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Happy Noodle Boy posted:it’s both bullshit and actually true. I think the latest FSD is a complete rewrite? it’s all hilariously testing on live it still definitely does the randomly turning off. that video posted last month (i'm pretty sure it's post-rewrite) had several disengagements. like this one where it's following a truck in a lane with a slight curve and a median, the computer just gives up and brakes the car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs&t=443s idk if it keeps going for 30 seconds without lane markings though, but i wouldn't be surprised if it did.
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Chalks posted:i love the idea that elon thinks the car with nobody at the wheel having autopilot disabled at the time of the crash is some how a good thing. what's he trying to argue, that the car just accelerates into trees when it's parked at the side of the road with no one at the wheel? the passengers being morons who self-drove themselves into a tree is the least bad option! yeah i found this kinda baffling too
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"whoever was behind the wheel chose for some reason to move to the passenger seat while driving without enabling the autopilot first" is a completely believable and reasonable explanation
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NoneMoreNegative posted:lmao You can never assess the current reliability of the system if we just keep changing the system! And I will boast about it as a win! How does this Teslahead not see that his attempted defense is, in fact, a deep condemnation of the entire loving system.
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hobbesmaster posted:supposedly the car didn't even have autopilot This claim seems to have sprung up, from people who would have absolutely no way of knowing but who are deeply interested in protecting Tesla's reputation. I've yet to see a single sourced article say that yet.
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LanceHunter posted:This claim seems to have sprung up, from people who would have absolutely no way of knowing but who are deeply interested in protecting Tesla's reputation. I've yet to see a single sourced article say that yet. Elon musk himself tweeted it https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1384254194975010826?s=21
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is autopilot and full self driving the same thing or are they separate features?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Elon musk himself tweeted it i thought he tweeted that autopilot was disabled at the moment of the crash? *edit* well then... erm...? how is that a good thing, elon?
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Mr. Nice! posted:is autopilot and full self driving the same thing or are they separate features? autopilot falls within the FSD suite of vaporware
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So the question then is, how did it manage to accelerate with no one to press the accelerator. I mean, they could have put a brick on the accelerator but in that case it would be a double suicide deal and nothing has indicated that so far...
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I read that tweet as they had AP but not FSD, but the "logs so far" show that AP was not enabled at the time of the crash. That's fairly precise language for Musk so I'm assuming further investigation would show it was on at the time of the crash (assuming those logs aren't destroyed from the crash). The wives of the guys who died even said they were going out to test out AP features, so they must have had them on the car.
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MomJeans420 posted:The wives of the guys who died even said they were going out to test out AP features, so they must have had them on the car. test failed, i guess? seriously who goes out to test a feature like this for the first time by not even sitting in the driving seat?
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i guess it’s possible the drivers side door didn’t open so they tried to go to the passenger side (then couldn’t open that too)? but it’s also possible that they were killed by the computer.
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Clearly autopilot randomly turned off, therefore it's not Tesla's fault they crashed.
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Mr. Nice! posted:is autopilot and full self driving the same thing or are they separate features?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:autopilot falls within the FSD suite of vaporware no, it exists, it's their driver assist package Mr. Nice! posted:is autopilot and full self driving the same thing or are they separate features? autopilot is driver assist, like everyone else's driver assist, but with no safeties and it doesn't work very well. fsd is autopilot +navigation and some other crap, it also doesn't work. see: https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/autopilot
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LanceHunter posted:I mean, an even more interesting possibility is that Tesla is delaying the log writing (or overwriting logs) any time it detects a collision to mark autopilot as having been turned off X amount of time beforehand. what if, instead of anything like that, what's happening is tesla is contracted to pull the logs and they're just lying about them?
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how exactly have they recovered logs from a lithium battery fire that required 32k gallons of water to put out? Seance? I'm not sure they'd really be relevant anyway given that nobody was in the drivers seat, unless....a ghost did it!
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:how exactly have they recovered logs from a lithium battery fire that required 32k gallons of water to put out? Seance? they're all connected to  and constantly upload telemetry to "improve" the "AI"
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Btw, I read the report linked in the tweet posted earlier. It does not make good reading. They took three random 2018 Model 3s and tested out their lane keeping, attention alert, dangerous situation switch of capabilities etc and A one of the cars kept flunking out on key tasks but overall the behavior wasn't consistent between the three cars either in several important respects. Utterly nuts. Oh, and apparently charging or supercharging might gently caress with autopilot behavior for a certain period after the charge. http://hal.pratt.duke.edu/sites/hal.pratt.duke.edu/files/u39/dms-min.pdf
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Munin posted:Btw, I read the report linked in the tweet posted earlier. It does not make good reading. They took three random 2018 Model 3s and tested out their lane keeping, attention alert, dangerous situation switch of capabilities etc and A one of the cars kept flunking out on key tasks but overall the behavior wasn't consistent between the three cars either in several important respects. Utterly nuts. pffft you can't expect a computer like that to be deterministic
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Apr 20, 2021 22:03
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so maybe they are actually running the driving logic on a neural net the mind boggles
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Apr 20, 2021 22:14
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Weird, I've never had to get a hotel for the night because the gas station I was planning on using was broken. The funny thing is this would be trivial to add to Tesla's built-in trip system, or at least it should be seeing as how Tesla designed both the cars and the charging stations. https://twitter.com/mazenhafezKTLA/status/1384674282517663748?s=20
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just call AAA and have them bring you a few gallons of electricity if you get stuck someplace
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:just call AAA and have them bring you a few gallons of electricity if you get stuck someplace I had a coworker ask me the other day if I could get an extra battery to put in the trunk if I needed more range, like a car battery or something
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FrozenVent posted:I had a coworker ask me the other day if I could get an extra battery to put in the trunk if I needed more range, like a car battery or something you've gotta get one of those emergency jumping kits, the electricity is more concentrated
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Sagebrush, tell the story about jump starting your car with a drone battery
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FrozenVent posted:I had a coworker ask me the other day if I could get an extra battery to put in the trunk if I needed more range, like a car battery or something i just have an app that maps to the nearest clock tower and nws reports, but i should spring for the iap for mr fusion
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infernal machines posted:Sagebrush, tell the story about jump starting your car with a drone battery that's kinda the whole thing. car was totally dead, i had a 12v lithium battery from a model airplane, it wasn't powerful enough to spin the starter but it did run the fuel pump and turn on the ECU so i was able to push-start it. also lol staying the night at harris ranch. it's a giant feedlot that stinks like manure. and not healthy cows in pastures manure, rotting feedlot death manure. there is a tiny airstrip beside it that i've flown into and you can smell the place from ten miles and six thousand feet
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ah, harris ranch didn't remember the name at first, but I definitely remember the smell
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A number of my friends moved to Santa Cruz or SF after high school so I've done the LA to Nor Cal drive countless times, I always get off at Harris Ranch as a rough halfway point to get gas / fast food. The smell really is amazing, you can smell the place long before you see it. I've only eaten at Harris Ranch one time and I ended up with a surprisingly lovely and overpriced filet mignon. I don't know how they pull that off when the cows are 5 mins away, but somehow they did. I'd rather eat at the Carl's Jr at that exit.
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they know you can't taste it i have hyposmia/"hard of smell" and goddamn that place reeked when i drove through it in a big hot moving van
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Munin posted:Btw, I read the report linked in the tweet posted earlier. It does not make good reading. They took three random 2018 Model 3s and tested out their lane keeping, attention alert, dangerous situation switch of capabilities etc and A one of the cars kept flunking out on key tasks but overall the behavior wasn't consistent between the three cars either in several important respects. Utterly nuts. Conclusion: WTF Car 2?
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Sagebrush posted:that's kinda the whole thing. car was totally dead, i had a 12v lithium battery from a model airplane, it wasn't powerful enough to spin the starter but it did run the fuel pump and turn on the ECU so i was able to push-start it. electroboom on YouTube did this with a bunch of D cell batteries in series didn’t he And then a big block of capacitors glued together which started the car and promptly burned up
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you can buy lithium based jump start packs so it shouldn’t be surprising? I have one, I had to use it a few times after I didn’t use my car enough and then the battery completely froze when it hit -30ish it was kinda impressive how deformed it was when replaced
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FWIU, "completely rewriting" enterprise software is insane and should pretty much only be last resort? Sounds like something some college kid who coded himself in a corner would do.
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Colonel J posted:FWIU, "completely rewriting" enterprise software is insane and should pretty much only be last resort? Sounds like something some college kid who coded himself in a corner would do. lol if you think that’s not exactly what happened
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:lol if you think that’s not exactly what happened Elon overheard “new branch”, ran with it and no one corrected him
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