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Woebin posted:Yeah, Superior Spider-Man generally didn't let on that he was a different person, although obviously some people figured it out. I don't remember if this book is the original "Ock in Pete's body" version or the newer version where he's got the body of Some Guy without much of a past.
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Larryb posted:I forget, how exactly did Ock get into Peter's body in the first place? Ock was dying and invented some handwavium to swap brain patterns with Spider-Man, which lead to Dying Wish. Peter dies in Otto's body but manages to transfer a 'ghost' of himself back into his own, leading to Ock's attack of conscience and "I'm going to be a better hero than you ever were" campaign.
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Apr 19, 2021 13:54
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Larryb posted:I forget, how exactly did Ock get into Peter's body in the first place? From looking it up, Otto went in on a long-con. He built a helmet that let him control swarms of drones with his mind, and when Spidey beat him, he took the helmet and used it to make the swarms self-destruct and stop their schemes etc. and he'd use the tech a few more times, unaware that each time Otto was actually scanning his brain until he had enough details to make the eventual takeover fast and unexpected. Peter wasn't able to reverse it before Otto's dying (former) body gave out, but he was able to add his own memories to Otto's, hence him getting a supportive upbringing, great-power-great-responsibility etc. There's also a scene (I can't find right now) where Peter with Otto's memories remembers the time Otto tried to marry Aunt May, so also recalls making out (and possibly more) with her.
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Apr 19, 2021 14:06
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Oh they totally banged and Peter had to watch the memory of it.
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Apr 19, 2021 14:09
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My two favorite Superior moments are when Doc Ock realized that Peter had been pulling his punches all these years after he punches Scorpions jaw off. And thread favorite, when Goblin realizes that Peter's back in control of his body. 
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How Wonderful! posted:I was curious about this because my wife is reading the Claremont run for the first time right now and it's been fun to hear about all the benchmarks and cool parts from a fresh pair of eyes. So, this episode aired in October 1978. The first time Magneto shows up in Claremont's run is Uncanny X-Men #104, which came out in April 77. Then he kind of just cameos a little bit for awhile and comes back for a big showy story in #111-113 which have cover dates of June-September 1978. I guess your mileage may vary but in #104 he still comes off as kind of a doofus, and I would say that the first really cool Magneto story is the second arc mentioned, and even then he's still pretty hammy-- as mentioned, tying people up and making them get treated like babies by a robot. On the other hand he looks completely sick drawn by John Byrne at the peak of his talents, which I'm sure helped a lot in elevating his profile. So there are little hints of Claremont turning him into something interesting by the end of 1978, but I think that if somebody from that year were to think that Magneto kind of sucks and is goofy they would not be totally unjustified. Even if he’s not the complex character he becomes later on in the Claremont run, he’s definitely not the doof he is in the early Lee years and in that cartoon. And yeah, I know they had to dumb everything down for a Saturday morning audience, but man that’s just bad...
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Apr 19, 2021 17:18
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I've been on an X-men kick since I read the Hickman books, so I went back and looked at some of the 60s stories. Those first few issues where Magneto appears they really thought magnetism could do anything. He's pretty much as psychic as Xavier, too.
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Daktar posted:I've been on an X-men kick since I read the Hickman books, so I went back and looked at some of the 60s stories. Those first few issues where Magneto appears they really thought magnetism could do anything. He's pretty much as psychic as Xavier, too. I'm reading 90's X-Men and there was an issue where
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Daktar posted:I've been on an X-men kick since I read the Hickman books, so I went back and looked at some of the 60s stories. Those first few issues where Magneto appears they really thought magnetism could do anything. He's pretty much as psychic as Xavier, too. Stan Lee understood magnetism as much as he understood transistors. Those two things were pretty much magic back in the early Silver Age, they were the same catch-all back then as “nanites” are now.
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GPTribefan posted:Stan Lee understood magnetism as much as he understood transistors. Those two things were pretty much magic back in the early Silver Age, they were the same catch-all back then as “nanites” are now. Don't even have to go into science fiction for this kind of thing. I'm in the office world and there's so much snake oil around buzzwords like AI and machine learning. I used to write formulas in Excel, now I "code algorithms."
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Apr 19, 2021 19:26
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In 1966 Magneto used his superpowers to enhance his animal magnetism and use it to hypnotize people to do his will.
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Uthor posted:I'm reading 90's X-Men and there was an issue where In 90s x-force he stops two mutants from using their powers by restricting the blood flow to that part of their brains using the iron in their bloodstream. There was a neat callback to this idea in Exiles, when an alt universe magneto tries that on King Hyperion who just says "there is no iron in my blood" and blasts magnetos head off. Edit: and I'm pretty sure when you see hyperion bleed a few comics later its green, which is a nice attention to detail. One More Fat Nerd fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 19:34
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FMguru posted:In 1966 Magneto used his superpowers to enhance his animal magnetism and use it to hypnotize people to do his will. That issue had a ridiculous amount of amazing Magneto expressions   
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It's funny how power levels change over time. If he's talking about the O5, youngest was Iceman, who is now considered an Omega level mutant. Though even with how he was written back then I'd put him above Angel or Beast (unless Angel has that bazooka from the cover of X-Men #1)
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Apr 19, 2021 22:34
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Daktar posted:That issue had a ridiculous amount of amazing Magneto expressions Phenomenal
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GPTribefan posted:Stan Lee understood magnetism as much as he understood transistors. Those two things were pretty much magic back in the early Silver Age, they were the same catch-all back then as “nanites” are now. Iron Man's transistor stuff is actually based on science, though. Misunderstood science, but science. Transistors are often explained to people as switches these days, but they're not that simple. Transistors don't turn on and off instantly. And some transistors, particularly the earliest ones developed, had a relatively long period of transition between on and off. I'll spare you the physics, but what you need to know is that there is a certain level of voltage where the transistor turns on. But in that transition space between on and off, a small change in the control voltage has a large change in the output. That's the principle that made transistor radios work: the small signal change from the radio was amplified by the transistor. And that's what someone, probably Larry Lieber rather than Stan Lee, got wrong. They read something about transistors being amplifiers and ran with it, giving us Iron Man's transistor powered armor. Real transistors eventually open the tap to full and you can't get anything more out of them, of course. But when you know what state of the art in 1963 was, you can understand how a comic writer might misremember something they read in Popular Science.
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The best part of old Iron Man comics was seeing him charge the suit by just plugging it into the wall.
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Skwirl posted:It's funny how power levels change over time. If he's talking about the O5, youngest was Iceman, who is now considered an Omega level mutant. Yeah Cyclops is referred to as the strongest several times in the early issues. And that was with his eye beams needing to recharge between blast rather than being always on.
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Push El Burrito posted:The best part of old Iron Man comics was seeing him charge the suit by just plugging it into the wall. And crawling to the outlet seconds from death. Early Iron Man was like one "charge your phone, dude" joke.
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Daktar posted:Yeah Cyclops is referred to as the strongest several times in the early issues. And that was with his eye beams needing to recharge between blast rather than being always on. How long did that take? It makes him sound like a crappy video game boss.
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I wish my dream was true, but I know in my heart this did not get resolved by "Trick Magneto into thinking he is a Seagull because he flies without the sound of engines too"
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Elissimpark posted:How long did that take? It makes him sound like a crappy video game boss. The flipside of that is it does sound pretty overpowered if he has an unlimited supply. Like just sitting there slouched in a lawn chair, head leaning on his hand, with his visor open full blast casually laying waste to everybody.
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Magneto’s secondary mutation is that he develops hammerhead shark DNA.
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Lobok posted:The flipside of that is it does sound pretty overpowered if he has an unlimited supply. Like just sitting there slouched in a lawn chair, head leaning on his hand, with his visor open full blast casually laying waste to everybody. Considering that he doesn't have any secondary super powers durability wise, it's not that overpowered with all the crazy bullshit in the X-Men universe. It's the kind of thing Cable would have as a gun instead of a power, and a person with a regular gun is still something that could in theory drop him. That does a lot to balance out infinite punch lasers.
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I really hope this is from the first issue of X-Men. Otherwise he would have already fought a guy with wings.
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I choose to believe that Angel makes airplane noises when he flies. Edit: And when he's Archangel he just makes angrier, darker airplane noises.
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bunnyofdoom posted:I bet most of the superhero community was like "Ah gently caress Pete's doing a bit again. Remember when he talked like a loving pirate for a month solid? Or his edgy campus libertarian phase?" Okay, forget Superior, I want to know more about the time Pete talked like a pirate for a month.
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How Wonderful! posted:I choose to believe that Angel makes airplane noises when he flies. propeller plane when he's Angel and jet plane when he's Archangel.
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Skwirl posted:I really hope this is from the first issue of X-Men. Otherwise he would have already fought a guy with wings.
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How Wonderful! posted:I choose to believe that Angel makes airplane noises when he flies. And machine gun noises when firing his feathers.
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Ghostlight posted:It's #4. hey, he can't be blamed for completely forgetting angel exists.
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Ghostlight posted:It's #4. He previously fought a guy with loving bird wings. That's like Dr Doom being "there's no way to escape this trap unless someone in the room is stretchy"
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The best thing is that Angel is like "weird, a completely full freighter travelling at full speed across the ocean. guess it's remote control" and fucks off, then mentions it to Professor X who is like "I didn't know the navy had remote control." The X-Men only become involved when Professor X is reading the morning paper several days later about a single freighter shelling an island nation and he's like "only Magneto would dare."
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Ghostlight posted:The best thing is that Angel is like "weird, a completely full freighter travelling at full speed across the ocean. guess it's remote control" and fucks off, then mentions it to Professor X who is like "I didn't know the navy had remote control." The X-Men only become involved when Professor X is reading the morning paper several days later about a single freighter shelling an island nation and he's like "only Magneto would dare." "A US ship attacked an island nation. Only Magneto would dare!" Err...
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evilmiera posted:"A US ship attacked an island nation. Only Magneto would dare!" If there was only one ship, yeah, I buy it.
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Push El Burrito posted:The best part of old Iron Man comics was seeing him charge the suit by just plugging it into the wall. Also him wearing the ginormous chest plate under his clothes and it not being noticeable. Even when he slimmed it down in the red and gold armor there was no way everyone he saw wouldn’t have noticed. That and the Angel hiding HUGE wings under his shirt in the back are the biggest “it’s the silver age, I just have to suspend a certain level of disbelief” things.
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GPTribefan posted:Also him wearing the ginormous chest plate under his clothes and it not being noticeable. Even when he slimmed it down in the red and gold armor there was no way everyone he saw wouldn’t have noticed. Don't forget Captain America keeping his shield strapped to his back under his clothes. At least Superman could crush his civilian clothes tiny with superstrength to store in his cape pocket, and then stretch them out when he wanted to change back. Clark Kent must have looked wrinkled all the time though.
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Selachian posted:Don't forget Captain America keeping his shield strapped to his back under his clothes. (Heat vision + cold breath) = steam + super strength = portable iron. Clark always looked freshly pressed.
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