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Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

That's one of the most le fweaking epic motherfucking win things I've ever seen on teh interwebs.

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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Impermanent posted:

let's just put it to a vote when the time comes. the fate of the wealthy is really something the people collectively ought to decide. Decision by committee would be improper, even in a thread filled with the future socialist states of america's most valued anime appraisers.

*throws a knife into my foot while appearing to look cool* yeah, drat. this would be sick. *wincing, trying not to to look like I have a knife in my foot*

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Ferrinus posted:

marxism is the science of revolution and in fact is widely followed and understood. it's only in provincial backwaters like the united states that it's treated as marginal

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Doctor Jeep posted:

Quotations from Chairman Mao Big-Dong

Listen buddy, those sparrows DESERVED the Four Pests Campaign

- Quotations from Chairman Mao Big-Dogs

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

EXCUSE ME, Nikita, you might be dating my mom, but paws off my interpretation of Marxism-Leninism!

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Algund Eenboom posted:

That's one of the most le fweaking epic motherfucking win things I've ever seen on teh interwebs.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
where does the term “the immortal science” come from

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

GalacticAcid posted:

where does the term “the immortal science” come from

your mom

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
no i’ve never heard her discuss Marxism-Leninism

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

GalacticAcid posted:

no i’ve never heard her discuss Marxism-Leninism

wack she talks about it with me

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Any maoist state will have to begin with shattering the nation of the whites, and sending them/us to work as physical labor on the tree burying farms

I have proposed, in the past, that the JDPON should disperse the Amerikkkans throughout the Third World instead of allowing them to remain in occupied North America. Here are some of my reasons:

1) A geographic concentration of Amerikkkans would facilitate counterrevolution. It would also be difficult to exercise proletarian dictatorship over hundreds of millions of enemies: we would need to import a huge unproductive sector of police and such from the Third World. As a practical matter, it would be better to thin the Amerikkkans out, making them minorities in the Third World, where they could easily be controlled and supervised by the international proletariat.

2) Amerikkkans will need to undergo re-education. It would be very difficult to re-educate them in their own kkkountry. They need to be in a proletarian environment where they can learn from the masses.

3) There are land claims to settle, mainly for the First Nations, but also for Aztlán [occupied Mexico -- MSH) and perhaps the Black nation. Conceivably some other nations could be moved to North America if they wished to be, such as Nauru or the small nations in Ghana whose land has been ruined by imperialist corporations. Amerikkkans are going to have to move out of much of North America and make room for other nations.

4) Amerikkkan kkkulture is almost totally reactionary. There is little worth saving in Amerikkkan kkkulture. It would be better to force Amerikkkans to assimilate to the more culturally and politically advanced peoples of the Third World. There is also historic justice in forcing Amerikkkans to assimilate, just as they destroyed so many other nations and cultures.

5) In the early stages of socialism, the Third World will require skilled workers and technicians of various kinds, including medical personnel. These persyns are disproportionately concentrated in the First World. Moving them to the Third World will be a practical way to address an urgent need.

6) The Third World is also owed big reparations. An excellent way to make those reparations is to put Amerikkkans to work building infrastructure in the Third World: roads, housing, water supplies, sewage, electricity, telecommunications, schools. Amerikkkans can also work in Third World factories and fields to expand production for the benefit of the Third World.

7) Part of the process of civilizing and proletarianizing Amerikkkans will be putting them to productive work--for a change. Amerikkka has so little productive capacity that there may not be many ways to put all those people to work in occupied North America. They may have to go to the factories and fields of the Third World.

8 ) Amerikkkans will need to be reduced to a Third World standard of living. If they stay in occupied North Amerikkka, they will benefit from the vastly better infrastructure and all the stolen wealth that they currently hold. It would be better to move them to the Third World as a way of accelerating the process of re-education.

9) There are historical precedents for relocating large numbers of enemies. Millions of Germans were forced to move after the Soviet victory over fascism in World War II. Even enemies like the united $nakes and the "united" KKKingdom agreed that it was necessary to move Germans off land that was needed for Poles, Czechs, and others. Again, this is related to the national question of the First Nations, Aztlán [occupied Mexico -- MSH], and the Black nation.

Is this a good idea? What are its advantages and disadvantages? How can we improve upon it?

THS
Sep 15, 2017

it seems self apparent to me. it was probably coined multiple times by smart people who encountered the undeniable truth of marxism-leninism

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

where does the term “the immortal science” come from

I always assumed it was a reference to the evolving nature of Marxism. It is a science that can never die because it is adapted to the material conditions of wherever or whenever it is applied.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

:smugdon:

https://twitter.com/Bad_Anarchism/status/1383486710735020038

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

GalacticAcid posted:

where does the term “the immortal science” come from

The "science" idea is probably Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. Rev Left Radio has an episode on what makes Marxism scientific.

This is the earliest (late 40's) I can find for specifically "immortal" science of Marxism or Marxism-Leninism. It wouldn't surprise me if there are earlier mentions in Pravda or something.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I always assumed it was a reference to the evolving nature of Marxism. It is a science that can never die because it is adapted to the material conditions of wherever or whenever it is applied.

Dialectical and historical materialism owns

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

DirtyRobot posted:

The "science" idea is probably Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. Rev Left Radio has an episode on what makes Marxism scientific.

This is the earliest (late 40's) I can find for specifically "immortal" science of Marxism or Marxism-Leninism. It wouldn't surprise me if there are earlier mentions in Pravda or something.

nice, thanks

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
does anyone have any reading suggestions on the marx/hegel connection? i know some ppl have done studies showing the structural similairites between the science of logic and the exposition in capital vol 1. but, rather than the mature marx of if capital, i'm more interested in the young marx (as well as the other young hegelians) reacting to hegel.if anyone knows of a good book on the topic please let me know

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



e-dt posted:

I have proposed, in the past, that the JDPON should disperse the Amerikkkans throughout the Third World instead of allowing them to remain in occupied North America. Here are some of my reasons:

1) A geographic concentration of Amerikkkans would facilitate counterrevolution. It would also be difficult to exercise proletarian dictatorship over hundreds of millions of enemies: we would need to import a huge unproductive sector of police and such from the Third World. As a practical matter, it would be better to thin the Amerikkkans out, making them minorities in the Third World, where they could easily be controlled and supervised by the international proletariat.

2) Amerikkkans will need to undergo re-education. It would be very difficult to re-educate them in their own kkkountry. They need to be in a proletarian environment where they can learn from the masses.

3) There are land claims to settle, mainly for the First Nations, but also for Aztlán [occupied Mexico -- MSH) and perhaps the Black nation. Conceivably some other nations could be moved to North America if they wished to be, such as Nauru or the small nations in Ghana whose land has been ruined by imperialist corporations. Amerikkkans are going to have to move out of much of North America and make room for other nations.

4) Amerikkkan kkkulture is almost totally reactionary. There is little worth saving in Amerikkkan kkkulture. It would be better to force Amerikkkans to assimilate to the more culturally and politically advanced peoples of the Third World. There is also historic justice in forcing Amerikkkans to assimilate, just as they destroyed so many other nations and cultures.

5) In the early stages of socialism, the Third World will require skilled workers and technicians of various kinds, including medical personnel. These persyns are disproportionately concentrated in the First World. Moving them to the Third World will be a practical way to address an urgent need.

6) The Third World is also owed big reparations. An excellent way to make those reparations is to put Amerikkkans to work building infrastructure in the Third World: roads, housing, water supplies, sewage, electricity, telecommunications, schools. Amerikkkans can also work in Third World factories and fields to expand production for the benefit of the Third World.

7) Part of the process of civilizing and proletarianizing Amerikkkans will be putting them to productive work--for a change. Amerikkka has so little productive capacity that there may not be many ways to put all those people to work in occupied North America. They may have to go to the factories and fields of the Third World.

8 ) Amerikkkans will need to be reduced to a Third World standard of living. If they stay in occupied North Amerikkka, they will benefit from the vastly better infrastructure and all the stolen wealth that they currently hold. It would be better to move them to the Third World as a way of accelerating the process of re-education.

9) There are historical precedents for relocating large numbers of enemies. Millions of Germans were forced to move after the Soviet victory over fascism in World War II. Even enemies like the united $nakes and the "united" KKKingdom agreed that it was necessary to move Germans off land that was needed for Poles, Czechs, and others. Again, this is related to the national question of the First Nations, Aztlán [occupied Mexico -- MSH], and the Black nation.

Is this a good idea? What are its advantages and disadvantages? How can we improve upon it?

Is this from lf or the rhizone

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Is this from lf or the rhizone

this is ancient wisdom carved onto a rock you oaf

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Victory Position posted:

this is ancient wisdom carved onto a rock you oaf

Lf then okay

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Is this from lf or the rhizone

it's from Monkey Smashes Heaven:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071120...ressed-nations/

(the IRTR referred to in the article is the now-defunct MIM-affiliated It's Right To Rebel Forum)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-JrPFkcEq4

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Is this from lf or the rhizone

It's MIM, which i read a bit of way back when.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Honestly I'm too young to have posted there and I always assumed that copy paste was from lf. Thanks for the history lesson

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Honestly I'm too young to have posted there and I always assumed that copy paste was from lf. Thanks for the history lesson

It was quite a site- they did a review of Civilization III that i found amusing where they called it good because you controlled everything which is a good reflection of Mao's ideals.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
im sorry to prove apropos wrong but i am, in fact, mentally ill enough to give money to the admins

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
wb

THS
Sep 15, 2017

its larry

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Hello Larry try not to get banned again for a few weeks at least

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Hello Larry try not to get banned again for a few weeks at least

it was really hard not to say something incendiary in that first post

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Larry Parrish posted:

it was really hard not to say something incendiary in that first post

:yeah:

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

the mods have broken larry's spirit

he posts now an empty shell of a man, uttering nary a slur, calling none a pedophile

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the thing where that pyf mod decided to be the Rational Adult about loli hentai like 2 days after i got banned is one of the all time funniest forums moments however. i should have said 'the mods' generally and not 'cspam mods'.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Getting mad when someone accurately calls you a pedophile is a twelfth type of liberalism

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
wb larry rip to your ten bucks and gently caress the mods

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Finicums Wake posted:

does anyone have any reading suggestions on the marx/hegel connection? i know some ppl have done studies showing the structural similairites between the science of logic and the exposition in capital vol 1. but, rather than the mature marx of if capital, i'm more interested in the young marx (as well as the other young hegelians) reacting to hegel.if anyone knows of a good book on the topic please let me know

I haven't seen anything specifically, but I'm reading Charles Taylor's book on Hegel and while there's only a few reflections on young Marx reflecting on young Hegel, what's there has been quite good.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
wb larry I'm glad you're still here

Lasting Damage
Feb 26, 2006

Fallen Rib

Larry Parrish posted:

the thing where that pyf mod decided to be the Rational Adult about loli hentai like 2 days after i got banned is one of the all time funniest forums moments however. i should have said 'the mods' generally and not 'cspam mods'.

we can't ever let them live this one down. gotta wave that bloody shirt.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i dunno i think homeless friend getting banned for racism for a joke that doesn't work as racist if you try to construe that way is still the silliest ban+30

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