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Zaphod42 posted:But what about back in the NES era? Back when Castlevania was brand new, there were plenty of Castlevania clones back then. Zaphod42 posted:Even if it did start as a Hollow Knight mod (pretty sure it didn't) is that a bad thing? Whatever gets you to the final product, right? Zaphod42 posted:Game developers will use all kinds of temporary assets during production that you don't know about. I don't think that means anything. Zaphod42 posted:I can agree with the feeling of Team Cherry being small so wanting to protect them, but they're clearly doing fantastically well financially and don't really need gamers to be their guard dogs.
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How do I get past the bonepit at the end of the coal reef? I just got the ability to make temporary platforms and not sure where else to go as I'm pretty sure I poked around everywhere else.
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Apr 16, 2021 20:06
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:How do I get past the bonepit at the end of the coal reef? I just got the ability to make temporary platforms and not sure where else to go as I'm pretty sure I poked around everywhere else. 
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Apr 16, 2021 20:11
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Yeah. I think there's just a general sense that when someone comes into a genre with a fresh take and it becomes hugely successful, that they get some ownership on that take at least for a little while--either until they deliver a dud, or decide they're done with it. Meanwhile, others that come in with an inspired game may get labeled as a clone unless they can sufficiently distance themselves. And honestly maybe being a clone is fine too, you just shouldn't be surprised by the label even if it's somewhat unfair. I'm not sure I agree with the idea of getting "ownership" over a genre. Otherwise though I agree, and I think we're on the same page. "Its fine don't call it a clone" and "Its a clone but that's not a bad thing" are pretty much the same take, barring semantics.
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Apr 16, 2021 20:20
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:How do I get past the bonepit at the end of the coal reef? I just got the ability to make temporary platforms and not sure where else to go as I'm pretty sure I poked around everywhere else.
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Apr 16, 2021 20:29
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm not sure I agree with the idea of getting "ownership" over a genre. 90s FPSes generally being referred to as "DOOM clones" is fairly analogous, and similarly titles started being held in their own regard once they pushed the FPS genre beyond what DOOM itself did.
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Apr 16, 2021 20:54
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Not of the entire genre, but ownership of their take on it. I don't think the name "doom clone" becoming "FPS" had to do with games becoming more original, but just on the industry settling on a better vernacular. They're independent. There's still FPS being made today that don't push the FPS genre beyond what doom did, but we still call them FPS now and we make no distinction. Its not like some games are still "doom clones" but the original ones get called "FPS". Most games involve minor iteration more than a massive evolution of a genre model. Like, by far the vast majority of them. Does Halo have "ownership" over having a grenade button? Not really. After Halo every FPS adopted that. Does that make them all Halo clones? Ehhh not really.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:04
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There's room for a ton of metroidvanias out there. It's just that aesthetically this game looks like its not only the same genre as Hollow Knight, but has an incredibly similar art style and even the title is somewhat similar to Silksong in terms of structure and number of syllables. If someone edited the trailer to start with "From the team that brought you Hollow Knight" and showed me that trailer I'd believe it, and I think most other people would too. Personally, I don't care, but I would definitely say that they were heavily inspired by Hollow Knight and are trying to essentially treat Hollow Knight like the genre and make another game in that style. As long as its good, more power to them.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:15
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It's not a clone, it's literally Hollow Knight.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:19
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Mechanical influence aside, the art of the environments and backgrounds looks literally lifted straight from Hollow Knight, like the lamps and the spikes and buildings etc. I don't have a problem with something that seems so heavily influenced, because if it's good, it's just another story set in this kind of universe. It's unreasonable to expect people to just politely sit on their hands and only play one spooky-cute action platformer every 5 years when Team Cherry makes one.
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Apr 16, 2021 22:19
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Alot of the line-thickness, the smooth curves of the design, are also HKish. Some of the platforming, the animation, and especially the nail-hopping, is very HKish. But the combat doesn't look like HK combat, which has more emphasis on spacing rather than chosing the right move and combo at the right time.
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Apr 16, 2021 23:13
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Read a bunch of posts. Know what I want now? A Hollow Knight inspired Mega Man style game. Sweet power ups from bosses, awesome movement, spikes everywhere. And now I’m sad because I’m pretty sure it will never happen.
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Apr 17, 2021 02:53
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TheMadMilkman posted:Read a bunch of posts. Know what I want now? ...so you want grey megaman with bugs?
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Apr 17, 2021 04:04
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Ya but with white palace type play forming. Make me really hate myself.
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Apr 17, 2021 18:01
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there are a ton of mega man rom hacks that will serve your needs
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Apr 17, 2021 18:09
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You should try out the hit game I Want To Be The Guy
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Apr 17, 2021 18:44
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I would be very pleased to try that Crowsworn game if it gets rave reviews, but let's be honest some of those sections are recycling Godhome and Deepnest/Sewers in a rather blatant fashion.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:06
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LLCoolJD posted:I would be very pleased to try that Crowsworn game if it gets rave reviews, but let's be honest some of those sections are recycling Godhome and Deepnest/Sewers in a rather blatant fashion. Feels way more like its knocking off Anor Londo than Godhome, like what makes you say that other than palette? I mean, lots of games have sewers. Unless the platforming and enemies are like Deepnest then its not really Deepnest is it? Also FYI some guy who produced Hollow Knight is apparently also producing Crowsworn now so there's even less need to get offended on Team Cherry's behalf. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 19:30
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Is it like Crow-Sworn or Crows-Worn? Do you wear the crows?
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Apr 19, 2021 20:30
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Literally no-one is offended on team cherries behalf.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:38
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What do you mean “produced”? Team Cherry made Hollowknight, is the artist from Team Cherry doing Crowsworn?
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Apr 19, 2021 20:41
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Bust Rodd posted:What do you mean “produced”? Team Cherry made Hollowknight, is the artist from Team Cherry doing Crowsworn? Life usually gets complicated. Yeah, Team Cherry made it, but there were some people who weren't part of the 3 who also worked on various aspects of getting it published. https://twitter.com/griffinmatta/status/1383528486166401034?s=20 Well, he's not listed on the Team Cherry "about us" page but then also: https://teamcherry.com.au/new-addition-to-the-team-and-release-update/ So I guess you could say Team Cherry is assisting development of Crowsworn. E: Producers don't usually do art, I would have said "the artist". Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 20:42
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Zaphod42 posted:Feels way more like its knocking off Anor Londo than Godhome, like what makes you say that other than palette? I can't do a side-by-side comparison while phone posting but IMHO the aesthetic of some of this is straight up boosted from Hollow Knight in a way that doesn't pass the sniff test. I'm not outraged or offended, I'm simply giving an opinion.   
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LLCoolJD posted:I can't do a side-by-side comparison while phone posting but IMHO the aesthetic of some of this is straight up boosted from Hollow Knight in a way that doesn't pass the sniff test. I'm not outraged or offended, I'm simply giving an opinion. Sure. But as we previously discussed, the aesthetic is obviously copying Hollow Knight, that's not really a thing to argue. But like, Darkest Dungeon clearly copied the aesthetic of Mike Mignola, Cuphead copied Fliescher, etc. etc. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But my point there was beyond the aesthetic of the characters and style of the backgrounds, which of these looks more the same   The idea of "lots of bloom and a city with golden light" isn't exactly wholly unique to Hollow Knight. So like, yeah it all looks like the same visual language as Hollow Knight because of the aesthetic. But I don't think beyond the aesthetic they look like direct knockoffs of Godhome or Deepnest, and if the enemies and platforming are different then that's just how things are when the style is the same.
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TheMadMilkman posted:Read a bunch of posts. Know what I want now? It's possible you might enjoy Mega Man ZX. It was always too hard for me to get too far into but also the DS made my hands hurt after a while so maybe playing it on a real controller would help.
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Bleck posted:hollow knight was the best game of the previous decade and it's frankly asinine to question why anyone would be inspired by that
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Apr 19, 2021 21:21
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Who cares as long as it’s fun to play. They could make a game about bugs descending into a forgotten kingdom called Shallownest and I wouldn’t care if it was fun to play.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:54
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lets just hope that its actually a good game apart from looking nice.
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Apr 21, 2021 23:50
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I have no idea what you guys are seeing in that Crowsworn trailer, that makes you think it's a Hollow Knight ripoff. It's clearly a Plague of Shadows ripoff.
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Crowsworn is gonna be the Dark Souls of metroidvanias.
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Mymla posted:Crowsworn is gonna be the Dark Souls of metroidvanias.
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When was the last time there was any actual concrete news about Silksong? Asking for a friend.
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Cactus posted:When was the last time there was any actual concrete news about Silksong? That magazine article a couple pages ago.
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Apr 26, 2021 00:13
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And before that, the "viral" campaign with the art of some new characters. That was pretty fun, actually, but now I've forgotten all of the things that happened back then.
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Aah. Time has not... has not been kind to me. We need a window.. Team Cherry. Give us a Window. Cactus fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 00:15
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Cactus posted:Aah. Time has not... has not been kind to me. *shakes magic eightball* It says some time between today and the day after tomorrow.
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Apr 26, 2021 03:04
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Can someone un-memory my brain so I can new play the Hollow Knight game over again for the first time please?
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Apr 27, 2021 01:04
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Man, even Elden Ring just got its release date. We're so hosed.
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Jun 11, 2021 23:19
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Cactus posted:Man, even Elden Ring just got its release date. We're so hosed. We really aren't. They're a small team.
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I get the small team thing with Hollow Knight. But with how popular it is, Team Cherry must have made millions. So wouldn't they staff up?
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