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Algund Eenboom posted:The word socialist being associated with people and organizations who are explicitly capitalist is, uhh, good, and uh I like it yeah i can hear Bernie Sanders saying this post out loud
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Dreddout posted:THE POLYCULE WILL DECIDE YOUR FATE 
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Mr. Lobe posted:Meanwhile if Austin red guards or whatever had more than the low double digits members you know there'd be a sex pest there, too. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was a sex creep already Austin red guards are like 98% fbi agents and most fbi agents are mormon so ya its a good bet
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Lasting Damage posted:I mean sure, but also the left is also comically disorganized and from past examples part of changing this is browbeating all the dumbasses that basically think social democracy is socialism, until they realize they're wrong. well, firstly, ARE they wrong? like i said, there are many kinds of socialists - libertarian socialists, reactionary socialists, and what is probably the most common kind (and arguably a meta-category that includes those others), the utopian socialists. was bernstein a socialist? fraid so. is alexandria ocasio cortez a socialist? yeah, sure. are either of these people marxists? no, which is why their ideas about what it takes to actually attain socialism, and what should happen once socialism begins, are confused and useless (that said, everything is in a process of constant transformation, people included, so someone who's a utopian today might not be tomorrow) secondly, is an actual marxist simply too good, too pure, to work with non-marxist socialists and other liberals in the course of building the working class movement? no, that would be ridiculous. frankly i don't think you ARE a communist unless you're working in solidarity with fellow leftists to advance the interests of the working classes in some capacity, even if the people you're working with are milquetoast liberals who just don't want their kids getting frisked by a cop whenever they enter their school building. if you're not organizing you're just, like, a part of the marx fandom
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if you work with liberals you deserve the backstabbing you’re going to get at this point
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if you work with liberals you deserve the backstabbing you’re going to get at this point pretty much everybody in liberal society is a liberal, including many self-identified socialists. the good news is that people are changed by struggle
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Ferrinus posted:well, firstly, ARE they wrong? like i said, there are many kinds of socialists - libertarian socialists, reactionary socialists, and what is probably the most common kind (and arguably a meta-category that includes those others), the utopian socialists. was bernstein a socialist? fraid so. is alexandria ocasio cortez a socialist? yeah, sure. are either of these people marxists? no, which is why their ideas about what it takes to actually attain socialism, and what should happen once socialism begins, are confused and useless (that said, everything is in a process of constant transformation, people included, so someone who's a utopian today might not be tomorrow) the dsa is a democrat party lobby group that uses far-left rhetoric and imagery to advocate for, like, healthcare and stronger corporate regulation. seems like the worst of all worlds lol.
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exmarx posted:the dsa is a democrat party lobby group that uses far-left rhetoric and imagery to advocate for, like, healthcare and stronger corporate regulation. seems like the worst of all worlds lol. there are definitely some people in the dsa who want it to be that but they're not quite getting their way
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Apr 22, 2021 21:00
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gently caress off retard (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ferrinus posted:there are definitely some people in the dsa who want it to be that but they're not quite getting their way And that's why their biggest recent national campaign was for a democratic primary candidate?
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:They loving spelled the hash tag uyghur then spelled it uighur in the tweet neither Turkic languages nor the other official languages of China can be represented soundly in the Roman alphabet so there are lots of ways to spell it, among them Cenk Uygur's last name. this is further compounded by the practical and symbolic relevance of Arabic orthography, which is no more suited to the task. Epstine!
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:And that's why their biggest recent national campaign was for a democratic primary candidate? no, nearly every faction of the org was behind the bernie campaign. what i'm talking about is fights over stuff like the decades-old anticommunist screeds still on the official webpage and engagements with such as defund police campaigns across the country one early indicator of the org's direction was a somewhat contentious but ultimately passed decisively resolution at the 2019 convention to NOT endorse any other candidate, even if it was warren, even if sanders ended up as the VP somehow, etc. obviously a part of the dsa was very upset about this but it was vastly outnumbered
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Larry Parrish posted:gently caress off retard Free larry
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smh probed for being right
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Ferrinus posted:no, nearly every faction of the org was behind the bernie campaign. Oh word
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KamK-9hxY relevant bit clipped here https://www.instagram.com/p/CN8hzeqNsmu/ lmao
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Algund Eenboom posted:Oh word yes. now, the question is, does this mean the entire dsa is a bunch of revisionist compradors, or are you just revealing yourself here to be a do-nothing ultra
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really queer Christmas posted:Free larry
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my least favorite development over the last year or so has been the trend for people in the dsa to call everyone outside of the dsa ultralefts. mostly because none of them have a definition of ultraleft that goes beyond "people i dont like." also free larry natch but it is nice to know that so long as the mods are punishing him it gives the victims of their various sexual crimes a few moments reprieve.
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apropos to nothing posted:my least favorite development over the last year or so has been the trend for people in the dsa to call everyone outside of the dsa ultralefts. mostly because none of them have a definition of ultraleft that goes beyond "people i dont like." also free larry natch but it is nice to know that so long as the mods are punishing him it gives the victims of their various sexual crimes a few moments reprieve. larry the sin eater but probes
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I do not like the term ultraleft because it sounds cool and makes someone feel and appear to be, say, more to the left than a leftist with grounded, applicable ideas as opposed to idealism. Just call them contrarians, it's what they are
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if you work with liberals you deserve the backstabbing you’re going to get at this point The solution is to never trust the liberals you work with. Minimize potential opportunities for them to backstab you as you look for opportunities to backstab them.
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Ferrinus posted:pretty much everybody in liberal society is a liberal, including many self-identified socialists. the good news is that people are changed by struggle
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Ferrinus posted:yes. now, the question is, does this mean the entire dsa is a bunch of revisionist compradors, or are you just revealing yourself here to be a do-nothing ultra how can they be revisionists if they've never read a word of marx Kindest Forums User posted:Theres actually a whole bunch of non liberals out there but they don't live in white cracker nations. we're making fun of DSA here, so that's besides the point
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Algund Eenboom posted:The word socialist being associated with people and organizations who are explicitly capitalist is, uhh, good, and uh I like it yeah really grinds my gears when people point to Scandanavia as an example of Actually Existing Democratic Socialism unlike terrible awful Cuba or Vietnam Ferrinus posted:the utopian socialists. was bernstein a socialist? fraid so. is alexandria ocasio cortez a socialist? yeah, sure. iirc even utopian socialists wanted to end the capitalist mode of production (I could be nrc my mind is a swamp lately)
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Kindest Forums User posted:Theres actually a whole bunch of non liberals out there but they don't live in white cracker nations. well yeah i'm talking about the context in which the dsa operates here. people on the still-reforming-itself international committee are trying to reach out to actually civilized nations for once but it's an ongoing process indigi posted:iirc even utopian socialists wanted to end the capitalist mode of production (I could be nrc my mind is a swamp lately) cortez might well imagine, like bernstein did, that capitalism can be attenuated all the way to its de facto end through progressive reform
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apropos to nothing posted:agreed. the mods are thin skinned vindictive little bitches and prolly should be able to flame someone back for the mildest of burns on this the forums that was founded on and continues to run on making fun of people and even and especially each other instead of pushing buttons and pretending it’s because you said the word bitch or called them pedophiles which is a grave sin but meanwhile there’s a whole subforum for planning and committing crimes Larry Parrish posted:gently caress off retard
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Im relatively sympathetic to AOC but her use of Socialist pretty opportunistic.
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ToxicAcne posted:Im relatively sympathetic to AOC but her use of Socialist pretty opportunistic. does it actually benefit her at all? I feel like she’d do just as well if not better in polling if she’d never adopted the term
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indigi posted:does it actually benefit her at all? I feel like she’d do just as well if not better in polling if she’d never adopted the term It gets her the youngish demographic who thinks Socialism means Scandinavian social democracy. Of course that would still be a massive improvement to the current state of affairs.
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ToxicAcne posted:It gets her the youngish demographic who thinks Socialism means Scandinavian social democracy. I think they’d have followed her anyway given all her other boilerplate progressive-liberal messaging. the number of people who voted for her solely or primarily because she self described as a socialist has got to be very small
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I don't think it helps her electorally to identify as a socialist but it does help her Influencer Brand online to a degree
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yeah, that's certainly true. I guess she could pivot to influencer pretty easily if she gets bored of the House
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most people are not faking their politics for clout. they really do believe what they say they believe, and their problem, again, is that they simply are not marxists
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Larry Parrish posted:gently caress off retard unbelievably bitchmade probation
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Ferrinus posted:maybe he won't use a slur next time ah bloo bloo
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some plague rats posted:ah bloo bloo that's what these people sound like, yeah
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