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Syncopated posted:Perez says in his interview that the reason PSG, Bayern and Dortmund aren't in is because they weren't asked, not that they refused. Does anyone believe this? Leaked documents from before the interview already confirmed that not to be true lmao.
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Budzilla posted:I will say I have no skin in this game but I do find football interesting since it is the world's game. A lot of people would only watch the game once or twice a year at home or in a bar this is the sort 'fan' the clubs' owners are eyeing at. Most people in non-football markets have only heard of a few big name teams like the ones in the Super League and if they can plaster those names all the time for game fixtures then that is a huge win for them. We did just fine with 'fans' and 'plastics' before op
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Butterfly Valley posted:We did just fine with 'fans' and 'plastics' before op To be fair, "fans of the future" is such an awesomely condescending euphemism that I think I like it better
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Maybe Sky are going crazy about this because the pooper league is going to go all NFL Game Pass and cut out the middle man.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Maybe Sky are going crazy about this because the pooper league is going to go all NFL Game Pass and cut out the middle man. Well yeah, thats pretty much the exact reason
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everyone involved here is acting out of some form of self-interest with the possible exception of, like, old players it's ok to be self-interested, we as people who like football but don't actually own any clubs are in fact acting out of our own self-interest if we work to oppose this mess
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short twitter thread looking at the finances behind this https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1384437404984041473?s=20 https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1384438385557835776?s=20
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CyberPingu posted:Well yeah, thats pretty much the exact reason Most people I have seen are more along the 'lol G Nev and friends are going mad now but they'll be commentating on it next year' etc school of thought. But these are the same people who believe all the players will be banned from internationals. Same as the ECB banned England players from going to the IPL.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Most people I have seen are more along the 'lol G Nev and friends are going mad now but they'll be commentating on it next year' etc school of thought. But these are the same people who believe all the players will be banned from internationals. Same as the ECB banned England players from going to the IPL. Neville has always hated the insane money being thrown around at the cost of the clubs values. I think the difference is between this and the IPL is that there was a working relationship and plans with the IPL were hashed out with the ECB, as opposed to the IPL just going "Hey we bought these players, gently caress you"
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Double post because SA is hosed today
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peanut- posted:Disagree. A rich guy splashing money is football ownership tradition. The American finance ghouls and others who just want to maximise the profit machine are who is driving this.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:57
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Didnt Abramovich say he literally wanted to buy the PL title when he first came in?
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I know Barca are absolutely desperate for cash, but the temptation to be the first ones to back out and look good and leave Florentino Perez holding the bag must be strong.
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I remember the Abramovic purchase feeling momentous at the time even though I don’t give a poo poo about the PL, but never would have thought things would get this bad lol
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are these clubs even able to back out without taking a huge bath? i'm sure the ESL spiderweb of shell companies will have plenty of lawyers ready to go
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Fans aren't going to unite and stop this. The ingrained hatreds and rivalries are too much. Fans will blame someone else probably not associated with their own club (Perez, Abramovic, Glazer etc) and the parochial bullshit will win.
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pointsofdata posted:are these clubs even able to back out without taking a huge bath? i'm sure the ESL spiderweb of shell companies will have plenty of lawyers ready to go There is no going back. This has been planned for awhile, I'm sure these clubs and ESL have contingency plans in place to deal with negative fallout.
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Apr 20, 2021 11:12
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what's the ESL playoff final going to be called? Super Ball?
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pointsofdata posted:what's the ESL playoff final going to be called? Super Ball?
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biglads posted:Fans aren't going to unite and stop this. The ingrained hatreds and rivalries are too much. Fans can do gently caress all. The governing bodies need to stop this.
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Syncopated posted:Perez says in his interview that the reason PSG, Bayern and Dortmund aren't in is because they weren't asked, not that they refused. Does anyone believe this? I for one certainly believe that they didn't invite the largest club from the richest and most populous country in Europe
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biglads posted:Fans aren't going to unite and stop this. The ingrained hatreds and rivalries are too much. So far, this hasn't been the case. Most fans of these clubs seem to be laying it at their own owners doors.
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CyberPingu posted:Fans can do gently caress all. The governing bodies need to stop this.
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pointsofdata posted:what's the ESL playoff final going to be called? Super Ball? Super Cup!
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CyberPingu posted:Fans can do gently caress all. The governing bodies need to stop this. I think I said on page 2 or 3 that this was only great for lawyers..... If UEFA go through with their threat to kick these teams out of the CL it ends in a welter of court cases, the games get played 'under protest' and in September 2028 the Court of Arbitration for Sport lets us know that the 2020-21 Champions League was actually won by Hajduk Split. It's sadly going to come down to who has the deepest pockets to fund the legal shenanigans.
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err posted:There is no going back. This has been planned for awhile, I'm sure these clubs and ESL have contingency plans in place to deal with negative fallout. There's always going back.
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peanut- posted:I know Barca are absolutely desperate for cash, but the temptation to be the first ones to back out and look good and leave Florentino Perez holding the bag must be strong. It's not the Spanish clubs, the reaction is much less vitriolic there as I've indicated. If you know spanish just go through twitter and you'll see. If anyone's getting cold feet it's the Prem teams since even the gov and the gov opposition says they will gently caress em, which I doubt they predicted.
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Flayer posted:Exactly, fans have zero power to stop this when the global interests that own the clubs can sell the TV rights (or get injected by hedge funds) for billions upon billions of dollars. You could have nobody turning up to games and it would make commercial sense for the owners to fill the stadium with ringers and cardboard cutouts. Or just move a bunch of games abroad. Don't get caught up in thinking local supporters have any agency or are in any way to blame for this. Last year has shown that fanless stadiums work.
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pointsofdata posted:what's the ESL playoff final going to be called? Super Ball? Copa de la Superliga
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Algol Star posted:Copa de la Superliga
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If Barca backs out the thing is dead. This would be hilarity of the highest form, surpassing this entire shebang. But again, the clubs in this league are not there because they are good, but because they are in debt - they are the ones who win by buying players instead of developing them, and I don't think they have a plan to do anything else. So it looks like this will continue. It's viable because big name clubs are there, and international fans care mostly about Spain and England. What do the 150 million people in Europe, who don't watch this, matter, if you get like 200 million Americans and x million Chinese fans? English fans will watch it - they let their PL teams get sold out to oligarchs and billionaires, so you can't expect them to suddenly start caring about Football. It's really telling that half the clubs are English anyway - the country which created the game is also now killing it. Either something happens in Spain and the thing dies, or PSG joins eventually and everything else dies.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:If Barca backs out the thing is dead. This would be hilarity of the highest form, surpassing this entire shebang. Barca cannot afford to back out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAJVzkhGLio Haramstufe Rot posted:English fans will watch it - they let their PL teams get sold out to oligarchs and billionaires, so you can't expect them to suddenly start caring about Football. It's really telling that half the clubs are English anyway - the country which created the game is also now killing it. Some fuckin broad strokes you're painting with their chief not all the fans just laid down and shrugged when the likes of the Glazers came in, there was just gently caress all we could actually do about it besides protest. As for "English" not a single one of the ownerships bar Spurs are based in or are from England. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Bundy posted:
no I get that it's a systemic issue, obviously. I'm still gonna be mad at England tho, in broad strokes. Unfair as that may be. Germany doesn't do that bullshit, and Bayern still makes money. Heck, they even have decent players without being 1.2 billion in debt lmao. Edit: English, UK, Britain whatever. You know what I mean. Same country-ish. I wanna be mad at someone okay?
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Haramstufe Rot posted:If Barca backs out the thing is dead. This would be hilarity of the highest form, surpassing this entire shebang. gently caress off dipshit. We didn't let this happen.
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