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PeterCat posted:Anti-Israeli draw? The cock on draw thing? Yes. It’s significantly slower and assumes both your limbs are functioning. Like if you are carrying a gun that gun better be ready to work or it’s all just cosplay. Also That is a bandaid. The real first step is don’t have first responders to non violent encounters be armed.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:45
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Has 'we can't abolish police then the police would do crime' been sincerely floated as a take yet by the big brain havers?
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Apr 13, 2021 19:46
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maffew buildings posted:Has 'we can't abolish police then the police would do crime' been sincerely floated as a take yet by the big brain havers? It’s their go-to response. Also “you better never call the police if you want to abolish them.”
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Apr 13, 2021 19:47
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Brute Squad posted:i love every bit of this. lmao at jealous doj snoops. I can't believe how spot on he nailed matt's head to torso ratio.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:48
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I mean I'm not hopeful for an alternative. I can't imagine most people are comfortable without having SOMEONE to call to stop a serious crime. People have broken brains. You can't tell them some poo poo is the new normal without really loving things up first. That's why they let 9/11 happen.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:51
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Eason the Fifth posted:Serious question: Is it standard procedure for police to keep their firearms in condition 0 when they're working? It seems like having to actually chamber a round would be a good way to prevent a) uncool things like negligent discharges, and b) loving killing somebody with the wrong goddamn weapon. This is the same class of gun users who had department armorers replacing trigger springs to 12 loving pounds. And they were still NDing into their legs/suspects/cars. The only way to have a cop be safe with a firearm is to remove the firearm from the cop.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:I can't believe how spot on he nailed matt's head to torso ratio. Thought that too. It's like you barely need to even adjust proportions to make Gertz's head into comic form.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:57
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Seems like the solution would be to abolish the police then That is an insane position to have that will not lead to any improvements except for people to stop taking reform seriously.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:58
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Meshka posted:That is an insane position to have that will not lead to any improvements except for people to stop taking reform seriously. Go on
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Apr 13, 2021 19:59
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Meshka posted:That is an insane position to have that will not lead to any improvements except for people to stop taking reform seriously. The people who aren’t taking reform seriously weren’t put on that side by “abolish the police.” They were already there.
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Apr 13, 2021 19:59
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Police serve a crucial role within a civilized society? I don’t want to be armed when I go outside every time so I don’t get robbed in broad daylight?
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Apr 13, 2021 20:03
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BIG HEADLINE posted:This won't happen without open and concealed carry going away, and that won't stop criminals and mass shooters from breaking the law and using guns anyway, and as the response to protests nationwide have proven, when you remove lethal force from the equation and provide LEO with an abundance of less-lethal options, they use the less-lethal options to lethal extents and extremes, like braining someone with a tear gas canister at close range or purposely shooting pepperballs and rubber bullets at no-go areas. Given that police have shown they are absolutely inept and unwilling to deal with concealed carry and open carry people anyways (usually because they are white) what difference does it make if they have a gun or not? https://twitter.com/irishrygirl/status/1381754869900529665?s=20 These guys had guns and did nothing except for one single case.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:03
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Meshka posted:Police serve a crucial role within a civilized society? I don’t want to be armed when I go outside every time so I don’t get robbed in broad daylight? Maybe society should fix whatever has you so terrified to step outside of your home.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:05
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boop the snoot posted:Maybe society should fix whatever has you so terrified to step outside of your home. He's terrified but he probably orders out pizza, exposing some poor delivery driver to one of the most dangerous jobs in the United States.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:08
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The town I live in in Colorado has a somewhat large population of transients, meth heads, etc... there are a couple super lovely motels that a lot of these people frequent and I just saw a few cop cars roll up to one and naturally they all rolled out of their explorers with AR’s. I’m sure that they passed out crack head or guy yelling at his old lady that they’re responding to justifies that 
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Apr 13, 2021 20:09
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Meshka posted:Police serve a crucial role within a civilized society? I don’t want to be armed when I go outside every time so I don’t get robbed in broad daylight?  Okay
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Apr 13, 2021 20:12
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Police play a crucial role in a society so civilized that without the police, I’d have to be strapped to go outside. Sounds real civilized!
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Apr 13, 2021 20:12
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Naramyth posted:A gun without a bullet in the chamber is just an awkward club. An awkward club that can be transformed into a firearm in less than a second, sure.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:14
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boop the snoot posted:Police play a crucial role in a society so civilized that without the police, I’d have to be strapped to go outside. A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:15
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:16
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Do you have any literature on which people are inherently not good? Maybe there's some handy metrics you could clue us in to
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Apr 13, 2021 20:16
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people. Why do you feel so unsafe going outside of your home though. Be specific.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:17
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people. Ahhhh, the Purge realist has logged on. This is the sort of person that also argues that without the threat of divine punishment, everyone would become debauched murderers and rapists. Abolish All Police and replace them with Social Programs and Special Response teams.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:18
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Meshka posted:Police serve a crucial role within a civilized society? I don’t want to be armed when I go outside every time so I don’t get robbed in broad daylight? do you often use the term 'thugs' when discussing Chicago show me on the doll where the swarthy hordes touched you
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Apr 13, 2021 20:21
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This link is for Meshka, though I doubt they'll care to peruse what police abolition means. http://criticalresistance.org/abolish-policing/ In the toolkit, around page 20 there's a nice explainer of the difference between reform and abolition
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Apr 13, 2021 20:22
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BIG HEADLINE posted:That won't stop criminals and mass shooters from breaking the law and using guns anyway Regardless of how you feel about guns or what ever, basing a law or policy on "people will just break the laws anyway" in my mind leads to the interesting conclusion that laws and policies as a whole are useless because people will just break the laws anyway.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:22
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okay this one is probably on me, sorry about that, but fellas I think we need to pull up here
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Apr 13, 2021 20:26
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boop the snoot posted:Why do you feel so unsafe going outside of your home though. Be specific. I fuckin know right. Like did poster make irl gunhaving enemies? Like I get it if your neighbor brandished on you, but like not every neighborhood is like that, and even if it was the police flatly say "he can brandish on his property" Source: ID Discovery's "Fear Thy Neighbor"
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Apr 13, 2021 20:26
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Tbh the only murderous mobs I’d really be worried about if the cops suddenly vanished would be lynch mobs. And we already have those. They’re called cops. If you think people outside of your home are targeting you and the cops are the only thing standing in their way then you probably need to have a chat with yourself about what you’ve done to piss people off that much. You’re not Jason loving Bourne.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:28
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So have Republicans already started blaming Biden for losing Afghanistan...you know despite what Trump was doing...yet?
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Apr 13, 2021 20:33
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I'm going to repost a post I made in CA . Tl:dr, should ordinary people have to deal with biker gangs? I know this is a little out of left field, but chopper chat has reminded me of something I've been looking at since HD released their Pan America video. It's probably unrelated, but after I watched that I had this clip recommended to me by Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dbf5i75O98 It's about an old biker / chopper builder named Tom Fugle. I'd never heard of him, but I noticed his shirt said "Des Moines" on it, and when I watched the credits, it said the clip was filmed in Sioux City. This is where I'm from, so I did a little more research. He was the founder / president of the El Forastero1% MC. He's featured in the film "21 Days under the Sky," which feels like a 90 minute advertisement for a lifestyle brand that sells $500 axes and beard balm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k7M2GnP3mk The riders in that film make a pilgrimage to Sioux City to fawn over Tom and talk about how real and authentic he is. All this jogged some memories and I was like, oh yeah, the son of the people who lived across the street from me in Sioux City used to hang out with the Forasteros, got mixed up with them and another MC, and was brutally murdered.    Basically what I'm saying is, while choppers and such are cool, gently caress these guys who are fawning over Tom Fugle and the dirtbags he hung out with. They try to make him look like some kinda kindly grampa and he was just a POS.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:37
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Eason the Fifth posted:okay this one is probably on me, sorry about that, but fellas I think we need to pull up here Before we do that, has anyone considered abolishing the police....straight into the sun? Or at least to Mars?
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Apr 13, 2021 20:43
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PeterCat posted:I'm going to repost a post I made in CA . wut
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Apr 13, 2021 20:49
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people. Your 1st sentence is a good point about why abolishing police is an improvement to the status quo.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:51
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people. yeah we put all the people who would take advantage of the weak in positions of power and gave them guns and let them kill indiscriminately it's called the loving police
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Apr 13, 2021 20:52
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PeterCat posted:I'm going to repost a post I made in CA . but....ordinary people DON'T deal with biker games, for a couple reasons: Because neither do the cops, because often the bikers include cops/ex-cops and/or associations via White Supremacist groups that are associated with both, and for another reason being that Biker Gangs are not actually roaming the streets like that. But get associated with bikers, knowing what Biker Gangs tend to include, you might get killed. Biker Gangs have white privilege that protects them normally.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:54
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https://twitter.com/TheDweck/status/1382046832373624836?s=20
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Apr 13, 2021 20:54
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boop the snoot posted:Why do you feel so unsafe going outside of your home though. Be specific. More to the point, what the hell makes you think cops existing is going to help you? They don't stop crime. Like, ever. They're there to clean up afterwards.
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Apr 13, 2021 20:58
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Best Friends posted:An awkward club that can be transformed into a firearm in less than a second, sure. The problem is you don't always have the time or physical ability to rack a round in. Many draws are done with the support hand in defense, which makes it incredibly difficult to make the gun ready. I'd rather them not have a gun that deal with that bullshit, because they will still ND and shoot people while dealing with their lovely unloaded gun, because Cops aren't professionals with firearms.
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Apr 13, 2021 21:03
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Meshka posted:A portion of people are not inherently good no matter how well a society runs itself and will always take advantage of the weaker without a mechanism to discourage that type of behavior. Saying abolish all police makes you sound like a child and will never be accepted by majority of people. That portion is called "the police."
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