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Kim Justice posted:I don't see why some of you are being so lovely to DoctorWhat. Like, his position is a bit extreme but there are certainly aspects of it that I agree with, it's resulted in some quite decent discussion over the past few pages and he hasn't really been much of a dick about it. Hell even disagreeing with it is fine and cool but a few replies are just calling him stupid for believing something other people don't and literally going out of his way to say he doesn't also think it's mandatory for everyone to do things his way. 
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Apr 20, 2021 12:23
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You're a monster, doctorwhat. 
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Apr 20, 2021 12:29
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What are we talking about again?
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Apr 20, 2021 12:29
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Calling it revisionism is still stupid tho is the point people were making. Like it's not revisionism to air the show in an order that wasn't how you first watched it, you weirdo. Seeing Goku appear and beat up Burter and Jeice before flipping back to Raditz is an integral part of the viewing experience which ramps up tension for the inevitable fight with Captain Ginyu. It shows you how far he's come, and reminds you of how far there is still to go.
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Apr 20, 2021 12:47
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Kim Justice posted:I don't see why some of you are being so lovely to DoctorWhat. Like, his position is a bit extreme but there are certainly aspects of it that I agree with, it's resulted in some quite decent discussion over the past few pages and he hasn't really been much of a dick about it. Immediately dropping the term 'revisionism' when people simply said that broadcast order wasn't a good way to watch a show, if nothing else, displays a pretty blunt lack of loving tact. That said, at this point, I'm treating it like a fun version of Bottles. You know, where the 'artistic hubris' spills magnificently and even has valid points, while also admitting, unlike ol Bottles, that they realize how batshit several of their complaints are, it's honestly refreshing. Still gonna stick with the possession line though, the demons didn't make Bottles turn into Elon Musk and the Submariner Rescue.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:35
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...Okay, are you all talking in code right now? Is this a thread-wide stroke?
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Apr 20, 2021 13:37
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BrianWilly posted:...Okay, are you all talking in code right now? Is this a thread-wide stroke? Call the Bondulance
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Apr 20, 2021 13:41
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Whether or not you agree with the point, it's obvious from context that DoctorWhat means 'revisionist' literally, as in you're replacing the historical object with a more modern one. And not, y'know, calling you all Trotskyist dogs.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:42
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This argument is more inane than subs Vs dubs
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Apr 20, 2021 13:44
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Well, that's exactly what a revisionist Trotskyite counter-revolutionary moderator would say on the subject of TV cartoon viewing orders.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:56
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DoctorWhat posted:If you see art as being a question of creator intent, your argument makes perfect sense. i notice too, that more recent remakes/remasters tend to str8 up butcher a lot of the original's lighting/post-processing because they're no longer bound by inferior hardware. in particular, "fixing" the fog thats was probably used to obscure bad LODs/performance ends up significantly impacting the atmosphere and feel of the game. a good compromise for me would be if they were to ship an emulatable copy of the game alongside it. also ps5 demon souls looks like WoW, you really would be better served playing the original instead.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:06
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josh04 posted:It's not a slur on gaming enthusiasts that they don't sufficiently care, it's a criticism of the industry that is, among other things, actively trying to remove resources like the ones you listed. All I want to say is that a remake is not an equivalent substitute for the original, but the industry likes to present it as being so when producing them. There's marketing reasons behind pushing a game as a "new, improved version" and discarding the old one nobody buys anymore. These are both issues across entertainment mediums, like all the dumb marketing around the disquieting CGI The Lion King remake going "look at how far animation has come!" as if the realistically rendered fur was what was holding The Lion King back from true perfection this whole time. But like you said, it's an industry-level ill. Trying to replicate a specific "watch order" for a show feels like a separate issue though, like one of those thought experiments about the "optimal watch order" for all the Star Wars movie. Like yeah, if you've got an old show that managed to have a full DVD bundled release, then marathon watching it on your nice widescreen isn't going to be the same experience as watching it as it came out in the 90s. It's not possible to perfectly reconstruct that context. A more apt video game metaphor would be like hunting down a functioning CRT TV, SNES + cartridges, and a musty wood-paneled basement to sit on the floor of because you never got to play Super Mario World the "original way".
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Apr 20, 2021 14:10
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There is lots of interesting chat about how CRTs interact with retro games in a unique way though, that's now in vogue after years of people looking for the crispest pixel art. I don't think we're disagreeing necessarily, there's just not one 'proper' way to approach experiencing retro media.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:24
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BrianWilly posted:...Okay, are you all talking in code right now? Is this a thread-wide stroke? If (Game == Art) Print Derail.txt Else Return to Starwars Chat
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Apr 20, 2021 14:40
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I assume most people interested have seen it but HBomberguy and Shannon Strucci did a video about how the aesthetics of VHS were (and are) important and have a different impact to modern, high definition footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbZMqS-fW-8
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Apr 20, 2021 14:55
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It's hard to really explain why but Spyro: Reignited is the only good remaster that isn't just the original game in a more convenient package.
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Apr 20, 2021 15:46
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SkeletonHero posted:It's hard to really explain why but Spyro: Reignited is the only good remaster that isn't just the original game in a more convenient package. SaGa Frontier Remastered just came out, and it's both the original game in a more convenient package AND a shitton of new content that incorporates a bunch of side material into the main game. It's good as poo poo and I kinda hope it sets the standard, even though I absolutely know better.
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Apr 20, 2021 15:49
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:SaGa Frontier Remastered just came out, and it's both the original game in a more convenient package AND a shitton of new content that incorporates a bunch of side material into the main game. It's good as poo poo and I kinda hope it sets the standard, even though I absolutely know better. I was just about to post basically this same thing Not every day the original creator of a game gets to go back and finish it 24 years later.
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Apr 20, 2021 15:59
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none of my questions about the role of the author got answered so frankly, im going to rampage wildly now
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Apr 20, 2021 16:04
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The Crash 1-3 remake I always just missed jumps, and could never seem to learn the correct timing.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:04
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fun hater posted:none of my questions about the role of the author got answered so frankly, im going to rampage wildly now "authors" are a myth invented by Big Literary Canon
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Apr 20, 2021 16:17
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:SaGa Frontier Remastered just came out, and it's both the original game in a more convenient package AND a shitton of new content that incorporates a bunch of side material into the main game. It's good as poo poo and I kinda hope it sets the standard, even though I absolutely know better. Harrow posted:I was just about to post basically this same thing Yea it rules and also for people that want an experience more in line with the original release they can turn off all the new stuff too. I wouldn't wanna do that at all but hey it's great for those that do want that option.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:25
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bobjr posted:The Crash 1-3 remake I always just missed jumps, and could never seem to learn the correct timing.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:54
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's because they make the physics of the game relative to positioning rather than fixed. Not sure why they did this, made all the bridge levels all unnecessarily hard. As I understand it, aren't the physics for all three games based off Crash 2 or 3's, so the other games are hosed in places that were built for the peculiarities of their own original physics engines?
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Apr 20, 2021 16:56
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bobjr posted:The Crash 1-3 remake I always just missed jumps, and could never seem to learn the correct timing. yeah. like i kick all sorts of rear end in spyro but i can't do crash games. i suck alot at them and i tend to be good at timing and poo poo. i know its me and not the game, so its just my issue.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:58
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i am going to cum unbelievably hard inside of inugami korone (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 20, 2021 17:03
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cum posted:i am going to cum unbelievably hard inside of inugami korone Good luck, gamer.
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Apr 20, 2021 17:03
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's because they make the physics of the game relative to positioning rather than fixed. Not sure why they did this, made all the bridge levels all unnecessarily hard. I read about that. I have a fondness for those first games, so some wonky physics making things unnecessarily hard is a huge bummer (the games are tough enough as it is). I get a kick out of the visceral reaction Giantbomb has to those games. Like running towards the camera is the worst thing in the history of video games and somehow these games are trash because Mario 64 exists.
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Apr 20, 2021 17:07
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Yeah i wasn't using "revisionism" to evoke Stalin's photoshopping efforts I meant it, like, literally.
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Apr 20, 2021 17:09
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Big talk coming from someone who has multiple edited posts in this very thread!!
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Apr 20, 2021 17:15
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So you're saying that my posts are art?
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Apr 20, 2021 17:25
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DoctorWhat posted:So you're saying that my posts are art? Only if they have an easy mode
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Apr 20, 2021 17:25
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I find easy modes for my posts take a huge amount of development work, but I'm open to adding accessibility features like slowdown and mapping options.
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Apr 20, 2021 17:38
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cum posted:i am going to cum unbelievably hard inside of inugami korone You’re gonna have to buy her 18,000 fridges first
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Apr 20, 2021 17:41
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Apr 20, 2021 17:43
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Kim Justice posted:I don't see why some of you are being so lovely to DoctorWhat. Like, his position is a bit extreme but there are certainly aspects of it that I agree with, it's resulted in some quite decent discussion over the past few pages and he hasn't really been much of a dick about it. Yeah this. Honestly, it's refreshing to see a unique take and have a discussion over it instead of arguing over the same dumb bullshit we always do. Plus its not like his position is harmful or bigoted in anyway SkeletonHero posted:It's hard to really explain why but Spyro: Reignited is the only good remaster that isn't just the original game in a more convenient package. The funny thing is Spyro Reignited is exactly what I think of when I think of bad remakes. I got it for Christmas last year and enjoyed my time with it but I hate how radically different the art style is. The characters and the world itself look way different stylistically from the originals. Maybe it's because I've replayed the OT Spyro trilogy again and again throughout my life so I'm used to that look but normally I love graphical updates of old games. I think the new CoD Modern Warfare Remasters pretty much can replace the ogs because they're pretty loyal to the source material for the most part (except Nikolai looks way different now for some reason but besides that lol) https://twitter.com/dril/status/922321981
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Apr 20, 2021 18:11
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Picross 3D round 2 is art but that's about it
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Apr 20, 2021 18:18
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The beauty of Picross is that it's a whole game about making the process of discovering and understanding art/sculpture into something extrinsically satisfying as well as intrinsically.
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Apr 20, 2021 18:36
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SkeletonHero posted:It's hard to really explain why but Spyro: Reignited is the only good remaster that isn't just the original game in a more convenient package. The Shadow Man remaster that just came out is fantastic, not only is the game dolled up a bit with HD textures and more modern system support, Nightdive also restored 3 whole levels that were lost/cut from the original, restored uncensored more gory and nasty enemy models and stuff that got cut from the originals, added two cut/unfinished weapons back into the game fixed up, reimplemented unused dialogue and little character bits in the spots it should've been, just incredibly high quality work for a cool weird cult classic. Also extremely cool VA Redd Pepper made a youtube channel, with a couple of his first videos thanking fans and stuff for keeping Shadow Man and his role as Michael/Shadow Man alive. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 18:37
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:SaGa Frontier Remastered just came out, and it's both the original game in a more convenient package AND a shitton of new content that incorporates a bunch of side material into the main game. It's good as poo poo and I kinda hope it sets the standard, even though I absolutely know better. Jamie Faith posted:The funny thing is Spyro Reignited is exactly what I think of when I think of bad remakes. I got it for Christmas last year and enjoyed my time with it but I hate how radically different the art style is. The characters and the world itself look way different stylistically from the originals. Maybe it's because I've replayed the OT Spyro trilogy again and again throughout my life so I'm used to that look but normally I love graphical updates of old games. I think the new CoD Modern Warfare Remasters pretty much can replace the ogs because they're pretty loyal to the source material for the most part (except Nikolai looks way different now for some reason but besides that lol) Yardbomb posted:The Shadow Man remaster that just came out is fantastic, not only is the game dolled up a bit with HD textures and more modern system support, Nightdive also restored 3 whole levels that were lost/cut from the original, restored uncensored more gory and nasty enemy models and stuff that got cut from the originals, added two cut/unfinished weapons back into the game fixed up, reimplemented unused dialogue and little character bits in the spots it should've been, just incredibly high quality work for a cool weird cult classic. Heh, you have all fallen for my trap and recommended other good remasters. Too easy. Dance, puppets, dance.
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Apr 20, 2021 18:44
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