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Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 231 days!

indigi posted:

me neither. it�s about rehabilitation, both of themselves and the planet they�ve tried to ruin. letting them chill in a studio apartment til they kick does them no good.

i don't really think they'll rehabilitate, and tbh trying doesn't really serve any practical purpose. humanity has already cared what they think far more than enough.

# ? Apr 13, 2021 05:14

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# ? May 9, 2024 07:30

Impermanent: Apr 1, 2010

let's just put it to a vote when the time comes. the fate of the wealthy is really something the people collectively ought to decide. Decision by committee would be improper, even in a thread filled with the future socialist states of america's most valued anime appraisers.

# ? Apr 13, 2021 05:45

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Impermanent posted:

let's just put it to a vote when the time comes. the fate of the wealthy is really something the people collectively ought to decide. Decision by committee would be improper, even in a thread filled with the future socialist states of america's most valued anime appraisers.

i'll be the official mp3 renamer. we really gotta sort out this whole system

# ? Apr 13, 2021 05:52

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Impermanent posted:

let's just put it to a vote when the time comes. the fate of the wealthy is really something the people collectively ought to decide. Decision by committee would be improper, even in a thread filled with the future socialist states of america's most valued anime appraisers.

*Camera zooms in on me while i furiously beat off to hentai, suddenly I turn to face the camera with a big grin on my face*

"I'm doing my part!"

# ? Apr 13, 2021 06:27

brotha from anatha: Mar 24, 2021; by Fluffdaddy

*camera cuts to a furiously sweating general manager nervously affecting enthusiasm*

"ill build the guillotines with modern mass production techniques adapted to egalitarian workers commune structures!"

# ? Apr 13, 2021 08:41

tokin opposition: Apr 8, 2021; The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.

It does not matter what you would do if you cannot do it. Furthermore, it is impossible to imagine what you would do accurately, given the fact that you, everyone around you, and the world itself would need to change beyond recognition or consideration for the question to be put to you in the first place. Stop impotently fantasizing about punishing the people you hate; do something to make your navel-gazing real or fantasize how you would go about helping those you love. It's far more healthy a fantasy to live in.

# ? Apr 13, 2021 09:11

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

shut up dork

# ? Apr 13, 2021 13:31

THS: Sep 15, 2017

very excited to appraise all the anime under communism

# ? Apr 13, 2021 13:34

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I�m going to appraise the myriad turlets of the world

# ? Apr 13, 2021 13:35

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

https://twitter.com/Liv_Agar/status/1382052096933982208?s=19

# ? Apr 14, 2021 02:30

Finicums Wake: Mar 13, 2017; Can't post for 8 years!

i say swears online posted:

lol drat

# ? Apr 14, 2021 04:30

animist: Aug 28, 2018

really enjoyed that Red Sails piece from a few pages back.

this might not be the right thread for this, but I keep thinking about Alan Moore's definition of "magic" in From Hell, as "intentional engagement with different aspects of consciousness". Sometimes that lines up with "religion", i.e. it becomes sponsored by some aspect of the ruling economic system. In other cases it doesn't.

It occurs to me that Marxism, real Marxism, can be thought of a form of "black magic".

That is to say, it is a slightly mysterious form of engagement with the world, involving a mixture of intuitive and logical behavior, which is forbidden by the established economic structure due to its perceived destabilizing power.

Marxism can also be thought of as a rich and detailed technical subject, like engineering, poetry, or music. Like any technical subject, it has its own jargon; the lexicon of revolutionaries. "Capital", "Contradiction", "Core", "Periphery".

Marxism is constantly suppressed by Capital. In the imperial core, it survives only in nooks and crannies, hidden away from the scouring light of mass media. It lurks in dingy back alleys; including, occasionally, these very forums.

animist fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Apr 14, 2021

# ? Apr 14, 2021 06:52

thotsky: Jun 7, 2005; hot to trot

animist posted:

really enjoyed that Red Sails piece from a few pages back.

this might not be the right thread for this, but I keep thinking about Alan Moore's definition of "magic" in From Hell, as "intentional engagement with different aspects of consciousness". Sometimes that lines up with "religion", i.e. it becomes sponsored by some aspect of the ruling economic system. In other cases it doesn't.

It occurs to me that Marxism, real Marxism, can be thought of a form of "black magic".

That is to say, it is a slightly mysterious form of engagement with the world, involving a mixture of intuitive and logical behavior, which is forbidden by the established economic structure due to its perceived destabilizing power.

Marxism can also be thought of as a rich and detailed technical subject, like engineering, poetry, or music. Like any technical subject, it has its own jargon; the lexicon of revolutionaries. "Capital", "Contradiction", "Core", "Periphery".

Marxism is constantly suppressed by Capital. In the imperial core, it survives only in nooks and crannies, hidden away from the scouring light of mass media. It lurks in dingy back alleys; including, occasionally, these very forums.

Warren Ellis touches on something similar in one of the chapters of Global Frequency.

# ? Apr 14, 2021 08:58

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

are they called graphic novels now because the dialogue is so dense and tedious

# ? Apr 14, 2021 09:03

Sleng Teng: May 3, 2009

Western trash!!!

# ? Apr 14, 2021 12:29

Zurtilik: Oct 23, 2015; The Biggest Brain in Guardia

i say swears online posted:

are they called graphic novels now because the dialogue is so dense and tedious

Doonesbury was the first graphic novel.

# ? Apr 14, 2021 13:10

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

animist posted:

really enjoyed that Red Sails piece from a few pages back.

this might not be the right thread for this, but I keep thinking about Alan Moore's definition of "magic" in From Hell, as "intentional engagement with different aspects of consciousness". Sometimes that lines up with "religion", i.e. it becomes sponsored by some aspect of the ruling economic system. In other cases it doesn't.

It occurs to me that Marxism, real Marxism, can be thought of a form of "black magic".

That is to say, it is a slightly mysterious form of engagement with the world, involving a mixture of intuitive and logical behavior, which is forbidden by the established economic structure due to its perceived destabilizing power.

Marxism can also be thought of as a rich and detailed technical subject, like engineering, poetry, or music. Like any technical subject, it has its own jargon; the lexicon of revolutionaries. "Capital", "Contradiction", "Core", "Periphery".

Marxism is constantly suppressed by Capital. In the imperial core, it survives only in nooks and crannies, hidden away from the scouring light of mass media. It lurks in dingy back alleys; including, occasionally, these very forums.

same

# ? Apr 14, 2021 13:30

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ZYeSm6jUk&t=555s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10YuzY6Or9U&t=915s

quote:

There are years of history, there are people who have become legends, and there are songs that have become immortal. Pre-War Revolutionary Music is the place to synthesize such classic songs. This is a genre of music with the heroic revolutionary spirit and is often associated with the struggles between the country of the Vietnamese people. Music of the Revolutionary music collection of pre-war songs, red music, revolutionary music accompanying the years. The songs from the front line, the rear or the band, ... associated with the names of famous artists such as People's Artist Trung Duc, People's Artist Thu Hien, Trong Tan, Anh Tho, Viet Hoan, ... will be updated continuously. to send to the audience. Please watch!

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Apr 14, 2021

# ? Apr 14, 2021 13:31

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1382248298749300736?s=19

# ? Apr 14, 2021 14:56

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

if magic is technology sufficiently scientifically advanced that we struggle to comprehend it, we might consider Marxism as a form of advanced social technology that is so powerful it might as well be magic for taking the working class from the field to the stars in a few decades.

# ? Apr 14, 2021 17:07

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

One Weird Trick

# ? Apr 14, 2021 18:51

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

animist posted:

really enjoyed that Red Sails piece from a few pages back.

this might not be the right thread for this, but I keep thinking about Alan Moore's definition of "magic" in From Hell, as "intentional engagement with different aspects of consciousness". Sometimes that lines up with "religion", i.e. it becomes sponsored by some aspect of the ruling economic system. In other cases it doesn't.

It occurs to me that Marxism, real Marxism, can be thought of a form of "black magic".

That is to say, it is a slightly mysterious form of engagement with the world, involving a mixture of intuitive and logical behavior, which is forbidden by the established economic structure due to its perceived destabilizing power.

Marxism can also be thought of as a rich and detailed technical subject, like engineering, poetry, or music. Like any technical subject, it has its own jargon; the lexicon of revolutionaries. "Capital", "Contradiction", "Core", "Periphery".

Marxism is constantly suppressed by Capital. In the imperial core, it survives only in nooks and crannies, hidden away from the scouring light of mass media. It lurks in dingy back alleys; including, occasionally, these very forums.

I am begging you to go outside

# ? Apr 14, 2021 19:46

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Dreddout posted:

I am begging you to go outside

ah, I�m sorry to say this but there�s some bad news about the outside these days. have you been aware of the goings-on?

# ? Apr 14, 2021 19:48

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

marxism is the science of revolution and in fact is widely followed and understood. it's only in provincial backwaters like the united states that it's treated as marginal

# ? Apr 14, 2021 20:21

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

I haven�t read any of the ten or so previous posts here, but I am assured they�re bad

# ? Apr 14, 2021 20:31

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Ferrinus posted:

i'm on a red sails kick so it might help you to read this to see what i'm getting at: https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

Thanks for introducing Red Sails, it's a good site OP.

# ? Apr 15, 2021 01:58

animist: Aug 28, 2018

Dreddout posted:

I am begging you to go outside

that's fair

# ? Apr 15, 2021 02:45

mythicknight: Jan 28, 2009; my thick night

respeccing to red mage

# ? Apr 15, 2021 12:36

MLSM: Apr 3, 2021; by Azathoth

I think it�s abundantly clear by now the only way we can effectively prevent capitalism from annihilating our species is through the establishment of one-party totalitarian communist states, non of this liberal socdem and anarchist bullshit

Rip Stalin/mao

# ? Apr 17, 2021 00:16

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

yeah it sucks that there�s nobody around to take up the mantle. eco-stalinism seems like the best global fix

# ? Apr 17, 2021 00:21

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Any maoist state will have to begin with shattering the nation of the whites, and sending them/us to work as physical labor on the tree burying farms

# ? Apr 17, 2021 14:35

THS: Sep 15, 2017

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Any maoist state will have to begin with shattering the nation of the whites, and sending them/us to work as physical labor on the tree burying farms

this could be considered cultural genocide but sometimes its justified

# ? Apr 17, 2021 15:40

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

THS posted:

this could be considered cultural genocide but sometimes its justified

you can't commit cultural genocide on a people that doesn't have one

like, how would that even work? banning country music?

# ? Apr 17, 2021 15:44

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

you can't commit cultural genocide on a people that doesn't have one

like, how would that even work? banning country music?

Banning ranch dressing and confederate flags

# ? Apr 17, 2021 16:10

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

the eradication of mayonnaise

# ? Apr 17, 2021 18:45

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Ferrinus posted:

marxism is the science of revolution and in fact is widely followed and understood. it's only in provincial backwaters like the united states that it's treated as marginal

fact check: true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYR2TPFxrJE

# ? Apr 17, 2021 18:49

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

The pandemic has caused major issues with labour mobility, the corrupt response to the great recession causing major national and racial tensions and the long term structural issues and short term pandemic issues around long distance shipping will cause the return of the national level economy - Trump rhetoric will find a coherent economic logic, the EU will reform to a nation state framework or collapse. The states which are unable to create an internal economy will either become colonial states pretty explicitly, more and more openly as climate change requires the global south elite to buy their ability to live in safe locations, or be forced to overthrow capitalism.

Basically third worldism is correct or once again the UK will begin to define the global trend as it is an advanced economy ripe for colonial exploitation unless poo poo really changes.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 18:56