted:curtis rules beause he's a mood (or a vibe as the kids say) and i roll my eyes when he reads stuff uncharitably or his views on ussr because the way he tells his stories are engaging to me, basically the montages and monotone voice yeah https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Yurchak
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Apr 12, 2021 12:19
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Honest Thief posted:curtis rules beause he's a mood (or a vibe as the kids say) and i roll my eyes when he reads stuff uncharitably or his views on ussr because the way he tells his stories are engaging to me, basically the montages and monotone voice if by "copied" you mean that he didn't invent the concept of "hypernormalization" then you're right
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Apr 12, 2021 12:21
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Xaris posted:I totally agree, tweeting is not a positive attribute that msj rolled at all and tis best that no one uses it. It's probably an awful contrarian take but I think All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace might be his best. It probably seems a little obvious now but at the time it was unsettling. Excellent subject matter for his weirdly hypnotic style I am also personally opposed to anything that dilutes the Brace/Liz dynamic some plague rats has issued a correction as of 12:43 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 12:41
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the gist i got was he cribbed the whole concept and not so much even name drop the author, not that he plagiarized the whole movie
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Apr 12, 2021 12:42
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dang I was hoping for a low-fi russian hypernormalization documentary
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Apr 12, 2021 12:51
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https://twitter.com/tracyalloway/status/1381521834856734721?s=19 Here we go
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Apr 12, 2021 13:15
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from that thumbnail zizek about to drop fire
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Apr 12, 2021 13:23
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Honest Thief posted:from that thumbnail zizek about to drop fire or just dropped two hotdogs
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Apr 12, 2021 13:30
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Honest Thief posted:the gist i got was he cribbed the whole concept and not so much even name drop the author, not that he plagiarized the whole movie I can't say I remember him dropping the name, but he definitely makes it clear hypernormalization as a concept was birthed in Russia and not something he's come up with.
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Apr 12, 2021 13:42
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Honest Thief posted:the gist i got was he cribbed the whole concept and not so much even name drop the author, not that he plagiarized the whole movie
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Apr 12, 2021 14:27
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ok, back on being curtispilled, curtisilled
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Apr 12, 2021 14:41
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Whats the deal with limonov anyway? The adam curtis documentary trigger a pretty big baader-meinhoff effect with me so I keep running across people talking about him and its made me interested in reading his book about how america sucks
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Apr 12, 2021 15:07
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I rewatched all of his past work recently before watching Can't Get You Out of my Head and Curtis is making a coherent point across all of it, but I understand why "watch dozens of hours of stuff so it's coherent" isn't appealing
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Joementum posted:I rewatched all of his past work recently before watching Can't Get You Out of my Head and Curtis is making a coherent point across all of it, but I understand why "watch dozens of hours of stuff so it's coherent" isn't appealing Oh so NOW watching a cinematic universe isn't appealing?
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