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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I can't imagine drinking water from Superior or any of them tbh. Didn't Lake Erie literally catch fire at least once? Superior's nice because it's deep and pretty far from big polluting cities. It also has more fresh water than the other four combined.
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Mameluke posted:See how literally nobody in Canadian media reacted to Kamala's oblique announcement that Canada is now on the Enemies List I mean Trump called us a security threat as justification for the aluminium tariffs or whatever they were so we've been enemies of the USA for a few years now I guess.
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Apr 12, 2021 19:14
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Mameluke posted:i was just referring to this lol Think that is more a reference to the position that Pakistan, India and China are going to be in (already have been for awhile now.)
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Apr 12, 2021 19:16
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Mameluke posted:i was just referring to this lol im pretty sure like 90% of the fresh potable water in this country is owned by nestle so this is a war we have already lost friend
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Apr 12, 2021 19:44
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DariusLikewise posted:im pretty sure like 90% of the fresh potable water in this country is owned by nestle so this is a war we have already lost friend This talking point segues nicely into "And these guys, they own all the air" - https://vitalityair.com/. (Get your rear end to Mars!)
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Apr 12, 2021 19:48
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DariusLikewise posted:im pretty sure like 90% of the fresh potable water in this country is owned by nestle so this is a war we have already lost friend country is irredeemable
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Apr 12, 2021 19:56
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Sassafras posted:This talking point segues nicely into "And these guys, they own all the air" - https://vitalityair.com/. sorry but mars is already claimed as elons salve colony, better aim for pluto?
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Apr 12, 2021 20:03
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DariusLikewise posted:sorry but mars is already claimed as elons salve colony, better aim for pluto? There's lots of moons we could inhabit, sure. Except Europa, because.. you know
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Apr 12, 2021 20:12
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Ontario vaccine trip report: My parents are over 60 so they went on the gov site to sign up for a vaccine and got told their appointment was the end of the month in a city an hour and a half away. My dad was confused and called the place where the appointment is (a pharmacy) and the pharmacist tells him not only do they have a ton of vaccines for some reason but to come in the next day at 8am instead of the end of the month because they have almost no appointments booked for the whole month.
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Apr 12, 2021 22:20
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Are there any actual studies yet about the effects of a delayed second dose? I'm not altogether surprised that they chose to go that way given they had no guarantee of supplying or administering the needed number of doses, but goddamn we are playing fast and loose with the science in a way that should be troubling to anyone (we need to stick to the 3-week interval between shots as dictated by the companies who developed the vaccine instead of the 4-month interval determined by federal/provincial lack of supply)
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man these daily covid numbers in ontairo are really starting to spiral out of control i was working around toronto today and I heard the edge radio station having some call in and bitch time or something and the amount of people that want to drop their kids off at school so they can do day drink on patios is insane
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Apr 12, 2021 23:23
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Hot Karl Marx posted:man these daily covid numbers in ontairo are really starting to spiral out of control not sure why the strategy of "try to open things up the second infection rate dips even the slightest bit" backfired
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Apr 12, 2021 23:24
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Yinlock posted:not sure why the strategy of "try to open things up the second infection rate dips even the slightest bit" backfired its what the loudest people want, we should have been in lockdown until around now and maybe the numbers would be in the low hundreds and we can kinda enjoy this nice and early spring
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Apr 12, 2021 23:27
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Man all that talk about how it doesn't spread in schools was clearly bullshit. Cases have done nothing but climb ever since they opened em up
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Apr 12, 2021 23:28
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Terror Sweat posted:Man all that talk about how it doesn't spread in schools was clearly bullshit. Cases have done nothing but climb ever since they opened em up quite literally. the data from september on shows school infection rates leading community infection rates perfectly https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1377327782888415243
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Apr 12, 2021 23:36
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wow unskewing the polls but for covid now ive seen everything!!
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Apr 12, 2021 23:41
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Are there any actual studies yet about the effects of a delayed second dose? I'm not altogether surprised that they chose to go that way given they had no guarantee of supplying or administering the needed number of doses, but goddamn we are playing fast and loose with the science in a way that should be troubling to anyone The 3 weeks between shots isn't so much dictated as it is what was studied, probably to speed up trials so the vaccines could be authorized sooner. We could quibble about the 4 months, but it's not scientifically unsound to spread first doses wider and delay second doses beyond three weeks. That said, I don't know of any actual trials that intentionally delayed the second dose. Would've been smart to start one in January, as we'd have useful results by now!
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Then in the interest of science and public health we are obligated to go with "the regimen that has actual, if limited data" as opposed to "making up new poo poo as we go along and not even recording the results"
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Apr 12, 2021 23:56
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the "gently caress it, we'll do it live" of medicine
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Apr 12, 2021 23:58
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Then in the interest of science and public health we are obligated to go with "the regimen that has actual, if limited data" as opposed to "making up new poo poo as we go along and not even recording the results" there's also the public health interest of fewer people getting sick from and dying of covid. delaying the second dose is not the ideal choice, but neither is sitting on stores of lifesaving medicine. pandemic means tradeoffs
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Apr 13, 2021 00:03
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pokeyman posted:there's also the public health interest of fewer people getting sick from and dying of covid. delaying the second dose is not the ideal choice, but neither is sitting on stores of lifesaving medicine. pandemic means tradeoffs Yeah I'm ready to trade me taking an afternoon off work for John Horgan to give me my loving vaccine!!!!!
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Terror Sweat posted:Man all that talk about how it doesn't spread in schools was clearly bullshit. Cases have done nothing but climb ever since they opened em up i made an info-graphic 
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I can't imagine drinking water from Superior or any of them tbh. Didn't Lake Erie literally catch fire at least once? our (treated) water comes from huron and it's great
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Terror Sweat posted:Man all that talk about how it doesn't spread in schools was clearly bullshit. Cases have done nothing but climb ever since they opened em up No loving poo poo. Everyone on the loving planet knew upper respiratory diseases spread like crazy in schools until March 2020, when apparently by coincidence 90% of people forgot, including everyone who has any control over schools.
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pokeyman posted:there's also the public health interest of fewer people getting sick from and dying of covid. Yeah, and you do that by following the prescribed scheduling to provide the greatest efficacy to prevent them from getting sick and dying
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Apr 13, 2021 05:39
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Yeah, and you do that by following the prescribed scheduling to provide the greatest efficacy to prevent them from getting sick and dying it's not the prescribed schedule, it's the tested schedule. we had good reason to believe one dose keeps people out of the hospital or grave after just two weeks, and there's no reason to think there's anything special about three weeks. you can reach twice as many people with the same limited supply of vaccine. it's a no-brainer to try is there a chance that three weeks is good but four, five, six weeks is somehow bad? maybe, and ideally we'd have started new trials right after the initial trials so we could find out. but we missed the boat on that, so we took a small gamble, and it's paid off handsomely
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Has it paid off handsomely though? Think you're going to have to show your work here. Things are preatty poo poo.
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It has for the UK, hasn't it? They went with the prioritize the first dose strategy and they mostly avoided this wave.
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enki42 posted:It has for the UK, hasn't it? They went with the prioritize the first dose strategy and they mostly avoided this wave. It does seem to be working there, but they're primarily using AstraZeneca, not pfizer like we are.
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Sure, but both are two-dose regimens and preliminary data seems to show that one dose of Pfizer is effective (potentially as much as a two-dost AZ regimen). It's for sure a gamble, but I feel like everyone clamoring for using the 3-week schedule also assumes that we magically have twice as much vaccines. If we were still holding shots and sticking to 3 weeks we'd probably still be vaccinating 75+.
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enki42 posted:It has for the UK, hasn't it? They went with the prioritize the first dose strategy and they mostly avoided this wave. It's getting more and more difficult to make apples-to-apples comparisons with other countries now that the variants are becoming more diverse. The UK has successfully seen off a third wave through delayed mostly-AZ vaccination, dealing with the UK variant of the virus. We are currently experimenting to see if that works with delayed mostly-Pfizer vaccination, dealing with a mix of the UK and Brazilian variants. We shouldn't just assume their strategy is going to work against our current situation the way we might have been able to if we were using the same vaccine and facing the same virus. I hope it does! But I'm also mentally preparing myself in case it turns out that this just means we end up with a dominant viral strain that's more resistant to the partial protection offered by a single vaccine dose.
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Does it count as UK avoiding the third wave if the variant (B117) that comprises our third wave originated there and already worked its way through the population starting in December with 1K deaths per day?
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Does it count as UK avoiding the third wave if the variant (B117) that comprises our third wave originated there and already worked its way through the population starting in December with 1K deaths per day? Herd immunity doesn't work this way.
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Another Bill posted:Herd immunity doesn't work
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vyelkin posted:It's getting more and more difficult to make apples-to-apples comparisons with other countries now that the variants are becoming more diverse. The UK has successfully seen off a third wave through delayed mostly-AZ vaccination, dealing with the UK variant of the virus. We are currently experimenting to see if that works with delayed mostly-Pfizer vaccination, dealing with a mix of the UK and Brazilian variants. We shouldn't just assume their strategy is going to work against our current situation the way we might have been able to if we were using the same vaccine and facing the same virus. I hope it does! But I'm also mentally preparing myself in case it turns out that this just means we end up with a dominant viral strain that's more resistant to the partial protection offered by a single vaccine dose. The UK also did a full prolonged lockdown, and then kept business closed for a few weeks as they opened schools. They are being very proactive about testing too. They send at home rapid tests to each household with school aged kids with enough tests for two tests per household member per week. They have recently expanded this program to anyone in the UK. This is a huge step for breaking chains of transmission since rapid tests are able to detect the virus before symptom onset.
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enki42 posted:It's for sure a gamble, but I feel like everyone clamoring for using the 3-week schedule also assumes that we magically have twice as much vaccines. If we were still holding shots and sticking to 3 weeks we'd probably still be vaccinating 75+.  except the rollout hasn't gone any faster with people's second doses in freezers being turned into someone else's first dose. I get that psychologically there's a lot of power in the idea of getting definitively jabbed (woohoo! I'm safe!) but they are literally, explicitly NOT "one-and-done" vaccines like our policymakers (not even our medical experts) are pretending they are.And how you spin out a limited supply is through a system of tiers and appointments, but we would actually have to follow that.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:
It's obviously gone faster, just by the fact that most provinces are getting through their vaccines (the "millions of doses sitting around" stuff you hear is usually due to it being a day after a huge shipment or something, pretty much everyone is burning through their supply in roughly a week). The rollout of at least one dose to the population is obviously going to take twice as long if your supply is fixed and you're using it all if you're only giving one dose at first vs. two. From an individual perspective it's obviously better to get two doses, but I'm not convinced that it's not better from a public health perspective to get everyone 60% protected vs. 50% of people 90% protected. Yeah, there will be breakout cases with one dose, but I bet there's more cases when half of the population is completely unvaccinated and half are fully vaccinated.
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