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Zeroisanumber posted:And for the record, if Chauvin is convicted I expect demonstrations and maybe a couple knuckleheads busting windows, but no riots. If he's acquitted or there's a hung jury I expect the city to get what it deserves. I was 16 and living in SoCal at the time of the verdict for the officers charged with beating Rodney King, and I can’t help but think of some of the obvious parallels between that trial and the one for Chauvin. Highly visible in the media, the video capturing the cops in the act (albeit a lot grainier than the video taken of the cops killing George Floyd), the defenses attempt to paint King as no angel (definitely not unique to both cases, unfortunately). There was a palpable sense of tension in the city before the verdict, and I’m sure that’s how it feels in Minny. If Chauvin is acquitted, or gets off with light sentencing, well... let’s just hope that doesn’t happen and justice actually gets served.
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Right now it seems the defense is presenting its case that a person being prone is not typically a cause of death. But that really seems like a dangerous road to go down, because wouldn't that further cement the fact that Mr. Floyd was killed not because he was prone, but rather because Chauvin was kneeling on his neck?
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Velocity Raptor posted:Right now it seems the defense is presenting its case that a person being prone is not typically a cause of death. But that really seems like a dangerous road to go down, because wouldn't that further cement the fact that Mr. Floyd was killed not because he was prone, but rather because Chauvin was kneeling on his neck? This was exactly what I was thinking. It seems insane to me
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Zeroisanumber posted:And for the record, if Chauvin is convicted I expect demonstrations and maybe a couple knuckleheads busting windows, but no riots. If he's acquitted or there's a hung jury I expect the city to get what it deserves. I don’t think he will get acquitted at this point. But I think we have like a 25% chance min of a hung jury. That being said I am still hopeful.
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Velocity Raptor posted:Right now it seems the defense is presenting its case that a person being prone is not typically a cause of death. But that really seems like a dangerous road to go down, because wouldn't that further cement the fact that Mr. Floyd was killed not because he was prone, but rather because Chauvin was kneeling on his neck? I’m not sure what cops are taught or why it is so common in LE, but during physical or chemical restraint we are taught to specifically NEVER prone anyone. EVER. Even without sitting on their necks or backs. It’s just cops being a bunch of lazy fuckwads and they don’t care if it occasionally kills someone because they so rarely face consequences.
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LeeMajors posted:I’m not sure what cops are taught or why it is so common in LE, but during physical or chemical restraint we are taught to specifically NEVER prone anyone. EVER. Even without sitting on their necks or backs. Yeah, one of the prosecution's witnesses a couple of days ago was talking about proper police protocol and how the only time anyone is supposed to be placed prone is to cuff them, and even then it's only supposed to be a transitory position. Once the cuffs are on and the suspect is restrained, they are supposed to be rolled onto their side, in a recovery position.
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Apr 14, 2021 18:08
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https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1382389539428134914 yeah, they are scraping through the bottom of the barrel today.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1382389539428134914 Exhaust fumes? Get the gently caress outta here!
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Apr 14, 2021 19:35
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The fact so many cops testified on behalf of the prosecution tells me that Chauvin is pretty hosed. The blue wall doesn't break if it wasn't obvious guilt.
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Apr 14, 2021 19:42
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Sky Shadowing posted:The fact so many cops testified on behalf of the prosecution tells me that Chauvin is pretty hosed. The blue wall doesn't break if it wasn't obvious guilt. its less obvious guilt(the wall has stood for "worse") but also its too big and obvious to protect. everyone in the world saw this and the aftermath, they realize if this dude walks, then bad poo poo will happen and happen to them directly.
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Even if that's true, why was a cop pinning a man to the ground next to an exhaust pipe lol idiot pigs edit: AND EVEN THEN https://twitter.com/NaomiKritzer/status/1382407231073828867 scuz fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1382389539428134914 Upon closer inspection, this barrel is empty https://twitter.com/thelauracoates/status/1382404322953138177?s=20
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Apr 14, 2021 20:04
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Christ, this witness like to hear himself talk. "Yes or no, sir. Is this true?" "Yes because  "
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Velocity Raptor posted:Christ, this witness like to hear himself talk. https://twitter.com/LynnJBird1/status/1382409406223159299 an utter quack, an embarrassing witness
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Apr 14, 2021 20:15
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Piell posted:Upon closer inspection, this barrel is empty https://twitter.com/thelauracoates/status/1382404322953138177?s=20 I understand that the defense is running with limited options here, but really? Really? That’s the best they have? That would be such a huge credibility hit if they had any credibility left to lose.
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Apr 14, 2021 20:16
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Apr 14, 2021 20:22
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What?!?! The police are becoming afraid to use force? Well loving fantastic, I'd prefer you not using force because you're decent people but if fear's the only way then boo motherfucker!
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Apr 14, 2021 20:23
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I think the defense has punched a hole through the bottom of the barrel and is grabbing around in the garbage dump the barrel was tossed in to try to find something.
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scuz posted:https://twitter.com/LynnJBird1/status/1382409406223159299 hahahaha. I’m still reeling from yesterday. “You can tell he’s resisting arrest by the angle of his elbows. He should be resting comfortably on the ground.” Prosecutor: “...did you just say resting comfortably?!”
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Apr 14, 2021 20:28
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"Sir, did Mr. Floyd complain of a headache?" "Yes, I believe he did." "You do?" "Well, I can't remember, actually."
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Apr 14, 2021 20:41
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Sjs00 posted:is it done for today? Nope, its a 20 minute break
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Apr 14, 2021 21:07
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Fowler is the slimiest piece of poo poo I've ever seen. Reasons George Floyd died: Hypertension, drugs, a running car exhaust nearby, an incredibly rare tumor that has caused 6 people in modern medical history to have sudden cardiac arrest. Honestly surprised they didn't mention UV rays from the sun or 5G as contributing factors.
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Apr 14, 2021 21:11
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I offer to be an expert witness for the defense. I need a national audience to present my ASoIaF theories to and its about as relevant to their case as their existing expert witnesses.
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Apr 14, 2021 21:12
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Fowler sounds like Microsoft Sam, except a poo poo bag
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Sky Shadowing posted:I offer to be an expert witness for the defense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
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Apr 14, 2021 21:19
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Boy, Dr. Fowler seems to have a chronic issue with misunderstanding the questions he's been answering, or accidentally misspeaking...
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.insider.com/derek-chauvin-trial-minneapolis-police-officer-quit-over-trial-reaction-2021-4 I'm sorry, this shitstain give up their pension because they were afraid? What? Bullshit.
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Apr 14, 2021 21:31
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The entire expert witness industry, whether they be forensic pathologists or firearms experts, is incredibly shady and mostly boils down to "if you pay me X amount of money, I'll testify that, in my expert opinion, Y is theoretically possible". You're always going to be able to find someone in any given field who will tell a jury whatever you want to be true in exchange for money.
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Froghammer posted:The entire expert witness industry, whether they be forensic pathologists or firearms experts, is incredibly shady and mostly boils down to "if you pay me X amount of money, I'll testify that, in my expert opinion, Y is theoretically possible". ehh it kind of works like that, more accurately they will broadcast what their biases / beliefs are in advance, and then if you hire them to say what you want them to say it's still "independent" expert witness testimony and not an unethical "I'm being paid to come to this conclusion" situation.
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Wait, the defense actually called Chauvin to the stand? I really would have assumed they’d try to avoid letting the prosecution take a crack at him. I was under the impression that pleading the 5th in your own trial is basically saying “I am guilty”.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Wait, the defense actually called Chauvin to the stand? I really would have assumed they’d try to avoid letting the prosecution take a crack at him. I was under the impression that pleading the 5th in your own trial is basically saying “I am guilty”. Its not supposed to be, pleading the 5th is just to avoid incriminating yourself, even if you are innocent.
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Yeah, I misinterpreted it—he’s not testifying at all. I thought it was in response to a specific question.
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CommieGIR posted:Its not supposed to be, pleading the 5th is just to avoid incriminating yourself, even if you are innocent. In a hypothetical world where the defendant took the stand, they are assumed to have waived their 5th amendment rights for all of the proceedings. Which apparently is not the case here - he's not testifying. https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html quote:At trial, the Fifth Amendment gives a criminal defendant the right not to testify. This means that the prosecutor, the judge, and even the defendant's own lawyer cannot force the defendant to take the witness stand against their will. However, a defendant who does choose to testify cannot choose to answer some questions but not others. Once the defendant takes the witness stand, this particular Fifth Amendment right is considered waived throughout the trial.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1382389539428134914 They have on right now Dr. Tobin again, calling the exhaust fumes absolute bullshit. Hes saying his blood was normal, oxygen level was 98%.
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my dad suggested something about a mistrial? I was pretty confident wed get at least a conviction on one count but freaking out a bit now
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