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also important: you get the best animation set in Mesa Noble, which incidentally is very funny to put on Wisp
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RBX posted:Which one should I play as a newbie out of these 3? Mesa, Wisp, or Saryn? Mesa isn’t fun without arcane energize IMO and that’s not something a newbie will have access to Of those three I’d say wisp, her 1 is useful immediately and very energy efficient
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Apr 20, 2021 13:09
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hypnophant posted:Mesa isn’t fun without arcane energize IMO and that’s not something a newbie will have access to I don't have arcane energize and I had fun, but this is probably true
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Apr 20, 2021 13:12
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Mesa is very powerful but she might bore you on the game quickly, Saryn would be my suggestion. Plus, if you have cash to spare, she's a darling of the community and design team and has far more fashion options available.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:22
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You will want all 3 eventually. If you have a nuke frame already, go Wisp. If you don't, go Mesa. Its a whole different game when you have the option to play Mesa.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:22
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RBX posted:Which one should I play as a newbie out of these 3? Mesa, Wisp, or Saryn? Short answer : Get all frames eventually. Mesa is nigh-invulnerable killbot that needs line of sight. Wisp has a bunch of buffs and cool stuff. But she requires a bunch of late-game stuff to farm, so why is this an option? Saryn is (after a ramp up time) kind of the the most powerful killbot because she does not care about walls and line of sight. Survivability is mostly in a decoy she can drop (and the usual tools available to all frame) So, as a newbie I'd say Mesa is good (she's very handy for soloing open world stuff frex). She also has a prime with no MR minimum, so just trade for that. Saryn also has a Prime with no MR requirement, but might be more expensive. Don't plat buy a frame unless you've tried the farm for it and hate it. EDIT : Mesa def does not need Arcane Energize. She does need a decent efficency/duration, and hotkeying energy pizzas is a good plan once you hit the point you can have a stash of those. Notably she's also the only one of those three that's immune to harpoons (with her 3 up) so I also find her good for just trying out new weapons because if I need to suddenly kill something I can just shout IT'S HIGH NOON and delete them. Tylana fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 13:48
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hypnophant posted:Mesa isn’t fun without arcane energize IMO and that’s not something a newbie will have access to RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 13:50
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RoadCrewWorker posted:She's incredible without it, i played her for a year before i even had a r0 energize, you just have to mod for a bit more eff and toggle 4 on and off instead of being a stationary turret constantly. Same. Mesa basically let me explore and learn the world of Warframe to get enough stuff and practice to be able to enjoy Warframe with a less overpowered frame. See also Nezha and Rhino.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:54
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Mesa is only fun when you've worked out how to do peacemakers in the middle of your bullet jump.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:55
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Despite being gated behind the Ropalolyst fight (and thus, second dream and other quests) Wisp is fantastically newbie friendly. Her buffs give you arguably more survivability than a Rhino, though admittedly you do have to pay more attention to them. You basically throw on some efficiency and strength and she's good to go even without crazy mod setups. You're still reliant on guns to kill things which if you want to kill stuff with powers, yeah, Mesa/Saryn will be a better choice.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:58
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Phobophilia posted:Mesa is only fun when you've worked out how to do peacemakers in the middle of your bullet jump. Peacemakers in the middle of the bullet jump, delete the room, tap 4 again to get out of it, then aimglide to a soft landing 
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Apr 20, 2021 14:09
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Phobophilia posted:Mesa is only fun when you've worked out how to do peacemakers in the middle of your bullet jump. 
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Apr 20, 2021 14:13
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Tylana posted:EDIT : Mesa def does not need Arcane Energize. She does need a decent efficency/duration, and hotkeying energy pizzas is a good plan once you hit the point you can have a stash of those. Notably she's also the only one of those three that's immune to harpoons (with her 3 up) so I also find her good for just trying out new weapons because if I need to suddenly kill something I can just shout IT'S HIGH NOON and delete them. I said arcane energize out of hand but she at least needs some kind of fix for the terrible early game energy economy. Pizzas, dethcube, digdog, zenurik, whatever, but if all you can bring is continuity and streamline, Mesa just doesn’t work.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:21
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I watched a YouTube about all the warframes and out of the ones he rated highest those interested me the most because I like to shoot aliens but I also like Supporting and healing allies. If there's another frame that would fit better please tell me. And is buying frames with Play really really bad? Just once? I've been playing off and on since the start just never really stuck. I have stuff like Ash Prime, Ember, Volt and such but they're kinda...generic unless I'm wrong? Mesa possibly making the game boring is something I would worry about.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:22
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RBX posted:And is buying frames with Play really really bad? Just once? I mean it's your money, and the game is free to play. We just know how (technically) easy those frames are to get in the long run. I, for example, bought Harrow and never regretted it. But after 1k hours played I would regret buying any of your proposed 3.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:33
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I'm definitely guilty of buying frames and rushing stuff because I'm impatient and want to play with stuff on the weekends. I think the main reason that people recommend against it is that they're pretty expensive compared to stuff you generally use plat for like reactors and formas. If you're the type to splash on a plat pack when you get a good coupon, they're not too rough. It's paying for convenience, which is preference. Mesa's grind isn't too rough, but I could see buying her rather than loving with Mutalist Alad V. It heavily varies frame to frame whether it's worth it. I don't think most folks would judge you for buying Harrow, for example. If you're going to buy a frame that has a Prime, just buy the parts on the market, it's usually cheaper. If Ash Prime is boring, it's probably a matter of build. He's not super effective, but I enjoy him when stuff needs stabbing. He's got two major tricks, one is Blade Storm (his 4) and the other is Teleport with the Fatal Teleport build. Teleporting around and stabbing dudes like a cloud of ninjas is not to be underestimated for fun. He's amazing at the Arena missions on Sedna, even on Steel Path.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:37
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It sounds like you want wisp. Ropalolyst isn’t that hard and drops some unique mods too. If it wasn’t for Zephyr, I’d play wisp more. I like any frame that has interaction with parkour.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:39
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if anything I'd just ask around about how much of a pain farming a specific frame is before you buy a thing
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hypnophant posted:I said arcane energize out of hand but she at least needs some kind of fix for the terrible early game energy economy. Pizzas, dethcube, digdog, zenurik, whatever, but if all you can bring is continuity and streamline, Mesa just doesn’t work. You can buy it off other players for like 10-15 plat these days and it doesn't take long to just farm it either. It should be one of your top priorities.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:54
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OneEightHundred posted:The solution to the early game energy economy is the same as it's always been: Get Fleeting Expertise ASAP. Fleeting Expertise doesn't help frames like Mesa a lot. And makes you have to reapply your buffs more. Honestly Flow for not losing energy from orbs is probably going to help you more in that case.
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Ok thanks guys. For reference in the "story" I'm only just got the first junction or relay to the next planet from Earth? Whatever the beginning is is where I'm at. Not at home to check.
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Apr 20, 2021 15:02
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Tylana posted:Fleeting Expertise doesn't help frames like Mesa a lot. And makes you have to reapply your buffs more. FE + Streamline makes your skills cost 25% of base which makes everything drastically easier until you get Arcane Energize. flatluigi posted:if anything I'd just ask around about how much of a pain farming a specific frame is before you buy a thing (Khora is time-consuming but SO is good for affinity farming frames anyway so you can at least get it while doing something that it makes sense to be doing for other reasons.)
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Apr 20, 2021 15:22
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RBX posted:Ok thanks guys. For reference in the "story" I'm only just got the first junction or relay to the next planet from Earth? Whatever the beginning is is where I'm at. Not at home to check. Oh you are super early in the game. Do yourself a favor and don't look up what happens in the story.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:03
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RBX posted:Ok thanks guys. For reference in the "story" I'm only just got the first junction or relay to the next planet from Earth? Whatever the beginning is is where I'm at. Not at home to check. Yeah, you're crazy early. You've got really limited options at that point, but if you're looking for support? Getting Vauban out of Nightwave may be a good pick. He used to be crappy, but these days he's a really strong pick for anything defensive. You also theoretically have access to Gara (the Earth open world) and Oberon (if you hitch a ride on somebody else's Railjack) who have buffy/healy stuff.
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Mesadoram posted:Oh you are super early in the game. Do yourself a favor and don't look up what happens in the story. Yeah, it'd be a shame if he found out that Snape is Darth Vader and he killed Aeris' mother, Aerith, also known as the Lotus
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Apr 20, 2021 16:48
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The lotus was the orbiter the whole time. Ordis was her other personality. Everyone could see that from a mile away.
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The real antagonist is Railjack.
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Screaming Idiot posted:The real antagonist is Railjack. The real protagonist is Lunaro.
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Screaming Idiot posted:The real antagonist is Railjack. 
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Prop Wash posted:Yes, but I can’t put Nidus/Zephyr and Protea on the same frame. I can put Gara on a frame, and it accomplishes those multiple effects. Also, it restores far more energy than Dispensary, even with equilibrium. IIRC Spectrorage's "lure" is also unaffected, or at least has some effectiveness on, things that are normally immune to CC effects, such as mobs being shielded under an Arby drone. So there's that.
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RBX posted:I watched a YouTube about all the warframes and out of the ones he rated highest those interested me the most because I like to shoot aliens but I also like Supporting and healing allies. If there's another frame that would fit better please tell me. And is buying frames with Play really really bad? Just once? I've been playing off and on since the start just never really stuck. I have stuff like Ash Prime, Ember, Volt and such but they're kinda...generic unless I'm wrong? For reference on how Mesa works: Her 4 button puts her into "Peacemaker stance" where she stands in place and can't move, and rapid-fire autoaims her revolvers at anything inside a (very large) reticle on your screen. You can mod them to do ridiculous damage and firerate, so that playing Mesa in anything but the highest-level content involves tapping 4 and then watching everything on your screen die of extreme lead overdose over the next 0.3 seconds. Despite being a gun-themed frame, Mesa isn't really about your own guns very much, she's more about her own Peacemakers. They're very strong but depending on what kind of player you are you might get pretty bored with the autoaim thing.
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I am Railjack, and I have come for your blood, Tenno scum! *boss music plays*
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Get wukong he's the best! You can get the blueprints from the dojo. Need some niatin extract though which might be hard if you don't have any night wave credits. Edit: if you're on earth probs can't get argon crystals either. Ooof
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You could certainly do worse than buying wisp at the start. Not the hardest frame to grind by any means, but you do have to go through most of the story to get her and her motes provide incredible utility for their energy cost.
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That being said, I cannot in good conscience recommend that you spend that plat on anything but slots and potatoes
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Kesper North posted:They're all good frames but Saryn and Wisp are harder to build as a newbie imo. Distilling extractors on saturn are a good investment once you cleared the node for reasons relatating to hexenon!
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I just reinstalled this the other day on a whim after quitting years ago. I thought the story was nuts back then but holy gently caress, did that go off the rails. I love it. Also for some reason all my focus points are gone? Or rather the points are still there but nothing's unlocked. They seem to have changed the focus trees quite a bit so I'll have to figure that out. Looks like no more easy infinite energy for me. I think the last frame I saw them release was Harrow. Are any of the ones that came after him particularly fun?
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RBX posted:Ok thanks guys. For reference in the "story" I'm only just got the first junction or relay to the next planet from Earth? Whatever the beginning is is where I'm at. Not at home to check. Also, get in the clan and people can help you farm Mesa the normal way, somebody probably has keys lying around.
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Keksen posted:I just reinstalled this the other day on a whim after quitting years ago. I thought the story was nuts back then but holy gently caress, did that go off the rails. I love it. At some point the focus tree was reworked. If you set Zenurik as your active school, the middle node and one next to it related to energy, including the 'Dash to make a bubble of energy regen' one. You do not have to hop into spoiler mode to get the passives running either (though some do only apply to spoiler mode)
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TheParadigm posted:Distilling extractors on saturn are a good investment once you cleared the node for reasons relatating to hexenon! Jupiter, surely. Saturn is nice for rare bonus OCells, but Jupiter is the only Hexenon source.
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