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Lone Goat posted:When WWE forces women to get cosmetic surgery does the company pay for it, or is it like how people have to rent their own cars? Shame! They'd never pay for a woman's surgery as they don't ask women to get surgery. They just apply indirect pressure and push the women the male dominated management finds attractive. So if you have some surgery to get a push it's your own choice and your own expense. Now that's a women's revolution!
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Again, this is PR distraction from a company trying to get ahead of a story about how it routinely sends fired women, and presumably only women, their belongings back to them in binbags. Charlotte's insecurity is plain to see, considering she's constantly getting cosmetic surgery. WWE absolutely plays off these insecurities and uses faux woke PR bullshit to hide that it's still convincing it's top female stars to get unnecessary surgery to fit their aesthetic preferences. You can get mad at Dave for clumsy wording but he's right. Or do you think it's a coincidence that the surgery Charlotte gets is all to fit the same mould of top female stars for as long as Vince has been in charge?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Charlotte's insecurity is plain to see, considering she's constantly getting cosmetic surgery. Ok I understand why you're not grasping that what Dave said was not good
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This was about her becoming a worse wrestler because she was struggling with the weight of her new implants, that the wrestling industry pressured her into getting. He was right.
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xbilkis posted:Ok I understand why you're not grasping that what Dave said was not good No please keep lecturing me with half learned twitter feminism.
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Half-learned Twitter feminism is no match for fully ingrained misogyny! Gonzo McFee posted:This was about her becoming a worse wrestler because she was struggling with the weight of her new implants, that the wrestling industry pressured her into getting. He was right. 1. "I thought [she used to be more attractive], yes. To me, yes. I would say so." is not a sentence that should be coming out of a journalist's mouth about a performer they cover. 2. Even if you set aside the words he actually said and assume he was trying to communicate that WWE pressured Peyton Royce to get implants, and he was right about it, and he's criticizing the company for pressuring its female performers to get cosmetic surgery that they don't necessarily want that's ultimately detrimental to their performance as wrestlers — it's still a hosed up thing to say, because you are also saying "Peyton Royce, the human being, is not in control of her body, and also she's worse at her job now." The line is crossed when you invoke an actual human being and assume you know what's going on in her head, or definitively say "This woman in the entertainment industry has acceded to external beauty standards and she's worse off for it." What the gently caress is someone like Peyton supposed to think when they hear that? "Thanks, Dave, for having my back!" xbilkis fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 09:17
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xbilkis posted:Half-learned Twitter feminism is no match for fully ingrained misogyny! If you're going to be talking about something ongoing like WWE enforcing a rigid beauty standard on women and pressuring women into getting cosmetic surgery you're going to be talking about current wrestlers who have had to go through that. If you didn't bring up Charlotte Flair, a woman who has gone through multiple elective surgeries to fit the same mould that Vince has seen as the standard for the past near 40 years, then you wouldn't be covering it correctly. People don't like to be reminded that they've been manipulated. Doesn't change that they have been. And now two years later Peyton has been fired despite getting the surgery they wanted her to. None of this poo poo is going to make her feel good and that's exactly why it should be reported. If it was completely separate from WWE, if all the women getting these surgeries were doing so of their own volition and completely unpressured by their workplace then fair enough, go hog wild. But it isn't the case and never has been. The PR of "This is a woman's body and her choice and Dave has no right to comment" is a move to provide cover for the pressure they themselves applied to women's body and choice. This isn't them being mad that Dave said clumsy things he shouldn't have, this is them mad that Dave is talking about WWE pressuring and manipulating people into going into painful elective surgeries in 2021.
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"Dave raised a valid point in a dumb and insensitive way that singled out a woman who didn't ask to be part of this" feel like such an easy middle ground to land on that I'm not sure why people are resisting it so hard.
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Lamuella posted:"Dave raised a valid point in a dumb and insensitive way that singled out a woman who didn't ask to be part of this" feel like such an easy middle ground to land on that I'm not sure why people are resisting it so hard. Sounds like some Twitter feminism to me.
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Lamuella posted:"Dave raised a valid point in a dumb and insensitive way that singled out a woman who didn't ask to be part of this" feel like such an easy middle ground to land on that I'm not sure why people are resisting it so hard.
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It's only kind of vaguely related but I think it's a bit funny when Meltzer reports something that he heard from a source and then the people in question reply all "wow Meltzer at it again spreading lies about me". Ok, well, why don't you tell him the real story, then? Then he doesn't have to rely on second-hand information that might be incorrect. Meltzer does tend to admit he's wrong when he's proven to be wrong (unless I'm wrong about that lol). Why does this business have to be so secretive all the time
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Apr 23, 2021 12:15
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dave, dave, the love slave
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a cyborg mug posted:It's only kind of vaguely related but I think it's a bit funny when Meltzer reports something that he heard from a source and then the people in question reply all "wow Meltzer at it again spreading lies about me". Ok, well, why don't you tell him the real story, then? Then he doesn't have to rely on second-hand information that might be incorrect. Meltzer does tend to admit he's wrong when he's proven to be wrong (unless I'm wrong about that lol). Why does this business have to be so secretive all the time Because the real story might be none of his business, so he’s not owed it and she doesn’t have to say anything to anybody she doesn’t want to. Just because you report in a field doesn’t mean you’re automatically entitled to every piece of information about the private lives of everyone in that field, particularly when they’re ultimately nothing more than gossip-rag tier mundanities.
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Charlotte could legitimately feel the way she does but I do feel like there has been a lot of performative outrage at Dave from WWE roster members, I remember endless "shame on you sir" tweets during the Peyton Royce thing. He is incredibly clunky and old man brain about phrasing his poo poo but I do think his brain mind is in the right place.
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History Comes Inside! posted:Because the real story might be none of his business, so he’s not owed it and she doesn’t have to say anything to anybody she doesn’t want to. Very true, which is why I said it was only vaguely related to the current issue at hand re: comments about Charlotte. I meant it in a more general sense when people go "Meltzer is lying" (vs telling the real story or maybe saying "the rumor is not true", which does not assign an agenda to Meltzer's reporting of something he heard). It was not a great post on my part anyway, nor is this I guess sorry edit: wow I gotta stop posting today, I'm super bad at it a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Raeg posted:Charlotte could legitimately feel the way she does but I do feel like there has been a lot of performative outrage at Dave from WWE roster members, I remember endless "shame on you sir" tweets during the Peyton Royce thing. He is incredibly clunky and old man brain about phrasing his poo poo but I do think his brain mind is in the right place.
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Lamuella posted:"Dave raised a valid point in a dumb and insensitive way that singled out a woman who didn't ask to be part of this" feel like such an easy middle ground to land on that I'm not sure why people are resisting it so hard. Like 12 of the 15 commenting ITT have this exact view.
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Dave Meltzer, delete you are account
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Dave Meltzer has died of Ligma
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It wasn't the original one but rather El Hijo del Ligma
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mkay0 posted:Like 12 of the 15 commenting ITT have this exact view. Cool, are those the people that were angrily shouting past each other immediately above my post?
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I mean kinda, goons love arguing over the 3% they don't agree on instead of discussing the 97% they do. Something something the numbers don't lie and they mean disaster for you in the posting dome.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I mean kinda, goons love arguing over the 3% they don't agree on instead of discussing the 97% they do. Let me break it down for you this way. Would you rather go home with a poster like me? Or that fatass Bluray Wrestling? (At least I think that's how the other part goes)
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Dave Meltzer can either be the nicest journalist you'll ever meet or a twisted psychopath.
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Enjoyed Bryan talking about his friend’s enormous child this morning
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Dave should get a boob job in my opinion.
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jesus WEP posted:Enjoyed Bryan talking about his friend’s enormous child this morning The lore of the Thor
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Have Charlotte say "Observe this, brother!" live on TV.
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This new lore of Dave is a bummer.
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Raeg posted:Dave Meltzer can either be the nicest journalist you'll ever meet or a twisted psychopath. He can be ur Kurt Angle or yuor Sonya Deville
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xbilkis posted:no criticism of Dave Meltzer could ever have merit if it's being levied by a WWE employee Sounds right.
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xbilkis posted:You think it's reasonable for a media figure to casually declare why a person he covers is electing to get surgery without contacting that person? The only way to get Meltzer criticized is to have an AEW employee say something bad about him
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Eat My Fuc posted:Dave should get a boob job in my opinion. We all should
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