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Scotlander posted:Not that this year has been terribly exciting, but imagine the Premier League if this shite was already in place for this year. City have had the league sewn up for ages, leaving themselves, United, Pool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal with nothing to play for for the past couple of months (not that Arsenal's had anything to play for since then anyway). Leicester and West Ham have 2 of the CL spots cemented with the only thing left to figure out is which 2 of Everton, Leeds and Villa fill in the other 2 spots. People would have stopped caring completely long ago. that sounds interesting as an american who isn't really tied to one team i know i'm weird in general, but i'd personally take a PL, or any league, that has less talent than it might be able to if it means there's a possibility that most of the clubs in the league could win the title
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Karl Sharks posted:i think idiots with too much money right now will not make good decisions for long term success 4 AM CET
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Karl Sharks posted:i think idiots with too much money right now will not make good decisions for long term success 11 pm local start times, lol honestly that's part of the reason i can't see this staying a "mid-week" thing. if the goal is to break into american tv sets, you're not going to do that by airing your best matches at 3 pm on a wednesday afternoon.
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cadfael posted:I dont see how this would financially save leagues/clubs, is he having a laff? https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano this guy kindly did some transcipts of that interview He means his own club. And by saving the almighty Real Madrid franchise, by the magic of *trickle down economics* (=poaching the best players from the pleb clubs), the entire world of football will be saved. Maybe. But who cares?
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Karl Sharks posted:that sounds interesting as an american who isn't really tied to one team
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Thank you mr Perez for saving football. Also I 100% think expansion slots will be opened up the next time Barca or Milan gets into financial trouble again.
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https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384271559548801026?s=20 we are NOT closed, there is a tiny crack you may enter through if we allow it, but only for a bit then you're back out
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Vando posted:This already exists and it's called the Championship yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that?
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Im not sure what's making my blood boil more, that fat wanker talking about the economic savior to all clubs at the heart of this or that ginger oval office implying 'no, i in fact DO want to watch this!'
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that? I suspect you'll find a similar issue with any post-SL Premier League
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sudo rm -rf posted:what does the super league look like if it expands to the size of an american league? the nfl has 32 teams. the mlb has 30. who is in and who is out if the super league has 30ish clubs? https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/ that's the current ten-year uefa coefficient ranking, pick from that list depending on your intent you've already got six english clubs, so you'd likely want to top up spain and italy (sevilla, valencia, roma, lazio, napoli) and then ajax, porto and benfica, then it's a choice of going into ukrainian money clubs or selectively picking who you want for geographic/political reasons (rangers, celtic, copenhagen, sparta prague, etc)
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Vando posted:I suspect you'll find a similar issue with any post-SL Premier League okay? but the person asked if anyone would want to watch the PL without them, i said i would in fact like to how does my access to it affect what i would prefer??
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that? iFollow.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:14
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it seems like big football clubs run into financial trouble more often than american sport franchises like what's going on with barca?
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sudo rm -rf posted:11 pm local start times, lol They aren't planning on mid week, they're expecting to get thrown out of their domestic leagues and then they can negotiate for weekend media contacts. If this happens. I'm still convinced this is posturing for a new CL format/profit sharing deal.
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vyelkin posted:lmao everyone is the belgian league now hurrah
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that? It's on ESPN+
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Karl Sharks posted:https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384271559548801026?s=20 so uh...how would one qualify to play with the Best in the World® and who would make way for another 5 the year later. would it keep growing?
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FullLeatherJacket posted:https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/ It's never going to be coefficients, it's going to be whoever opens the most valuable markets or otherwise brings financial reward to the rest somehow.
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Doctor Teeth posted:so uh...how would one qualify to play with the Best in the World® and who would make way for another 5 the year later. would it keep growing? It honestly just feels like a place holder until they can convince a few german and french teams to permanently join. Maybe Porto and Ajax
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FullLeatherJacket posted:https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/ this is just purely an on-field ranking, correct? my guess is that they're going to go for name/recognition/revenue over performance. would be interesting to see the same list but sorted by revenue/worth.
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Karl Sharks posted:okay? but the person asked if anyone would want to watch the PL without them, i said i would in fact like to they didn't mean you personally they meant in general, and the supporting argument is the option for watching such a contest already exists and is not popular, so what you think might be neat doesn't matter
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Slotducks posted:US Arsenal fans are *not* ready to become the pittsburgh pirates of the Supraliga I feel like Arsenal plastics who've made it this far can cope with more failure. That includes all the UK millennials I follow on twitter and US football hipsters.
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also if we're talking purely financial loads of championship clubs are basically bankrupting themselves for a slice of that premier league money and I fully expect that to happen to every club not part of the 12 as they aim for the super league crumbs
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If you want a "balanced" competition you need to introduce a much more equal share of revenues down the league, which you can't do because the big names will use it as an excuse to break away and form a... Hey, wait, maybe we can do that now?
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Pook Good Mook posted:They aren't planning on mid week, they're expecting to get thrown out of their domestic leagues and then they can negotiate for weekend media contacts. idk about 'posturing', some of the resignations and v fingers thrown to uefa seem to me to be unprecedented steps to saying 'yeah this is now happening/going to change. Deal with it'. Maybe deals will be done regarding this and the new uefa CL format but atm bar some massive back-track from those involved in this break away im at a loss to see how this ends amicably or even reshaped. Seems like its heading for the courts so who knows
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Karl Sharks posted:okay? but the person asked if anyone would want to watch the PL without them, i said i would in fact like to I was more operating under the assumption that the "big 6" don't get kicked out of the league as a result of this. You'd have 3rd, 4th, 8th and 10th currently occupying the CL spots. The vast majority of the overseas fans watching these games do it for one of the big 6 clubs, and with 5 of them having nothing to play for for 4 months, I imagine would stop tuning in. A league with the 6 of them gone would be brilliant and I'd watch a tonne of it I imagine, not sure the rest of the world agrees with me on that stance.
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Vando posted:If you want a "balanced" competition you need to introduce a much more equal share of revenues down the league, which you can't do because the big names will use it as an excuse to break away and form a... Agreed. Never waste a good crisis. Everyone not part of the 12 should seize this opportunity to get rid of their biggest opponents in one swoop. It's a golden chance, I hope they take it.
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my guess is that domestic leagues limp along for a bit as the super league expands and poaches from the best of the rest but champions league is a dead man walking already
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When in doubt about how this thing will progress, just look to American franchise sports leagues for guidance. Expansion will happen by new additions paying a one-time franchise fee (in the hundreds of millions) to the league.
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Scotlander posted:A league with the 6 of them gone would be brilliant and I'd watch a tonne of it I imagine, not sure the rest of the world agrees with me on that stance. Hell I'd watch it religiously out of spite
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bawfuls posted:When in doubt about how this thing will progress, just look to American franchise sports leagues for guidance. as well as salary caps, drafts, and playoffs
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looking at this: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/mubvcb/florentino_perez_interview_in_el_chiringuito_de/ 2 things stick out: quote:"We might have to make the football match shorter if it's not interesting" quote:"There will be a salary cap at 55%."
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The Championship is good but would be better with half the PL dropping down and shite like Wycombe, Rotherham and Derby kicked out. Steve Parish on Sky earlier floated the "well let's the 14 of us start our own breakaway if the 6 don't willingly gently caress off" idea. Add the top 8 in the Championship under a new brand name for a top division (as the EFL is a bit too incompetent to run things) and that's next season sorted.
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Another interesting factor would be teams in Spain and Italy that are not included. Of course, it is a massive disrespect that 6 PL clubs, among then absolute garbage clubs, declare themselves the best in Europe over actual good teams in Germany and France. However, these leagues are still functional despite some ESL and they can send their teams if they so choose and flatten teams like Arsenal or Tottenham. But for Italian or Spanish teams, international and eventually domestic Football is pretty much over. One would expect some ruffled feathers
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sudo rm -rf posted:it seems like big football clubs run into financial trouble more often than american sport franchises people from cspam got real mad when dudes said player salaries, but totally player salaries I mean, it's super dumb to say that the players are greedy for taking the market rates that are available, but one of the biggest issues with an open league with primarily cash trades for player registrations is that as long as the clubs are bringing in about the same level of revenue, player salaries will slowly increase to swallow up 95% of earnings, particularly away from the big-name clubs with huge sponsorship/merch revenues. If you don't spend 95% of your revenue on player costs, then some other Championship team will overtake you. Plus, the higher up the pyramid you go, the more money you make, and so you either spiral up or spiral down. On top of that, you can buy a garbage team fairly cheaply, run it as a vanity project for however many years, and then dump it off into bankruptcy when you're bored. So while they've somewhat brought in rules against this, you're still often running a club against an investor from overseas who's running the club at a loss as a marketing vehicle (Leicester may have been a miracle, but they're not that much of a miracle) or for sportswashing purposes (looking at you, PSG). And that's why it's now £25 a game to see clubs in the fourth tier. Barca and Real have their own set of stupid idiot problems where they have Presidents voted on by the members, and they're basically Rangers and Celtic if anyone in Scotland was good at football, so if you didn't win literally everything last season it's time to promise that you'll sign whoever the most currently hyped and eye-wateringly overpriced player in the world is, regardless of if they fit into the system that you're currently playing. No, it's fine, we'll just borrow more money. Nothing could go wrong, as long as revenues increase exponentially, forever. Florentino Perez is now showing you his plan for revenues increasing exponentially, forever.
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sudo rm -rf posted:as well as salary caps, drafts, and playoffs do the players have a union? If not they'd better form one asap
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wait I don't understand, so if you're a founding member you can't be knocked out? so if you finish in the bottom five some qualifying team above you has to qualify again? or is each season the 15 founders and then 5 teams qualify so it doesnt matter how they did the previous season
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mistermojo posted:each season the 15 founders and then 5 teams qualify so it doesnt matter how they did the previous season This is my understanding of it
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