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Rewatching TNG has made me realize that Tilly from Discovery is just written exactly like Barclay
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Hakkesshu posted:Rewatching TNG has made me realize that Tilly from Discovery is just written exactly like Barclay
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Apr 21, 2021 13:27
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FlamingLiberal posted:Barclay is way more interesting, and they kind of dropped a lot of the borderline autistic tendencies of Tilly from Season 1 when we get to Season 2 Agreed. Barclay's written and portrayed as someone who's well aware of their own mental issues and trying to just get through the day without feeling like he hosed up too bad because of himself. To Voyager's credit (!) when they bring out his supposedly-cured Holodeck addiction back it's shown as a pretty valid relapse into old habits's due to his support structure and friend group disappearing overnight when he left Enterprise for a new assignment. And entirely self-sabotaging in the face of his new co-workers and boss trying to include him in their social circle. Tilly is generic awkward-cute brainy girl. And that sentence is probably the entire description of her in the Discovery series bible.
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Apr 21, 2021 13:35
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Barclay sucks and so does Tully. They’re both meant to be comedic and they both fall flat
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Apr 21, 2021 13:36
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Barclay sucks and so does Tully. They’re both meant to be comedic and they both fall flat It was pretty funny when he scared Picard as a spider.
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Apr 21, 2021 13:38
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Azathoth posted:Like, how often do we still see shows contrive a reason for someone to read a text out loud to avoid having to work out a way to show the audience what the character just read. I mean, less often since Sherlock came out and they just show the text on screen like it's a fancy subtitle
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Apr 21, 2021 13:41
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Applewhite posted:If you showed a TV audience from the 60s what the present day actually looked like they’d be confused by what was going on. Fun fact, those screens on the consoles in TOS?  They originally weren't meant to be basic screens like that. Matt Jeffries originally planned for those panels to be perfectly black glass which would light up and display things on interacting with them via touching, an effect they'd pull off with transparencies and strong lights behind the panels:  Basically exactly what the LCARS was in TNG. However, the 1960s lights put out enough heat that to get them close enough you could turn on and off parts of individual screens, the transparency melted, so they had to give up and just have what we saw. They were also planning to have the overhead screens constantly animated and showing data for the captain to see about the station underneath, but union rules required they hire a projectionist per projector so it would have cost too much to have them all going, so they changed them to static images of spacey stuff.
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Apr 21, 2021 14:30
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I love speculative UI design
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Apr 21, 2021 14:39
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I like the clear Expanse phones because it means people can see the porn I’m watching on the bus. A communal experience.
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Apr 21, 2021 14:43
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Barclay sucks
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Apr 21, 2021 15:09
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VectorSigma posted:transparent displays are good for augmented reality but that's about it. make them switch between transparent and opaque and we're good. One of the things I liked about TNG holograms was that when they did have holograms as a display or UI, it was usually just solid, none of this flickery floaty stuff. Much more usable. On disco I could accept that it was less advanced but Disco 31st century and Picard both have all the UI holograms as star wars style transparent and it bugs me more than it should, especially since they've shown that they can make perfect solid holograms that feel solid. If they're going to make all the UI holographic now then... well, for example https://i.imgur.com/roUvn7r.mp4 If they were going to follow on the tech that we've seen before and extrapolate what you'd want to do with it, when rios swipes to bring up that control, it shouldn't be a projection of an image of a control that he interacts with like it's on an ipad screen that you can't touch so he's just vaguely waving a turn gesture, it should swipe in an actual, apparently physical solid wheel that he can turn. It'd be much better and also way less generic. Also, Discovery designers, color is an important tool in UI, feel free to loving use some other than blue. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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Apr 21, 2021 15:11
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yeah, hologram has meant something entirely different from floating intangible poo poo in trek ever since tng. more riker sex tables, less bafflingly obtuse user interfaces.
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Apr 21, 2021 15:18
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MikeJF posted:One of the things I liked about TNG holograms was that when they did have holograms as a display or UI, it was usually just solid, none of this flickery floaty stuff. Much more usable. It's because that's how Mass Effect did it. (Also The Expanse, which Discovery also cribs off)
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Apr 21, 2021 15:20
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Star Trek Discovery's all-blue bridge displays kinda reminds of back when Star Trek Online launched, and to make it look all futurey and even more techy than TNG, they decided to take LCARS and make it all blue and transparent and gradienty, because that's what future tech looks like right! (by the design sensibility of 2010, anyway) Anyway everyone hated it and thought it looked terrible and also the usability sucked rear end and eventually they redid and thought hey let's try out flat shading for clarity and also maybe some of these 'colors' to indicate different types of skills or statues or distinguish elements  And hey, it turned out much better and was way more readable and everyone thought it was a great improvement. Coda to the story, in 2019 they had to add an option to create discovery characters and reskin the UI for them, so now if you do that, the blue is pretty much back and it's like it was at the start.
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Apr 21, 2021 15:40
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Tilly is generic awkward-cute brainy girl. And that sentence is probably the entire description of her in the Discovery series bible. You're forgetting that she has aspirations of command but needs encouragement from her best friend Michael Burnham.
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Apr 21, 2021 16:02
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"her best friend Michael Burnham" is a scathing indictment of tilly's life choices.
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Apr 21, 2021 16:04
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I wonder which Prime crewmember disappointed Lorca the most? Obviously he requested Burnham because of his experience with her mirror universe twin. It makes sense that some of the other crew choices would have been Lorca seeing potential in people based on how they did in the mirror universe. I bet it was Tilly. Tilly is a smart but hesitant cadet. At the same age Killy is captain of her own ship. I bet Lorca had real high expectations for Tilly.
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Apr 22, 2021 02:40
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He might see Tilly as having been held back by an inferior society. Who was the dumbass security chief who got killed when she tried phasering off a limb from the tardigrade that had just proven to be resistant/immune to phaser fire in the previous episode? She'd be my bet for most disappointing.
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Apr 22, 2021 02:48
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:He might see Tilly as having been held back by an inferior society.
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Apr 22, 2021 03:31
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infernal machines posted:Man, who would have figured the Star Trek thread would be full of sex weirds? it's what Gene would have wanted
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Apr 22, 2021 06:09
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The quality of any TV show or film is inversely proportional to how aggressively the art department gets with the Orange and Teal. See because skin is orangey and teal is the other side of the colour wheel, and they've got to justify the $20k they spent on art school learning basic colour theory. It's the default look you go for when you're being paid to make an image look 'nice' and 'cinematic' but you don't really give the slightest poo poo about pesky things making it challenging like the atmosphere of the scene or the story. Digital colour grading is single worst thing to happen to media.
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Apr 22, 2021 08:42
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MikeJF posted:One of the things I liked about TNG holograms was that when they did have holograms as a display or UI, it was usually just solid, none of this flickery floaty stuff. Much more usable. I like how the main view screen on the bridge is essentially holographic without being spelled out.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:40
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Pastamania posted:The quality of any TV show or film is inversely proportional to how aggressively the art department gets with the Orange and Teal. 
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Apr 22, 2021 15:30
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I don't get what this has to do with star trek but I also hate this trend. I do abit of painting and seeing the way these things churn out blue and yellow films is such a disappointing use of colour. It's very difficult to unsee too.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:33
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from the blessed pics threadJacquelineDempsey posted:There is a person who lives on my morning commute route with the custom license plate "80085" on their car. It makes me smile even when I'm grumpy as gently caress driving to work.
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Apr 22, 2021 16:34
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Iron Crowned posted:I like how the main view screen on the bridge is essentially holographic without being spelled out. is that why the occasional side on shots also show the person on the screen from the side
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Apr 22, 2021 18:33
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Ds9 had a few weird hologram scenes during the dominion war. Sisko and the admiral chatted over them
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Apr 22, 2021 18:42
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Centrist Committee posted:Ds9 had a few weird hologram scenes during the dominion war. Sisko and the admiral chatted over them I know it was just a blue light shining on the actor, but it still looked cool and I wished they used it more 
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Apr 22, 2021 18:50
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Centrist Committee posted:Ds9 had a few weird hologram scenes during the dominion war. Sisko and the admiral chatted over them they did it for "for the uniform" because they thought it would be cool and lead to better acting/more dramatic scenes but thought it looked bad and only did it once more in the bashir is an augment episode the precedent for holographic controls was set in "the visitor" when future bashir says he hasnt worked with two dimensional controls in a long time.
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Apr 22, 2021 19:00
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The holo-communicator on the bridge didn't really work but having it in the ready room/office seemed to work and it's a pity they didn't give that more of a go, just have scenes where Ross is chatting to Sisko and then flickers out at the end.
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Apr 22, 2021 19:36
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Mulaney Power Move posted:they did it for "for the uniform" because they thought it would be cool and lead to better acting/more dramatic scenes but thought it looked bad and only did it once more in the bashir is an augment episode Just like flying cars and jetpacks, the idea seems cooler than the application.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:31
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The TV people think having characters sitting in chairs talking to screens is too static and boring.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:55
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Iirc in ds9 when they introduce person in ship holograms the maqui immediately get the tech aswell. Which was convenient for the sneaky man to wind sisko up remotely. Shame about the planets ecosystem he ruined as a result. Bloody griefing holograms.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:12
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not sure why eddington would bother to install the holophone after stealing it. not like it would work talking to other maquis. guess it was juyst to berate starfleet captains. probably could have sold it to the ferengi to buy food for his starving followers.
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Apr 23, 2021 01:33
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Eddington was so thirsty for Sisko to notice him that he probably traded all the Maquis food for it. Then blamed GOBERMENT 
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Apr 23, 2021 01:41
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Eddington going out of his way to steal new technology for no other reason than berating Sisko about Victor Hugo is 100% in character
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Apr 23, 2021 01:46
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Danaru posted:Eddington was so thirsty for Sisko to notice him that he probably traded all the Maquis food for it. Then blamed GOBERMENT ~~~notice me, emissary-san~~~
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Apr 23, 2021 01:49
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once again proving the best federation strategy for dealing with these clowns is to always bomb a planet from orbit (ABAPFO)
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Apr 23, 2021 04:14
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"126 million died in the bombardment of Setlik 3." "Federation citizens believe that the bombardment of Setlik 3 proves that we are still human." +3 morale empire wide
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The Jem’Hadar Did Nothing Wrong when they wiped out the Maquis
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