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More on above but when people talk about "on curve" it's gonna be 18/4, 19/5, 20/6, 21/7... etc. Anything below that honestly isn't worth developing. There can be exceptions if you have like a 19/4 with insane special qualities, but that's really rare.Rapner posted:Going to sit out of trading for at least a week. Releasing 30 hungry goons at once in the market creates a feeding frenzy. I got my 34/12 freekick specialist to continue mentoring my little children, so I'm set. 1.25 million well spent. I'm actually very pleased with how my team is doing; all of my youth investments are developing. 4 of my 7 kids (I have 8, but one's being shipped off) are on curve at 19/5 or 20/6, 2 of my kids are at 19/6, and I have one 19/7. I hope for even better now that my age is going to be slightly less of an issue.
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Fragile as a positive SQ a possibility? I was reading about how Fragile works and apparently it doesn't increase the probability your team gets an injury but instead it doubles the chance that a player with Fragile has of recieving the injury your team was going to get anyway. Wouldn't it make sense then that for your less important older players Fragile is actually a good thing to have as it may protect a better player on the team or a youth from getting injured? Of course an old player getting injured might lead to full on retirement so probably not a good idea on your very best old dudes.
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Dragongem posted:More on above but when people talk about "on curve" it's gonna be 18/4, 19/5, 20/6, 21/7... etc. Anything below that honestly isn't worth developing. There can be exceptions if you have like a 19/4 with insane special qualities, but that's really rare. Worth noting that the curve has shifted since the youth academy changes. Flayer posted:Fragile as a positive SQ a possibility? I was reading about how Fragile works and apparently it doesn't increase the probability your team gets an injury but instead it doubles the chance that a player with Fragile has of recieving the injury your team was going to get anyway. Wouldn't it make sense then that for your less important older players Fragile is actually a good thing to have as it may protect a better player on the team or a youth from getting injured? Of course an old player getting injured might lead to full on retirement so probably not a good idea on your very best old dudes. I love fragile on non-key players, as it's a protection layer to key players like goalies etc
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Rapner posted:Worth noting that the curve has shifted since the youth academy changes. Wait, really? Is it now 18/5 the minimum? I was just recalling from the older days. Flayer posted:Fragile as a positive SQ a possibility? I was reading about how Fragile works and apparently it doesn't increase the probability your team gets an injury but instead it doubles the chance that a player with Fragile has of recieving the injury your team was going to get anyway. Wouldn't it make sense then that for your less important older players Fragile is actually a good thing to have as it may protect a better player on the team or a youth from getting injured? Of course an old player getting injured might lead to full on retirement so probably not a good idea on your very best old dudes. Hah, I didn't realize that, that is hilarious. Every team needs a martyr, I guess.
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I cannot for the life of me buy a decent 30+ yr old defender at a reasonable price. I guess the market is saturated with econ rich goons...
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Why are so many of you buying mid 30s players? I'm a bit confused by this strategy. Is it to balance out your average age giving an opportunity to play your youngsters more? Some of these players will never see another positive CR and some will retire within a season or two. Jive Turkey fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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That’s it exactly, they’re cheap with decent skill and bring the average age up and not losing helps form stay out of the garbage for the kids.
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Youll always get 2 season out of them at least and you need them until your midaged players grow up and the treadmill gets rolling. As for mid 30s instead of 30, price.
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DV also improves more when a player is on the field with others who are more skilled than they are, I think it's up to 3 points higher. So if your best midfielder is skill 7, you'll get the max bonus if you have another midfielder with at least 10 skill. Or something like that. So if you manage to buy a 12 or 13 skill 35-year old, they could be useful for at least 2 seasons. And this also applies to the other team's players. Your young forward will gain more DV playing against a skilled defender, so if you're playing against awful teams then you won't get as much DV. I don't think we'll need to worry about that in RN B, though, drat some of you have some scary teams.
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Jive Turkey posted:Why are so many of you buying mid 30s players? I'm a bit confused by this strategy. Is it to balance out your average age giving an opportunity to play your youngsters more? 4 key reasons: 1. Mentors help DV development in youngsters 2. Having an average age outside the 26-29 range penalises your team on the field. 25 or 30 is ok as well. 3. Winning is nice and rewards in econ in various ways at the end of the season. 4. Penalty takers and FKers are a competition between their keeper and your player - having a cheap high skill ancient player here will reward you with goals
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The way I see it one decent oldie costs anywhere from 3-6 training sessions and is worth more than that for keeping up your youngsters form and development value through average squad age, the mentoring effect and winning games. You don't ever have to train them again so the upfront cost is the full whack compared to a youngster who over time will cost millions in training so the opportunity cost is less than it appears superficially. Or maybe it is better to have a full squad of 18 year olds on constant training until you build a super squad of 26 year olds. I'm sure all kinds of strategies can work.
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Jive Turkey posted:Why are so many of you buying mid 30s players? I'm a bit confused by this strategy. Is it to balance out your average age giving an opportunity to play your youngsters more? Pretty much what was above. With my old 30s folks I could play multiple kids a game. Also open for a friendly this Thursday. I'll go to your place to lose!
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Helpful info, thanks gents. I also just realized looking at the league breakdown it's only 6 teams per group. That'll make for lightning quick seasons, which isn't a bad thing for retention but will make for tight lineup choices imo. I'm open for friendlies all season as well, gotta get these kids some playing time.
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Apr 7, 2021 01:57
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 Okay starting to feel not-terrible about this pile.
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I might have bought six players today. Let's see if it can save my dear Unicorn Power from relegation.
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I thought I was done buying players but I couldn't help grabbing a couple more with lowball bids. Anyway, I won't be able to do this next week so here are the current stats. Never mind the fact the screenshot says 4/13, I'm too lazy to fix it. Ranking of those who have improved the most since the transfer window opened. Walamor and Masonity have been keeping busy!  Ranking of those who have improved the most since the end of last season. Flayer is still the most improved overall with Dragongem right behind him. 
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Sheds of grey 
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ephex posted:Sheds of grey That's mostly a few maybe decent kids we've brought on board... Honest!
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Yeah my youth academy decided to spit out a 17/5, so, uh.. there's that value hop. Astonishing that I'm now the 2nd most valuable team in the league. Can't wait to throw it all away!
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Holy poo poo my new signing opened in his first match with a hat trick! WTF happened in Serie Goon, everyone else drew their matches? Edit: Ouch, Masonity & Sheds of Grey... 
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Apr 12, 2021 09:47
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Big ouch. Did someone sub on too many youth prospects?
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I can't decide what's worse, that 10 minutes for Sheds of Grey or getting 3 of my youths hosed over (red card and injury, and then one of my other youths losing DV as well from not being subbed on). I would be sick as a dog letting in 4 goals in 10 minutes though!
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Vando posted:Big ouch. Did someone sub on too many youth prospects? 
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Are those 46 minute subs when people turn on 'use automatic subs'? Seems fairly horrific. Might be because we mostly have pretty thin rosters of actual talent?
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Nah. Mine were pure old fashioned hubris. I figured when I have a 2 goal lead I can safely bring on the kids. 🤦
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Flayer posted:Probably not even the worst subs this week! That was just me subbing youth for youth to maximize DV. No idea how a youth forward getting sent off caused my possession to collapse, but alas here we are.
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My youths are starting to get good form again, that was very worrying, especially in a shorter season! Edit: I have no idea why I wrote about a late goal, I think I must have imagined it. Still, game was much closer than the scoreline. Dragongem fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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 The best part for me is that I changed my mind about using pressure right before the game because I saw a few of his midfielders have the stamina SQ and I thought it would bite me in the rear end, especially if he went with a 5-man midfield. I had it set to bring on my youth forward if I was losing by more than 1 just for dev alone but then he ended up saving the game for me. This game is funny sometimes, that same youth player always seems to outperform the older players.
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Dragongem posted:Won despite yet again giving up a late goal
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My 19 year old own goaled at 82 minutes for the tie. Very cool....
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Flayer posted:Are you using Pressure in every game? Because that does cause your team to drop off at the end of games. I believe that both the Cool and Stamina SQs help mitigate that. First, yeah, which is why I didn't do it this game so I wouldn't do that. Multiple people on my team have those traits but they're on my kids so it didn't really balance out. Then for some crazy reason I thought I gave up another late goal despite not doing it, then realized... I was clearly insane and made that up? I'm just going to blame tiredness from baby raising 
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I use Pressure every game, but I also built my MF veterans around the Stamina trait and sub my youths.
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Nephzinho posted:I use Pressure every game, but I also built my MF veterans around the Stamina trait and sub my youths. Yeah this game got pretty weird, I think it was a combination of a few things that led to that. My playmaker/vice-captain had cool and leader SQs, 2 of my subs were like for like veterans and they were done at the 70 minute mark, then you went a player down against a 5 man defense playing long balls while you only had 3 tired defenders. The stars aligned to ruin the day for the home crowd 
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bees everywhere posted:Yeah this game got pretty weird, I think it was a combination of a few things that led to that. My playmaker/vice-captain had cool and leader SQs, 2 of my subs were like for like veterans and they were done at the 70 minute mark, then you went a player down against a 5 man defense playing long balls while you only had 3 tired defenders. The stars aligned to ruin the day for the home crowd On the bright side, my form was mostly improved outside of two veterans who aren't worth the training AND I didn't have to pay out a win bonus.
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Flayer posted:I can't decide what's worse, that 10 minutes for Sheds of Grey or getting 3 of my youths hosed over (red card and injury, and then one of my other youths losing DV as well from not being subbed on). I would be sick as a dog letting in 4 goals in 10 minutes though! You at least got the result. I don't get it, we were both cheating but the ref kept giving you the free kicks. I'll just have to take some solace in crippling your youth
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I have a couple of players with the cheating SQ and that ref had low skill so the dice may have been loaded in my favour a little, I'm guessing.
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Nephzinho posted:That was just me subbing youth for youth to maximize DV. No idea how a youth forward getting sent off caused my possession to collapse, but alas here we are. Have a look at 'last lineup' and it will show their actual performance levels. You might have subbed off someone having a great day for a moody diva. Or, someone with high compatability for someone with low. Flayer posted:Are you using Pressure in every game? Because that does cause your team to drop off at the end of games. I believe that both the Cool and Stamina SQs help mitigate that. Probably more hard trainer and stamina I think, as hard trainer reduces the impact of form dips.
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Rapner posted:Have a look at 'last lineup' and it will show their actual performance levels. You might have subbed off someone having a great day for a moody diva. Or, someone with high compatability for someone with low. Oh my compat is good or excellent across the board, no moody, no diva. This was just a case where one of the youths I subbed on got sent off and things collapsed quickly and hard.
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Huh, did not expect to score a flurry of four goals after going up 2-1 at half. I'll take it!
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I will take good DV and form draws every day.
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