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lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

some plague rats posted:

Nick: imagine going to a bernie sanders town hall in blackface and asking him why we love doing crime so much
Stav: [cackles]
Me: this is too lore-heavy for me, I can't keep track of this complex web of relationships

I just like Stav's dumb laugh and it makes me laugh

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some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

lonelylikezoidberg posted:

I just like Stav's dumb laugh and it makes me laugh

Stav is the person all leftist guys should aspire to be for his raw sexual energy, infectious charisma and enthusiasm for eating pussy, unlike the guy this thread is actually about, who does not gently caress because he's in the CIA or some poo poo

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Nice heteronormativity

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

xtal posted:

Nice heteronormativity

what an incredibly cool thing to say. badass

Everett False
Sep 28, 2006

Mopsy, I'm starting to question your medical credentials.

It's weird because people keep using the phrase 'only good podcast' but no one is talking about BirdNote, the podcast that updates every single day with two minutes of bird facts. I mean, Behind the Bastards is obviously extremely good, but Robert has never dedicated a portion of the episode to describing a dove sunning itself in a garden, and I don't think there's ever been any meaningful integration of birdsong. It's always been the show's major flaw, but it felt rude to bring it up.

blunt for century
Jul 4, 2008

I've got a bone to pick.

some plague rats posted:

Someone hasn't been listening to the only good podcast, Street Fight Radio

oh hell yes. Street Fight rules

LeninVS
Nov 8, 2011

All this talk of raytheon and no talk of the company that does the aiming. L3-wescam.
Precision when you need to blow up a wedding party.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

rotinaj posted:

I am too normie and too high to be able to cut through all the layers of irony and recursive humor surrounding that entire podcast zone and understand what the gently caress the deal is with cum town vs red scare vs chapo trap house

WYE/Even More News really doesn’t do anything whatsoever to differentiate from one another and they are extremely cross-referential to the point where I basically can only keep which is which straight when Robert is talking. Also for a few months it literally was not worth listening to both shows because it would just be the same people discussing the same topics. They’ve gotten better about it and guests help to break it up.

Chapo Trap House are a political and media discussion podcast, they critique and make fun of political and media touchstones.

Blowback is the spin off by the original producer of Chapo Trap House and is more informative and genuinely of the highest production quality.

Cum Town is a very raunchy and disrespectful comedy podcast hosted by Nick Mullen, who used to live with two members of Chapo and is BFFs with two other members of Chapo. Adam Friedland is one of the two co-hosts, and he and Stavros go on Chapo a couple times a year because these people are all just close friends who live in the same city.

Red Scare FUCKEN SUCKS and I literally have never met nor even heard of someone listening to it because they enjoy it. It’s like a purely irony-pill level show that just kind of blows rear end.

It does feel like an impenetrable wall of parasocial relationships but it’s easy to parse if you just take a step back.

lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

Everett False posted:

Robert has never dedicated a portion of the episode to describing a dove sunning itself in a garden, and I don't think there's ever been any meaningful integration of birdsong. It's always been the show's major flaw, but it felt rude to bring it up.

I'll say what we've all been thinking:

The man is right Robert

Do it you coward

lonelylikezoidberg fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 23, 2021

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Bust Rodd posted:


Chapo Trap House are a political and media discussion podcast, they critique and make fun of political and media touchstones.


Cum Town is a very raunchy and disrespectful comedy podcast hosted by Nick Mullen, who used to live with two members of Chapo and is BFFs with two other members of Chapo. Adam Friedland is one of the two co-hosts, and he and Stavros go on Chapo a couple times a year because these people are all just close friends who live in the same city.

Red Scare FUCKEN SUCKS and I literally have never met nor even heard of someone listening to it because they enjoy it. It’s like a purely irony-pill level show that just kind of blows rear end.

It does feel like an impenetrable wall of parasocial relationships but it’s easy to parse if you just take a step back.

This should be in the OP of the Disco Elysium thread on games (though with Final Cut it's a bit outdated)

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Can we stop talking about lovely paid casts? This is the thread that is specifically not about that.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
All of those podcasts except Blowback are free with additional Patreon options, exactly the same as Even More News. Does WYE have a Patreon or does it just have the same production company as EMN?

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


Bust Rodd posted:

All of those podcasts except Blowback are free with additional Patreon options, exactly the same as Even More News. Does WYE have a Patreon or does it just have the same production company as EMN?

WYE gets that sweet sweet iheartradio skrillah

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Oh good, as long as those ads about podcasts for millionaire entrepreneurs or that weird “autism is a DISEASE” group are keeping a roof over Cody’s head then they aren’t completely worthless

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Check your ad preferences

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


Bust Rodd posted:

Oh good, as long as those ads about podcasts for millionaire entrepreneurs or that weird “autism is a DISEASE” group are keeping a roof over Cody’s head then they aren’t completely worthless

p sure autism speaks got blacklisted from the hsw west (or whatever that unit is called now) pods once the daily zeitgeist guys heard. i get an endless supply of clinton (all loving three of them now) podcasts and that bear grease podcast ads now.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


that reminds me, wasn't dr oz's podcast an iheartradio one? has corporate said anything about this week's episodes? can we expect a bill clinton episode once that family gives up on the medium?

Danger
Jan 4, 2004

all desire - the thirst for oil, war, religious salvation - needs to be understood according to what he calls 'the demonogrammatical decoding of the Earth's body'

rotinaj posted:


Even that neat podcast series “blowback” I started listening to starts to dip into chapo territory and I was wondering if I’d need to pull the ripcord to avoid having to figure out all this poo poo


Needing to refer to my web of chapo guest hosts and timeline of dasha failed engagements to understand the intricacies in US meddling in Iraq

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Yeah, I've never listened to Chapo or Cum Town or any of those and Blowback was still great. I mean, it's a straightforward limited-series history of the Iraq War. I guess one of the hosts of Blowback is on Chapo as far as I know but I promise, you can even be uncertain of that, as I am, and still enjoy Blowback. Looking forward to their new season on the Cuban Missile Crisis, too.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

It’s always weird to hear complaints about the ads as someone listening from outside the US because all the ads I get are for other iHeart shows. I never get any of those sweet products and services* Robert wants me to have. Not even the Raytheon Knife Missile. :(

*Would a podcast be considered a “service”?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


AceOfFlames posted:

It’s always weird to hear complaints about the ads as someone listening from outside the US because all the ads I get are for other iHeart shows. I never get any of those sweet products and services* Robert wants me to have. Not even the Raytheon Knife Missile. :(

*Would a podcast be considered a “service”?

This was me for like two years, I thought it was a running joke that there were no products or services but just podcast ads.

Now they're running a Safe Auto ad which is the worst thing on Earth and I can't listen to the podcast unless I'm in a position to skip it, otherwise I'll die. And today there was a dick pill ad so Robert's finally arrived as a podcaster.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Chairman Capone posted:

Yeah, I've never listened to Chapo or Cum Town or any of those and Blowback was still great. I mean, it's a straightforward limited-series history of the Iraq War. I guess one of the hosts of Blowback is on Chapo as far as I know but I promise, you can even be uncertain of that, as I am, and still enjoy Blowback. Looking forward to their new season on the Cuban Missile Crisis, too.

Brendan James was the original producer of Chapo but the products are very distinct. Chapo at it's core is a conversational podcast about current events where the hosts joke about and react to the news that they feel like talking about. Blowback is a prescripted and researched deep dive into the Iraq war that wants to inform and entertain on a specific topic. I thought it was pretty compelling and I'm pretty excited to hear what they do with Cuba, especially given that they've promised to have so many people who were there for it all.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
I have about a 50% hit rate on getting the Better Help ad from BtB, which is just one of many irritatingly consistent ways in which the universe is trying to get me to finally attend therapy

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

AceOfFlames posted:

It’s always weird to hear complaints about the ads as someone listening from outside the US because all the ads I get are for other iHeart shows. I never get any of those sweet products and services* Robert wants me to have. Not even the Raytheon Knife Missile. :(

*Would a podcast be considered a “service”?

Same, actually. I don’t know if it’s that I have turned off targeted ads, but I basically only get podcasts, typically other iheart or Robert-adjacent podcasts.

I only listened to an episode of two of blowback and was liking it, but anytime I’ve tried listening to chapo stuff, it just becomes this wall of irony and jokes that can read as straight faced and it just gets exhausting. As does engaging with chapo fans.

I’ll go back and listen to more of Blowback, especially as I get into my workweek next week. Thanks for the recs to keep going, y’all.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I would challenge anyone ITT who uses “irony” to try and explain away what you don’t like about certain podcasts to actually explain what you think that word means or how it applies.

There’s this weird tendency on the left, especially among Biden-style progressives, to stylize or sensationalize anyone who uses comedy as “ironic” or “irony-poisoned” in a way to delegitimize the socialist ideas that serve as the undercurrent. The right/conservatives don’t give a gently caress about “irony-poisoning” it’s exclusively the perview of leftist infighting, something Warren-stans and K-Hive and Biden Boosters like to throw at anyone whose more radical or progressive than they are.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, “ironic” about Chapo. They are sincere in their position, they present their takes as plainly as can be, they believe in what they are saying, and using “irony” in this incredibly popularized-but-still-incorrect way only works to try and paint their ideas as jokes or insincere. Employing humor as a vehicle to communicate your ideas doesn’t mean you don’t really believe in them.

Another way of thinking about it: How is Chapo Trap House “ironic” in any way that Cody and Robert aren’t? Wouldn’t you categorize all of Robert’s jokes about “the fine products at Raytheon” or the glib way he laughs off history’s greatest horror or Cody’s... I mean if you hate “Irony” than how can you stand to watch even one second of Even More News?

Not trying to flame anyone or start a fight, I just think people throw that word around because they read it online and assume it’s part of the discourse now but I feel like no one ever stops to consider what they are saying when they say it.

blunt for century
Jul 4, 2008

I've got a bone to pick.

The only ad for anything on any podcast that got me to seek out the product was the ad for My Momma Told Me aired during Behind the Bastards, back in like August or September, and it's one of my all time favorite podcasts now

blunt for century
Jul 4, 2008

I've got a bone to pick.

Bust Rodd posted:

I would challenge anyone ITT who uses “irony” to try and explain away what you don’t like about certain podcasts to actually explain what you think that word means or how it applies.

There’s this weird tendency on the left, especially among Biden-style progressives, to stylize or sensationalize anyone who uses comedy as “ironic” or “irony-poisoned” in a way to delegitimize the socialist ideas that serve as the undercurrent. The right/conservatives don’t give a gently caress about “irony-poisoning” it’s exclusively the perview of leftist infighting, something Warren-stans and K-Hive and Biden Boosters like to throw at anyone whose more radical or progressive than they are.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, “ironic” about Chapo. They are sincere in their position, they present their takes as plainly as can be, they believe in what they are saying, and using “irony” in this incredibly popularized-but-still-incorrect way only works to try and paint their ideas as jokes or insincere.

Another way of thinking about it: How is Chapo Trap House “ironic” in any way that Cody and Robert aren’t? Wouldn’t you categorize all of Robert’s jokes about “the fine products at Raytheon” or the glib way he laughs off history’s greatest horror or Cody’s... I mean if you hate “Irony” than how can you stand to watch even one second of Even More News?

Not trying to flame anyone or start a fight, I just think people throw that word around because they read it online and assume it’s part of the discourse now but I feel like no one ever stops to consider what they are saying when they say it.

I think a lot of people have a tendency to use "ironic" when they really mean "sarcastic", and I've seen some people do exactly that when talking about Chapo being irony-poisoned.

edit: I don't listen to chapo trap house

blunt for century fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 24, 2021

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Lol go away bozo

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Bust Rodd posted:

I would challenge anyone ITT who uses “irony” to try and explain away what you don’t like about certain podcasts to actually explain what you think that word means or how it applies.

There’s this weird tendency on the left, especially among Biden-style progressives, to stylize or sensationalize anyone who uses comedy as “ironic” or “irony-poisoned” in a way to delegitimize the socialist ideas that serve as the undercurrent. The right/conservatives don’t give a gently caress about “irony-poisoning” it’s exclusively the perview of leftist infighting, something Warren-stans and K-Hive and Biden Boosters like to throw at anyone whose more radical or progressive than they are.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, “ironic” about Chapo. They are sincere in their position, they present their takes as plainly as can be, they believe in what they are saying, and using “irony” in this incredibly popularized-but-still-incorrect way only works to try and paint their ideas as jokes or insincere. Employing humor as a vehicle to communicate your ideas doesn’t mean you don’t really believe in them.

Another way of thinking about it: How is Chapo Trap House “ironic” in any way that Cody and Robert aren’t? Wouldn’t you categorize all of Robert’s jokes about “the fine products at Raytheon” or the glib way he laughs off history’s greatest horror or Cody’s... I mean if you hate “Irony” than how can you stand to watch even one second of Even More News?

Not trying to flame anyone or start a fight, I just think people throw that word around because they read it online and assume it’s part of the discourse now but I feel like no one ever stops to consider what they are saying when they say it.

Ok, forget the dreaded i-word, and whatever this strawman argument of me not being progressive enough to appreciate Chapo, or whatever.

I'll just reiterate this point

rotinaj posted:

it just gets exhausting. As does engaging with chapo fans.

I don't begrudge the Chapo guys their viewpoints, and typically agree with them. But it always seems like anytime I try to listen to Chapo episodes, or chat about Chapo with other people, it winds up like this. I'm not even saying that I am mad the podcast exists or anything, but even casually dipping into Chapo, it seems, requires me to write a three paragraph essay explaining the usage of Irony in Leftist Comedy or whatever the gently caress this is.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


i feel the same way about chapo et al as i do about c-spam: i agree with you a whole lot more than i do with liberals and progressives, but you're absolutely exhausting to engage with so i will do so a little as possible. it's for my mental well-being and the folks directly surrounding me are depending on me maintaining that. don't take it personally.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I stopped listening to Behind the Bastards because I was just mentally unwilling to keep exploring terrible people, so I guess I can relate to finding content exhausting or to be a drain in your energy. I find Chapo’s sense of humor and their opinions to make me feel less insane for wanting things like M4A or to not get bullied into voting for Biden, so they are, to me, the opposite of exhausting, they are rejuvenating.

However I honestly have no idea where one would even go to discuss podcasts with their fans besides the something awful podcast forums, and the Chapo thread here is pretty chill...

Unless you mean talking to people in the comments of their SoundCloud or in the patreon discord or whatever, in which case why would you be posting in such a place if you yourself weren’t also a fan?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

At its core Chapo is an entertainment product, and if it doesn't entertain you then there's no reason to spend time listening to it. Same with BtB or any of the other podcasts people have mentioned. Monday's Chapo had a deep dive long read of Thomas Friedman that ripped him to shreds, but after it was over Thomas Friedman was still wealthier than I'll ever be, and more influential amongst people who actually wield power than I'll ever be, and generally positioned exactly in the same place he's been positioned my entire adult life, as a thought leader for people who matter. It's nice to just roll around in how wrong and un-insightful and pig headedly dumb he is, but it doesn't matter really other than I enjoyed it and it made me laugh and smile. I listen to BtB for generally the same reason, it's just nice to hear people who deserve to get poo poo on actually get poo poo on, and it's nice when people don't have to pretend to respect lovely people just on the basis of their credentials or their legacy or whatever else.

People who think podcasts are praxis are idiots, just like people who think posting is praxis are idiots. There are other things to get out and do if you want to change the world or try to change the world. Online fans generally suck and nobody needs to feel the need to justify why they find an entertainment product compelling or not compelling.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Mr. Fix It posted:

i feel the same way about chapo et al as i do about c-spam: i agree with you a whole lot more than i do with liberals and progressives, but you're absolutely exhausting to engage with so i will do so a little as possible. it's for my mental well-being and the folks directly surrounding me are depending on me maintaining that. don't take it personally.

yeah. i like chapo but i haven't listened to them in like a year or so and i usually agree with them and find them funny. but i am kinda sick of the fan base. same with c-spam. most of the folks i talk to from there are cool and chill but its not my posting style and i get tired of the "always on" poo poo(no i am not defending "hurr brunch" liberals). i just want to chill post and not loving doom/rage scroll forever.

HashtagGirlboss posted:

At its core Chapo is an entertainment product, and if it doesn't entertain you then there's no reason to spend time listening to it. Same with BtB or any of the other podcasts people have mentioned. Monday's Chapo had a deep dive long read of Thomas Friedman that ripped him to shreds, but after it was over Thomas Friedman was still wealthier than I'll ever be, and more influential amongst people who actually wield power than I'll ever be, and generally positioned exactly in the same place he's been positioned my entire adult life, as a thought leader for people who matter. It's nice to just roll around in how wrong and un-insightful and pig headedly dumb he is, but it doesn't matter really other than I enjoyed it and it made me laugh and smile. I listen to BtB for generally the same reason, it's just nice to hear people who deserve to get poo poo on actually get poo poo on, and it's nice when people don't have to pretend to respect lovely people just on the basis of their credentials or their legacy or whatever else.

People who think podcasts are praxis are idiots, just like people who think posting is praxis are idiots. There are other things to get out and do if you want to change the world or try to change the world. Online fans generally suck and nobody needs to feel the need to justify why they find an entertainment product compelling or not compelling.

:same:

Wilekat
Sep 24, 2007

Bust Rodd posted:

the left, especially among Biden-style progressives

I'm not funny enough to describe how funny this is.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I'll have to add behind the bastards to my patreon. But ar this point I'd pay for a cable type service for podcasts if it had a good ui and cost less than paying about ten individual podcasts 5-10 bucks each.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




RandomPauI posted:

I'll have to add behind the bastards to my patreon. But ar this point I'd pay for a cable type service for podcasts if it had a good ui and cost less than paying about ten individual podcasts 5-10 bucks each.
I'm here to inform you that CIA/Raytheon/I ❤ radio funding has pre-empted the creation of a btb/big bad bob patreon.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Chairman Capone posted:

Yeah, I've never listened to Chapo or Cum Town or any of those and Blowback was still great. I mean, it's a straightforward limited-series history of the Iraq War. I guess one of the hosts of Blowback is on Chapo as far as I know but I promise, you can even be uncertain of that, as I am, and still enjoy Blowback. Looking forward to their new season on the Cuban Missile Crisis, too.

I’m curious how this is gonna stack up to the new season of Slow Burn, which is also about the Iraq War.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Mr. Fix It posted:

i feel the same way about chapo et al as i do about c-spam: i agree with you a whole lot more than i do with liberals and progressives, but you're absolutely exhausting to engage with so i will do so a little as possible. it's for my mental well-being and the folks directly surrounding me are depending on me maintaining that. don't take it personally.

Thank you for perfectly putting it the way I wish I had been able to.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah. i like chapo but i haven't listened to them in like a year or so and i usually agree with them and find them funny. but i am kinda sick of the fan base. same with c-spam. most of the folks i talk to from there are cool and chill but its not my posting style and i get tired of the "always on" poo poo(no i am not defending "hurr brunch" liberals). i just want to chill post and not loving doom/rage scroll forever.


:same:

And you.

:hfive:

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

rotinaj posted:

Thank you for perfectly putting it the way I wish I had been able to.


And you.

:hfive:

yeah. i just shitpost on twitter and sometimes on other places here. but c-spam moves at a mile a min and some of the threads are kinda um rough. anyway, chapo is fine, i like the humor but i prefer watching them on youtube and the various clip montages and stuff. my podcasts are mostly poo poo like BTB and lions led by donkeys and last podcast on the left and adeptus rediculous(which rob should go on)

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

HashtagGirlboss posted:


People who think podcasts are praxis are idiots, just like people who think posting is praxis are idiots.

Lenin's whole career until 1917 was really just shitposting, I wouldn't underestimate it

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