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haveblue posted:Surely the most environmental burial is just throwing your body into the woods so the animals can have at it Doesn't capture all of your CO2 and final methane farts though. 
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Mister Speaker posted:The only big problem with the science in the show, and it is a big one, is that the old-school 'biker meth' P2P method they move to quite early on couldn't possibly yield any purity near what they achieve - it has something to do with chirality, I'm also no chemist. But this much can easily be chalked up to Walt's genius having cracked the code to separate the mirror molecules. This is actually cleverly brought up in an episode when Walt is grilling Victor in Box Cutter, he asks him "If our reduction is not stereospecific, then how can our product be enantiomerically pure?" to which there is no answer, except presumably in Walt's big galaxy brain. Yes, that's basically it. The right-handed isomer of methamphetamine is the one that gives all the psychoactive effects, while the left-handed one does only the decongestant stuff. But methylamine is non-chiral, and the "old-school biker meth" process makes equal quantities of D- and L- isomers, so you never get more than 50% of the product being psychoactive. Walt's innovation, which would genuinely be an incredible discovery in process chemistry, is some secret way to produce only the D- isomer from a non-chiral precursor.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:16
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All corpses should just by sent aloft with weather balloons, drifting in the jet stream until the balloon pops and Grandpa Joe becomes a "Them problem" and not a "Me problem"
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Apr 23, 2021 20:18
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Otteration posted:Cheapest and most environmentally friendly legal body disposal in the US (barring donation) might be basic pine box without embalming. I think heavy-duty cardboard is what cities use for unclaimed bodies.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:20
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NIMBY (Not In My Bone Yard).
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Apr 23, 2021 20:21
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Sagebrush posted:I think heavy-duty cardboard is what cities use for unclaimed bodies. Yep, forgot about the cardboard option where available. Not sure whether cardboard vs. wood is better on the environment, and don't give enough of a drat to do the math. 🙂
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Sagebrush posted:Yes, that's basically it. The right-handed isomer of methamphetamine is the one that gives all the psychoactive effects, while the left-handed one does only the decongestant stuff. But methylamine is non-chiral, and the "old-school biker meth" process makes equal quantities of D- and L- isomers, so you never get more than 50% of the product being psychoactive. Walt's innovation, which would genuinely be an incredible discovery in process chemistry, is some secret way to produce only the D- isomer from a non-chiral precursor. Man, those old-school bikers must have had the driest sinuses. Just a barren desert all through their nasal cavity.
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Otteration posted:Yep, forgot about the cardboard option where available. Not sure whether cardboard vs. wood is better on the environment, and don't give enough of a drat to do the math. 🙂 I would think cardboard would degrade faster than intact wood. Dunno about the various chemicals that might be used in both though.
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Mister Speaker posted:... I just had to go rewatch this scene again (S4E10 "Salud" if anyone is curious) because I'd always taken Jesse's statement as "if its so easy then go make it and get back to me" and you can really go either way with it. Jesse only mentions the barrel with the bee to Gus who tells the chemists that Jesse was under the impression that the phenylacetic acid would already be synthesized upon their arrival. Jesse then tells them to get his precursor while they all clean the lab. On the one hand, the Bee brand is never mentioned to the chemist but on the other hand a cartel guys asks the chemist how long it will take to get the precursor and the chemist says "I don't know, I have no idea, several hours at least" which implies he isn't making something he's done multiple times (of course he could be a new hire himself).
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Ror posted:This is where we can all learn from the professionals. Mexican cartels swear by it too, you just throw it all in a 55-gallon drum and heat it up. Don't overcomplicate things with chemicals you can't pronounce, just get some good old-fashioned lye. Well I know that if I keep pork trotters on the boil for 13 hours you get a very porky broth and some disarticulated bone fragments. This is the article (or a very similar one) Alkaline Hydrolysis aka Wet Cremation
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I no longer have the book but the wet cremation method is in mary roach's 'stiff' I think I remember her witnessing a demonstration of some kind.
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Speaking of dissolving bodies in the safety thread, a while back Modern Rogue did a video about boiling bodies in lye and at 4:08 in this timestamped video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-eMOCMDQj8&t=248s they show their previous attempt where they accidentally used an aluminum pot and produced hydrogen foam. The cold opening shows where the foam later overflowed onto the open flame and caught the whole pot on fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-eMOCMDQj8&t=10s
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Apr 23, 2021 20:59
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Aquamation won't completely eliminate ther body, you still have the bones and teeth.
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Trying to imagine the funeral ceremony that ends with "...ashes to ashes..." and then grandma gets tossed into the pen: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2020/08/05/can-pigs-make-a-body-disappear-almost/
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Mr. Nice! posted:They cook once or twice with psuedo then Jessie informs Walter that he can't get anymore because he ran out of smurf buyers. That's when Walter gets the idea to steal some methylamine instead to use as a precursor. Starting with methylamine is a weird process that no one does anymore, and it wouldn’t yield the “enantiomerically pure” product Walt crows about. The science advisor presented several options for processes. Methylamine was chosen because the actors could pronounce it. They mispronounce it.
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Platystemon posted:Starting with methylamine is a weird process that no one does anymore, and it wouldn’t yield the “enantiomerically pure” product Walt crows about. That's Walt's secret. He invented something nobody else knows about.
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zedprime posted:Don't they neutralize the body soup and put it down the sewer drain too It is every citizen’s final doody to go into the septic tanks
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Apr 23, 2021 21:13
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Cthulu Carl posted:I would think cardboard would degrade faster than intact wood. Dunno about the various chemicals that might be used in both though. Nit: making cardboard prob produces more co2 then making pine boards? Degradation rates probably don't matter. It's underground. 3 months vs 6 months, whatever. And for most deaths and funerals and families, cardboard probably ain't going to cut it.
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Alkydere posted:Payday 2 had a meth level where you combined 3 ingredients in random order to make your meth, all while fighting back an endless police raid. Caustic Soda, Muriatic Acid...and I think Hydrochloric acid. Yes, Payday 2 did indeed have a mission where you mixed caustic soda, hydrochloric acid, and hydrochloric acid; if you mixed up the order between hydrochloric acid and hydrochloric acid it would explode
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Apr 23, 2021 21:41
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Otteration posted:Nit: making cardboard prob produces more co2 then making pine boards? Degradation rates probably don't matter. It's underground. 3 months vs 6 months, whatever. Brazil had those cardboard hospital beds for COVID patients. When the patient expired the bed could be converted into a box for easy disposal of the contents.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:42
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Z the IVth posted:Brazil had those cardboard hospital beds for COVID patients. When the patient expired the bed could be converted into a box for easy disposal of the contents. India might need those in a few days, going by their numbers
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Apr 23, 2021 21:44
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Safety shun.
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EvenWorseOpinions posted:Yes, Payday 2 did indeed have a mission where you mixed caustic soda, hydrochloric acid, and hydrochloric acid; if you mixed up the order between hydrochloric acid and hydrochloric acid it would explode And in the real world, mixing hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide gives you...table salt. In water
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There’s a burial method I vaguely remember reading about that the end step was to shake the corpse on a table until it turned into dust. Does anyone know what that is, or did I dream that up?
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Z the IVth posted:Brazil had those cardboard hospital beds for COVID patients. When the patient expired the bed could be converted into a box for easy disposal of the contents. Yep. Quicker than pine boxes for sure. Whatever works. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46142977 E: Sorry, I guess work safety belongs more in here: "A Methamphetamine Dictatorship? Hitler, Nazi Germany, and Drug Abuse June 23, 2016" https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/methamphetamine-dictatorship-hitler-nazi-germany-and-drug-abuse Et al. Otteration fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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RandolphCarter posted:There’s a burial method I vaguely remember reading about that the end step was to shake the corpse on a table until it turned into dust. Does anyone know what that is, or did I dream that up? Gonna need some of the prior steps for clues, tbh.
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Otteration posted:Just curious, but what's the point/advantage? Cheaper? Environment? In the Midwest, regular cremation costs around $1000 atm. Probably over 50% of that goes into natural gas costs?
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Otteration posted:Gonna need some of the prior steps for clues, tbh. Unfortunately I don’t remember anything else with certainty. Maybe they froze the body with liquid nitrogen, but I’m not sure.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:33
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Searched "vibration based cremation" and came up with this.
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RandolphCarter posted:There’s a burial method I vaguely remember reading about that the end step was to shake the corpse on a table until it turned into dust. Does anyone know what that is, or did I dream that up? RandolphCarter posted:Unfortunately I don’t remember anything else with certainty. Maybe they froze the body with liquid nitrogen, but I’m not sure. You're thinking of "Promession", a variant of freeze-drying. quote:Devised by Swedish biologist Susanne Wiigh-Mäsak, who spent 20 years developing the concept, promession is an elaborate decomposition system that takes a body, freezes it, vibrates it to dust, and dehydrates it, to create what the inventor claims is the most eco-friendly form of burial ever devised. You didn't dream it up, it's just based on freezing, then shaking apart the corpse into dust, then freeze-drying it out. Gotta have that first step, otherwise all you're making is a human goop slurry. Predictably, the company went like 20 years without producing a viable prototype, and was liquidated. e: ^ Beaten by Scholtz SubNat fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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SubNat posted:You're thinking of "Promession", a variant of freeze-drying. Thanks for figuring that out for me. That’d be my choice.
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Slugworth posted:You can cremate a large dog (private cremation) for a couple hundred bucks, so I can't imagine there's 500 dollars worth of natural gas use in cremating a person. Looks like you are correct. Another reason why I hate the funeral industry. Yay! https://howtostartanllc.com/business-ideas/crematorium
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Slugworth posted:You can cremate a large dog (private cremation) for a couple hundred bucks, so I can't imagine there's 500 dollars worth of natural gas use in cremating a person. Dogs aren't people sized in most cases. Most americans are swinging around 2-4 labradors of varying size. I'm about 2 fat labs, or 3 in decent shape. Also pet cremations are usually done multiple at a time. Unless you specify you want it cremated alone, it's 2-8 animals at a time, depending on the size of the oven. At best, there's a divider keeping remains separate.
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RandolphCarter posted:There’s a burial method I vaguely remember reading about that the end step was to shake the corpse on a table until it turned into dust. Does anyone know what that is, or did I dream that up?  I posted a video about it on the previous page. Otteration posted:Nit: making cardboard prob produces more co2 then making pine boards? Degradation rates probably don't matter. It's underground. 3 months vs 6 months, whatever. How to dress up a cardboard cremation casket for a low cost funeral. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDfppCbKAXY
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A pretty decent chunk of the energy used to burn a corpse comes from the corpse itself
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When I was 14 or so my best friend thought that the most badass funeral ever would be to just have an empty grave and no apparent casket anywhere. But then the crowd starts hearing the intro to "Down With the Sickness," getting louder and louder. Your body is actually in a helicopter far above the funeral and the release is timed so that you smash into the hole in the ground at terminal velocity directly between the "ooh-ah-ah-ah-ah" and the riff. I don't remember if the body is in a coffin or not. I still think about it a lot, only now I know that OSHA regulations would probably ruin it.
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Humphreys posted:As a landowner with lots of space and stumps to get rid of, I would love access to this stuff. Alas I am in Australia where we may be free, we are restricted in 'things go boom'. It's probably for the best as I do enjoy alcohol and doing stupid things. Just do separate orders of Tanner and Ite or even Tan, Ner, It and E and "they" will not notice.
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I remember reading something a while back about a process where you get freeze dried, crushed into powder, and put in a pod that fertilizes a new tree. That seems like a pretty neat option, eco friendly, you get to give back to the community, and friends and family can come visit your tree. I'm almost positive it's not just from an Orson Scott Card book. Ror posted:When I was 14 or so my best friend thought that the most badass funeral ever would be to just have an empty grave and no apparent casket anywhere. But then the crowd starts hearing the intro to "Down With the Sickness," getting louder and louder. Your body is actually in a helicopter far above the funeral and the release is timed so that you smash into the hole in the ground at terminal velocity directly between the "ooh-ah-ah-ah-ah" and the riff. I don't remember if the body is in a coffin or not. Made me think of this commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEe_2g0Bjuc
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Ror posted:When I was 14 or so my best friend thought that the most badass funeral ever would be to just have an empty grave and no apparent casket anywhere. But then the crowd starts hearing the intro to "Down With the Sickness," getting louder and louder. Your body is actually in a helicopter far above the funeral and the release is timed so that you smash into the hole in the ground at terminal velocity directly between the "ooh-ah-ah-ah-ah" and the riff. I don't remember if the body is in a coffin or not. Also you'd need quite the bombsight and streamlined casket to make sure the body got anywhere near the hole, assuming you're talking about a regular grave sized hole. Most likely instead the body would smash into some of the attendees and it would be a surprise C-C-C-COMBO FUNERAL.
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