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tokin opposition: Apr 8, 2021; I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

sure, ya'll talking about seizing the means of production all the time and all but i got a soldering iron with free 2 day shipping. makes u think

# ? Apr 12, 2021 08:44

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# ? May 24, 2024 15:58

Boywhiz88: Sep 11, 2005; floating 26" off da ground. BURR!

Sanguinary Novel posted:

The real leftists go to Cub foods

(you're right though, loving Targets every five foot)

The Midway Cub Foods has a sign by the registers w CUB as an acronym for Consumers United in Buying or something similar. Just loving weird.

At least they�re unionized though!

# ? Apr 12, 2021 08:53

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

gay_crimes posted:

while we are moralizing and acting like terminally online idiots, what is the most evil corporation? ExxonMobil, Nestle, Monsanto, DuPont, Philip Morris and Halliburton come to mind for me as being more evil than Amazon but I�m probably missing some obvious ones. of course this is dumb to assign morality to a corporation but lol

It's a close race between any company that manufactures weapons and the vehicles that deliver them, and any company that processes fossil fuels.

The way Amazon is run is certainly evil but it's core service is logistics - their service would have potential use in a socialist future if nationalized, whereas fossil fuels and weapons of war have no moral right to exist.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 09:23

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Arguably fossil fuels had a right to exist as a stage in human development (which we should've transcended a long drat time ago for obvious reasons) whereas weapons of war have always been not cool. And there you could still make a gradation where everything that is more clearly useful for imperialist goals rather than actual defense is more evil. But let's be clear, it's all hosed.

I also think companies existing chiefly to facilitate exploiting slave labour deserve a mention here. So private prisons for example.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 10:27

human garbage bag: Jan 8, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Orange Devil posted:

Arguably fossil fuels had a right to exist as a stage in human development (which we should've transcended a long drat time ago for obvious reasons) whereas weapons of war have always been not cool. And there you could still make a gradation where everything that is more clearly useful for imperialist goals rather than actual defense is more evil. But let's be clear, it's all hosed.

I also think companies existing chiefly to facilitate exploiting slave labour deserve a mention here. So private prisons for example.

those private prison companies give valuable work experience to those prisoners, just like unpaid internships

# ? Apr 12, 2021 10:35

Bert Roberge: Nov 28, 2003

https://twitter.com/nickbonyhady/status/1381480446140108800

# ? Apr 12, 2021 11:24

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

"trialing employee rights for workers" lmao

# ? Apr 12, 2021 11:41

Abongination: Aug 18, 2010; Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.; Pillbug

Very excited for 160 posts....

Oh..

..oh no

# ? Apr 12, 2021 12:07

Preen Dog: Nov 8, 2017

indigi posted:

nobody loves Amazon prime you absolute dipshit

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Baking flour is cheaper than the grocery store, I don't have to leave the house, and I get a free box.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 15:20

Empress Brosephine: Mar 31, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

For being the .png thread there sure is alot of .txt in these past few pages

# ? Apr 12, 2021 15:40

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

Empress Brosephine posted:

For being the .png thread there sure is alot of .txt in these past few pages

And yet your post is made of text. Very curious, (i'm very intelligent).

# ? Apr 12, 2021 16:33

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxNGPCBn1k

# ? Apr 12, 2021 16:56

actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

Sanguinary Novel posted:

The real leftists go to Cub foods

(you're right though, loving Targets every five foot)

I don't go to Target for food as much, more just like... all that other poo poo that you can easily get in one place

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:14

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Video is a kind of png right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqh4hlo24bU

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:21

human garbage bag: Jan 8, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

spacetoaster posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxNGPCBn1k

lol not one but TWO attempted rape scenes

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:29

i am harry: Oct 14, 2003

Preen Dog posted:

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Baking flour is cheaper than the grocery store, I don't have to leave the house, and I get a free box.

this is a good summary of the fundamental problems we�re facing.

�my convenience is nice and I don�t see the horrors that must exist for it to be, :shobon:

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# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:39

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Doesn't the whole strategy of pushing for individual action/conservation just serve capital interests by drawing attention away from problems on an institutional level? Straws, 2 minute showers, carpooling in electric cars, etc are all feel good gestures that let the big players off the hook.

I'm not saying we should throw up our hands and not try to make better decisions. But focusing too much on individual choices just tracks too closely with the whole 'personal responsibility' rhetoric in the US that holds us back. Amazon isn't some nasty conglomerate simply because some libs are too lazy to shop elsewhere. Water consumption is a good example of this-people in drought prone areas are told to conserve water through various methods. We pat ourselves on the back when residents make a significant reduction in domestic water consumption. Yet if domestic consumption itself only makes up a tiny fraction of overall demand, what are the big guzzlers doing to help exactly? After all, arguing about two minute showers isn't going to have nearly as big of a gross impact as say almond growers or mining companies are going to have.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:42

human garbage bag: Jan 8, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Panfilo posted:

Doesn't the whole strategy of pushing for individual action/conservation just serve capital interests by drawing attention away from problems on an institutional level? Straws, 2 minute showers, carpooling in electric cars, etc are all feel good gestures that let the big players off the hook.

I'm not saying we should throw up our hands and not try to make better decisions. But focusing too much on individual choices just tracks too closely with the whole 'personal responsibility' rhetoric in the US that holds us back. Amazon isn't some nasty conglomerate simply because some libs are too lazy to shop elsewhere. Water consumption is a good example of this-people in drought prone areas are told to conserve water through various methods. We pat ourselves on the back when residents make a significant reduction in domestic water consumption. Yet if domestic consumption itself only makes up a tiny fraction of overall demand, what are the big guzzlers doing to help exactly? After all, arguing about two minute showers isn't going to have nearly as big of a gross impact as say almond growers or mining companies are going to have.

tragedy of the commons, etc.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:47

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Panfilo posted:

Doesn't the whole strategy of pushing for individual action/conservation just serve capital interests by drawing attention away from problems on an institutional level? Straws, 2 minute showers, carpooling in electric cars, etc are all feel good gestures that let the big players off the hook.

I think straws are different in one important way: in a lot of places regulations are getting passed about them, which is the actual important thing that we need to do. Like yeah it's a drop in the bucket but like, some kind, any kind, of regulation against disposable plastic garbage is good and sets an example for future efforts to get rid of more.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:50

Biplane: Jul 18, 2005

Panfilo posted:

Doesn't the whole strategy of pushing for individual action/conservation just serve capital interests by drawing attention away from problems on an institutional level? Straws, 2 minute showers, carpooling in electric cars, etc are all feel good gestures that let the big players off the hook.

I'm not saying we should throw up our hands and not try to make better decisions. But focusing too much on individual choices just tracks too closely with the whole 'personal responsibility' rhetoric in the US that holds us back. Amazon isn't some nasty conglomerate simply because some libs are too lazy to shop elsewhere. Water consumption is a good example of this-people in drought prone areas are told to conserve water through various methods. We pat ourselves on the back when residents make a significant reduction in domestic water consumption. Yet if domestic consumption itself only makes up a tiny fraction of overall demand, what are the big guzzlers doing to help exactly? After all, arguing about two minute showers isn't going to have nearly as big of a gross impact as say almond growers or mining companies are going to have.

Individual action is meaningless. The only real and workable solution is global, violent revolt against the capitalists destroying us. This will never happen.

# ? Apr 12, 2021 17:57

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ekuNNN has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Sep 29, 2021

# ? Apr 12, 2021 18:33

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; Can't post for 4 hours!

actionjackson posted:

I don't go to Target for food as much, more just like... all that other poo poo that you can easily get in one place

lol. just lol

# ? Apr 12, 2021 18:57

actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

indigi posted:

lol. just lol

what is lol

target employees are at least allowed to use the bathroom normally

# ? Apr 12, 2021 19:50

BonHair: Apr 28, 2007

ekuNNN posted:

lmao look at this capitalist. Get on my level and only buy from worker-occupied factories and liberated territories via your local anarchist store

That's the wrong png for this thread, let me help you with some real market driven coffee prices:

(Take your guess about changes in production costs. Also take your guess as to the profitability of growing coffee)

# ? Apr 12, 2021 20:42

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

remember that the 'carbon footprint' was a BP marketing push

# ? Apr 12, 2021 20:54

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

actionjackson posted:

what is lol

target employees are at least allowed to use the bathroom normally

Their freight drivers aren't able to do that any more than any of the other freight drivers who have been pissing in jars for literally years to make their timetables

# ? Apr 12, 2021 23:50

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Solving capitalisms over here -> https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/

# ? Apr 12, 2021 23:51

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Target's anti-union stuff is a lot more overt too, like Amazon does the "gosh we love unions, just not here because they're not a good fit" bullshit where Target comes right out and makes employees watch videos that are like "Unions are terrible and any benefit they once delivered is now enshrined in law so they're just there to cause problems"

Also Amazon warehouse workers make more money and have better benefits lol

In conclusion, gently caress

# ? Apr 12, 2021 23:53

tokin opposition: Apr 8, 2021; I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

the only ethical way to make money is Nigerian prince scams on boomers and the only ethical way to spend it is on drugs

# ? Apr 12, 2021 23:57

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

tokin opposition posted:

the only ethical way to make money is Nigerian prince scams on boomers and the only ethical way to spend it is on drugs

wait so gettin paid from venture capital is ethical???

# ? Apr 12, 2021 23:58

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Target was selectively "Target"ed in looting last year partly because of their draconian anti theft measures; they used the South Minneapolis area as a test range for their new cop poo poo because it's near their headquarters and because gosh would you just look at the racial demographics of that particular area vs the typical target shopper demo

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:00

fatelvis: Mar 21, 2010

Biplane posted:

Individual action is meaningless. The only real and workable solution is global, violent revolt against the capitalists destroying us. This will never happen.

I'd think that if you managed to convince enough people to make a significant difference via their consumer choices - you'd almost certainly have gotten more mileage by convincing them to do more direct action instead.

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:05

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

fatelvis posted:

I'd think that if you managed to convince enough people to make a significant difference via their consumer choices - you'd almost certainly have gotten more mileage by convincing them to do more direct action instead.

Companies will engineer new ways to lie to you about how ethical your choices are faster than you will do research on labor and climate justice issues and identify "less bad" alternatives to make them more ethical. Consumer choice is a fool's game outside of the bare minimum of not shopping at the "shoot protesters in the head" / "we want everything to be worse and roll around in our own poo poo" coffee company etc.

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:13

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

Biplane posted:

Individual action is meaningless. The only real and workable solution is global, violent revolt against the capitalists destroying us. This will never happen.

there are some individual actions that aren't entirely meaningless, but i don't feel like getting a visit for posting them

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:14

The Nastier Nate: May 22, 2005; All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!; Yams Fan

Shame Boy posted:

Target's anti-union stuff is a lot more overt too, like Amazon does the "gosh we love unions, just not here because they're not a good fit" bullshit where Target comes right out and makes employees watch videos that are like "Unions are terrible and any benefit they once delivered is now enshrined in law so they're just there to cause problems"

Also Amazon warehouse workers make more money and have better benefits lol

In conclusion, gently caress

Otoh none of the people I know that worked at target had to piss in bottles

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:23

actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

Shame Boy posted:

Target's anti-union stuff is a lot more overt too, like Amazon does the "gosh we love unions, just not here because they're not a good fit" bullshit where Target comes right out and makes employees watch videos that are like "Unions are terrible and any benefit they once delivered is now enshrined in law so they're just there to cause problems"

Also Amazon warehouse workers make more money and have better benefits lol

In conclusion, gently caress

is wearing a diaper a benefit

# ? Apr 13, 2021 00:58

Abongination: Aug 18, 2010; Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.; Pillbug

actionjackson posted:

is wearing a diaper a benefit

10% off adult diapers!

# ? Apr 13, 2021 02:18

The Bloop: Jul 5, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Abongination posted:

10% off adult diapers!

Mine are already 50% off :forkbomb:

# ? Apr 13, 2021 02:38

Inceltown: Aug 6, 2019

https://twitter.com/venturecommunis/status/1382021419144470530

# ? Apr 14, 2021 03:40

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# ? May 24, 2024 15:58

animist: Aug 28, 2018

https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/punishment-can-be-key-incentive-exercise

Charlotte Hilton Anderson posted:

Punishment Can Be a Key Incentive for Exercise

Positive reinforcement for working out may be a dead end, say researchers who found that punishment can incentivize behavior better than rewards

Workout motivation is a hot topic these days and, if Instagram, Pinterest, and Facebook are any indication, treat days, finish line medals, and other rewards are the most popular methods. But if you're still not sticking to your goals, you might need fewer "carrots" and more "sticks"-a new study found punishment is more motivating for people than positive reinforcement. Call it 50 Shades of Grey, gym style. (Here's another 22 Ways to Stay Motivated to Lose Weight.)

Researchers from Washington University in St. Louis asked students to play a boring, random computer game, then gave them monetary incentive for answering correctly and a monetary consequence for answering wrong. You'd think gaining money would be a huge motivation, and the scientists did indeed find that both methods helped improve performance. However, punishment was far more effective than reward-two to three times more incentivizing, in fact.

The researchers say this is because people generally fear the pain of having something taken away from them far more than they like the idea of gaining something they don't yet have. "Objectively, you'd think that winning 25 cents would have the same magnitude of effect as losing 25 cents, but that's not what we find," said lead author Jan Kubanek, Ph.D., a postdoctoral research associate at Washington University School of Medicine, in a press release. "Regarding teaching strategies, our study suggests that negative feedback may be more effective than positive feedback at modifying behavior. From an evolutionary perspective, people tend to avoid punishments or dangerous situations. Rewards, on the other hand, have less of a life-threatening impact."

And this motivation hack could work just as well for your workouts. There's a whole field of psychology called operant conditioning that studies exactly what types of punishments and rewards are most effective, explains Ariane Machin, Ph.D., a licensed therapist and sports psychologist at Francis University. The general consensus is that if you're going to use punishment, it's better to use negative types (where something is taken away, like a monetary fine) rather than positive punishment (where something painful is added, like a spanking).

You can put the whips away. When it comes to punishment, a little goes a long way, notes Kubanek. "Punishment does not have to be harsh, since it appears that we tend to react in the same manner to any amount of negative feedback."

To make this work for you, decide what it is that you'd personally hate to lose-like watching Game of Thrones on time so you can gossip about it at the office the next day.

Pass on food or exercise as the punishment, Machin says. "An individual needs to be thoughtful about what they are using as 'punishers' because they don't want to become demoralized or discouraged," she explains. Using meals or workouts as chastisement can form unhealthy associations, making you hate exercise or even spark an eating disorder. Food, Machin explains, can have loaded consequences when it comes to motivation. Just like overrewarding yourself with a 1,000-calorie smoothie after burning 250 calories on the treadmill won't help you reach your goals, forbidding yourself from eating dessert if you don't log all your training miles will just make you resent running.

If you're unsure what to try, Machin suggests taking a page from the researchers' playbook and using the universal motivator: cold, hard cash.

"Gym Pact [an app that either pays you or deducts real money from your account based on completing your scheduled workouts] boasts an 80 percent exercise adherence rate. Money is motivating, thus workouts are more likely to happen because people do not want to lose their money," she explains. (Also try The Best Healthy Living Apps for Weight Loss.) You can also use the tried-and-true dollar in a jar for every time you hit snooze instead of hitting the gym.

But to really make punishments effective, you must combine them with positive reinforcement, Machin adds. The great thing about exercise it that it's already intrinsically rewarding. "As you work up a sweat, you will experience an improved mood from the endorphin rush, increased feelings of competency, and a stronger body. These are all positive things that will increase the likelihood of someone completing the task again," she says. Machin adds that this is why it's so important to pick exercises that you enjoy and that you can do for a lifetime.

So to maximize workout motivation, start by finding an exercise you love (the reward is built right in!) and then hit yourself where it really hurts (like in the wallet or your Netflix queue) if you don't do it. Add in some friends-they're great for providing both a reward and a punishment, Machin points out-and watch your results skyrocket.

# ? Apr 14, 2021 05:45

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