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Strobe posted:"We are not expecting it to return online" means that it hasn't been announced and they aren't going to be the ones to announce it. Oh I'm more about the communication clusterfuck and people running up and down about this. People have been panicking that GW "dropped support" for this game because there is no Cursed City article in the new WD... it's weird poo poo. I got my copy so I'm not effected in any way, but the community team going ""We are not expecting it to return" instead of remaining silent or saying "We don't know" or "We have no information" is really weird communication for me. I'm not a native speaker tho so 
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"We don't know when it will be back in stock" would seem more sensible if you're being noncommittal. "We don't expect it" is quite strong language. Presents it as a probable never.
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Apr 15, 2021 18:27
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As someone who just got into GW products last year, I have quickly learned they will never do the obvious smart thing.
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Lucinice posted:As someone who just got into GW products last year, I have quickly learned they will never do the obvious smart thing.
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Apr 15, 2021 18:57
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People posting like GW didn't "discover" stacks of Space Hulk just in time for Christmas.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:00
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Electric Hobo posted:And yet, they are so much better than they used to be. I've heard of the dark years. Maybe if I had experienced them back then I could believe they'd stop making copies of cursed city instead of assuming they just have bad pr.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:01
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goatface posted:"We don't know when it will be back in stock" would seem more sensible if you're being noncommittal. Yup. Once again going back to really poor messaging on their part.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:13
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Lucinice posted:I've heard of the dark years. Maybe if I had experienced them back then I could believe they'd stop making copies of cursed city instead of assuming they just have bad pr. In the dark years they wouldn’t have made the game at all. They had killed every specialist game and scrubbed their existence from their websites.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:15
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Crackbone posted:In the dark years they wouldn’t have made the game at all. They had killed every specialist game and scrubbed their existence from their websites. Eh, I will give them credit where credit is due - GW kept up free versions of the SG rules and articles as well as provided models for years after officially dropping the games. They could have just as easily said "gently caress you" and 404'd that section of the site.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:28
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didn't they eventually say gently caress you and 404 that section of the site
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Apr 15, 2021 19:51
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They did. But they also included PDFs for Dark Future, bringing it into the SG fold.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:53
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I remember how they forced Board Game Geek to remove all player created files from the site. It didn't matter that there was absolutely no copyright infringement in a file, it had to be removed. They're downright good people now, compared to back then! I still like to compare their behavior with training a dog to only bite you once a week, instead of all day every day.
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Electric Hobo posted:I remember how they forced Board Game Geek to remove all player created files from the site. It didn't matter that there was absolutely no copyright infringement in a file, it had to be removed. IIRC, they were told to remove actual GW content, and that BGG just said "the hell with it" and removed everything. I do remember that you could pretty much ask for anything in the forums and someone would post a scan. Honestly, I don't know how Yaktribe is still around.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:45
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berzerkmonkey posted:IIRC, they were told to remove actual GW content, and that BGG just said "the hell with it" and removed everything. I do remember that you could pretty much ask for anything in the forums and someone would post a scan. Honestly, I don't know how Yaktribe is still around. I don't remember how BGG was back then, since I didn't really use it much, but I can certainly believe that they did some dumb poo poo too. At least we're better off now, but I'll always be wary of them, because I'm a weirdo on somethingawful.com.
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Cease to Hope posted:didn't they eventually say gently caress you and 404 that section of the site I believe that was because when 'Specialist Games' was born again and they knew they would be releasing Shadow War: Armageddon, which used a slightly adapted version of the old Necromunda rules, and Blood Bowl. I might have the time line wrong though.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I believe that was because when 'Specialist Games' was born again and they knew they would be releasing Shadow War: Armageddon, which used a slightly adapted version of the old Necromunda rules, and Blood Bowl. I might have the time line wrong though. this entire discussion started because people were talking about wanting rules for epic, though
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Apr 15, 2021 23:20
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I really can't imagine a scenario wherein Cursed City is simply done for good after a single round of orders, would make zero sense to do that from a business/game perspective if you make this new crafted game with new models and hype it for ages + all these teases in the game itself about expansions. Even GW with their usual low stock/production issues, it would be a level of ridiculous beyond the norm.
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I managed to buy a second copy from the tiniest hobby store that just has one of those GW total intro shelves, with like 1 copy of 40k, 1 copy of age of Sigmar and 2 white dwarfs from a year ago. They inexplicably got a copy, so I gave it to my mate who missed out on launch day and was veeeery close to paying scalper price.
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Cease to Hope posted:this entire discussion started because people were talking about wanting rules for epic, though Epic was an SG game. AT was announced alongside Blood Bowl. AT is explicitly a foot in the door for the potential rebirth of the Epic system. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 15, 2021 23:59
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Epic was an SG game. AT was announced alongside Blood Bowl. AT is explicitly a foot in the door for the potential rebirth of the Epic system. they took down the epic rules years ago and still haven't released a new game though
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They wanted people to buy the new rules as a way to fund development of more new rules. This is how games development works. They haven't released new Epic yet because it costs time and money to make these games. To make Epic would require an insane cost that can only be justified by releasing the elements in stages as their own self-supporting games. This has not happened yet because Boxed Games is (or was the last time I spoke to them) only ever one failed game away from being shut down again. They want people who want Epic to pay for AT and AI, and presumably whatever the tank game is (if they get there) so that they can then make Epic. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 00:05
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you don't have to run PR for them, they can pay people to do that
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Cease to Hope posted:you don't have to run PR for them, they can pay people to do that A good and worthwhile contribution.
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Cease to Hope posted:you don't have to run PR for them, they can pay people to do that Take the \_ boomer
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Apr 16, 2021 00:57
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Verisimilidude posted:Finished a test model for my blood bowl team! Just need to apply transfers and varnish, but I'll apply all the transfers when the whole team is done. x-post from the mini painting thread
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I hope that GW will reprint cursed city and the BSF expansions but they're so bad at communicating that who loving knows
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Played a game of BFG last night. Super fun - about a third of our group is playing now (8ish players). Total loss for the Eldar - playing a fluff rule where destroyed Eldar ships are worth an extra 50% VP. Ended up handing over 1600 VP or so, in a 1500pt game (BFG VP is 1:1 points to VP, with wrecks on the table providing another 50% if you hold the field.).     My battleship got rammed by Ork escorts and blew up.
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 Finally got an okay picture of my Blood Bowl team. Sculpted everything but the cheerleaders in back, currently 3/5/1 in my local league. Could probably trim 2 gobs or so to cut my TV down a bit, but I’m enjoying having a full roster on hand.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:A good and worthwhile contribution. Nah he’s right quit lickin’ the corporate boot.
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This whole thing with Cursed City smacks of either a HUGE unanticipated blockage in the supply chain somewhere that is gonna prevent restocking for a long time and/or GW severely underestimating demand again. Combined either of those with them community team panicking and not being sure what they can and cant promise and it explains a lot of whats going on.
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AnEdgelord posted:This whole thing with Cursed City smacks of either a HUGE unanticipated blockage in the supply chain somewhere Hmmmm. Hmm. HMMMMM??? hMMM!!!!!! HM?? HMHMHM???????????? \ 
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Crackbone posted:Nah he’s right quit lickin’ the corporate boot. Your toymaker doesn't have a firm answer about when they can make more toys during a global pandemic which has killed at least three million people. "Cry."
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Your toymaker doesn't have a firm answer about when they can make more toys during a global pandemic which has killed at least three million people. "Cry." No not giving a firm answer would be to say something like ”we don’t have an expected date for when any more sets are due. We’ll update on the website when we get one”. Saying ”we don’t expect any more of these” is to say that well, you should not expectany more either. It’s bad. Even if you love GW you can admit that selling out in minutes during preorder and then go ”woops we don’t expect more of these lol” is a bad look. E: to be clear, I don't think that it is unlikely that GW will print more. But given their communication, I am not sure they will. As someone that was interested in buying it, but had other things to do during the very short timeframe where I could have bought it online without going to scalpers, this makes me a bit annoyed. Enough so to reconsider ever getting it, unless things change. Which means that GW is doing a bad job communicating this, no matter if you personally don't believe they have anything to gain from being clearer in their communication. It reeks of Bad Days of GW. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:A good and worthwhile contribution. As opposed to the great contribution of defending GW for wiping out the old Specialist Games site despite not actually releasing a new edition for Epic? We don't have to be grateful to them for discontinuing old games. I don't understand why you seem to be.
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Cease to Hope posted:As opposed to the great contribution of defending GW for wiping out the old Specialist Games site despite not actually releasing a new edition for Epic? No you see the Dark Days of GW were good for SG because....
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I really like a lot of stuff gw has put out recently, specifically I really appreciate their push to include better representation of women and minorities in their products But holy poo poo they were an absolute dogshit company making terrible decisions, with awful people in charge, putting out just shite product after shite product during the "dark days" They are a cool and good business now, but just loving lol at the people defending them during that time period
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berzerkmonkey posted:Eh, I will give them credit where credit is due - GW kept up free versions of the SG rules and articles as well as provided models for years after officially dropping the games. They could have just as easily said "gently caress you" and 404'd that section of the site. Moola posted:But holy poo poo they were an absolute dogshit company making terrible decisions, with awful people in charge, putting out just shite product after shite product during the "dark days" I suspect the free rules downloads in the old days were something done in spite of the senior management. There would have still been staff around who did give a poo poo about the community, they just didn't have the pull to decide which products got made. So the best they could do was the odd free PDF. It's fine to credit those guys while still acknowledging that the overall guys in charge were soulless empty suits
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If you're in Australia guf.com.au still has cursed city. It was discounted but now it's retail price gdi. They are Vic based, should post interstate, but be warned they mean it when they say they'll take 2-3 days to process online-postage orders. They have copies left because they didn't have it up on their store until a few days after release bizarrely.
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GW has gotten much better as a company and provides better support and communication than they used to GW is still absolute dogshit at communication and unintentionally make things that should have a one sentence answer more confusing
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I'm assuming everyone in a customer-facing position at GW knows that making promises is a third rail. If one rep guesses that "yeah there's more on a boat" screencaps of it appear everywhere and nerds demand that it's true. That said, there really should be more Cursed City on a boat. I think I'm out of luck for BSF expansions, though.
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