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I mean it's an open secret that the CIA does that poo poo and the CIA doesn't give a gently caress.
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G-III posted:If the mouse company had any real cojones they'd just recreate this scene and just swap out Jim Kelly and add Cap/Sam. I’m pretty sure David Grossman plays that as documentary evidence during his “warrior cop” classes.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:26
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mind the walrus posted:I mean it's an open secret that the CIA does that poo poo and the CIA doesn't give a gently caress. Yeah, I'm just saying I think its pretty funny that a Disney-funded Marvel movie has a CIA agent call the agency out, and some people still objected to that agent himself being a good dude who helps the heroes, as if perhaps the being willing to openly cop to his agency's lovely side is not perhaps relevant to him not being a bastard. Not that "the only good cop is an ex-cop," isn't a fair point or anything, but still.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:28
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Batroc got done dirty here, he did his job, fought off Captain America with office furniture, and got murdered after asking for a raise.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:32
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Thundercracker posted:Is that meme still a thing? I figured it died of embarrassment after Captain Marvel made a billion. I don't think facts and logic have much effect on some people who adopted that mantra. An Asian woman and black man take a sidequest to a casino planet and quickly reference how the rich and powerful ignore those in need in Star Wars. This alone is enough to hold on to the mantra despite Star Wars Episodes 7, 8, and 9 making a billion at the box office each.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:38
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G-III posted:If the mouse company had any real cojones they'd just recreate this scene and just swap out Jim Kelly and add Cap/Sam. I wonder if they'd planned for the gale force winds the day they filmed that.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:38
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Morrow posted:Batroc got done dirty here, he did his job, fought off Captain America with office furniture, and got murdered after asking for a raise. I was hoping he would come back as a recurring antagonist for Sam, bummer how he went out. It would be neat to see New Hydra rebuild him or something, I like Georges St. Pierre.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:47
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Morrow posted:Batroc got done dirty here, he did his job, fought off Captain America with office furniture, and got murdered after asking for a raise. While I really liked a lot of the show a great deal, and thought it made a bunch of quite rousing points... I'm a huge geek and this made me super sad.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:47
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We don’t really see the body or the wound, so by movie/tv logic he’s probably still alive somehow if they need him to be.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:48
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Morrow posted:Batroc got done dirty here, he did his job, fought off Captain America with office furniture, and got murdered after asking for a raise. Judging by the facial expressions Shar Bear made, if he'd just asked for a raise due to all the poo poo he was dealing with I think he'd have been fine it's the "i'll tattle on your secret identity" that got him prescribed with 9mm of lead.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:51
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Steve Rogers is alive, and on the moon.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:57
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Marsupial Ape posted:Am I reading too much into the fact that Bucky got barred from Wakanda but invited to a traditional American Black family cookout? Did anybody else notice Sarah 'mirin Bucky while the kids were hanging off his arm? I don't know if was a directorial choice or the actress was actually infatuated, but it's still hilarious. One thing I thought was cool was how comfortable Bucky was in that setting. And then, of course he was. His "moment of peace" was in Wakanda. Figure the only friendly faces he had aside from Steve were dark-skinned because HYDRA didn't recruit that many black people because HYDRA. Taking it further, as the Winter Soldier, Bucky was a slave as much as a weapon/assassin. And he was freed from that slavery by a couple of black women (Ayo and Shuri). Is it wrong that I hope Bucky and Sarah get married so that when Sam has kids, Sam's kids can call him "Uncle Bucky?"
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Apr 24, 2021 03:00
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pik_d posted:Steve Rogers is alive, and on the moon. I can't pay no doctor bill, but whitey's on the moon?
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Apr 24, 2021 03:03
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Everyone posted:One thing I thought was cool was how comfortable Bucky was in that setting. And then, of course he was. His "moment of peace" was in Wakanda. Figure the only friendly faces he had aside from Steve were dark-skinned because HYDRA didn't recruit that many black people because HYDRA. Taking it further, as the Winter Soldier, Bucky was a slave as much as a weapon/assassin. And he was freed from that slavery by a couple of black women (Ayo and Shuri). Not being related doesn't stop Hollywood from having a kid call an adult "uncle". It seems the only requirement is that they're a friend of the family.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:06
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Floppychop posted:Not being related doesn't stop Hollywood from having a kid call an adult "uncle". It seems the only requirement is that they're a friend of the family. Can confirm as I'm an uncle to a couple kids whom I'm just good friends with their parents Uncle Sam and Uncle Buck lol
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Apr 24, 2021 03:07
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pik_d posted:Steve Rogers is alive, and on the moon. Who needs Steve anyway? Lest we forget the literal second he discovered time travel he abandoned everything and everyone to go back in time and get his dick wet
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Apr 24, 2021 03:09
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Big Mean Jerk posted:We don’t really see the body or the wound, so by movie/tv logic he’s probably still alive somehow if they need him to be. They brought Rumlow back, and he had a whole building and a helicarrier land on his head. Not seeing the wound means he's still alive, and having him be the guy crooks hire to keep Cap busy while they run away with the loot like he is in the comics wouldn't be a terrible thing.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:10
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The only thing that bummed me out a little is that Batroc specifically called out Steve to not use the shield during their fight, and Sam never got there. Like I get that he's not a super-soldier and not Steve and his whole gimmick as Cap is going to be more of a tech hybrid, but it still made me go "If you're trying to make me see Combat-Sam in a good light you are not succeeding." There's "this guy is different" and "this guy can't find his own solution" and they definitely went with the latter. Also the resolution with Isaiah was way too loving neat and clean. Really this episode was kind-of a mess. I didn't hate it, and it's easily the best this material can realistically hope to be but like, drat. Some sloppiness.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:23
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Sanguinia posted:Yeah, I'm just saying I think its pretty funny that a Disney-funded Marvel movie has a CIA agent call the agency out, and some people still objected to that agent himself being a good dude who helps the heroes, as if perhaps the being willing to openly cop to his agency's lovely side is not perhaps relevant to him not being a bastard. How does Ross actually call the agency out? From what I remember, Killmonger is the one who talks about the tools of oppression he was taught by the US gov't and using them for his own ends. Given that he first appeared in Civil War, I don't put his inclusion on Coogler, but you can't put a heroic CIA character in a movie called Black Panther and not expect it to get called out, especially since the dude wasn't even CIA in the comics. The movie would've been better without him, and that's nothing against Martin Freeman
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Apr 24, 2021 03:32
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Everyone posted:One thing I thought was cool was how comfortable Bucky was in that setting. And then, of course he was. His "moment of peace" was in Wakanda. Figure the only friendly faces he had aside from Steve were dark-skinned because HYDRA didn't recruit that many black people because HYDRA. Taking it further, as the Winter Soldier, Bucky was a slave as much as a weapon/assassin. And he was freed from that slavery by a couple of black women (Ayo and Shuri). I hope that Bucky settles down in that community, but there is already a Black guy named Bucky, so they call him “Metal Arm Bucky”. Person 1: I saw Bucky at the grocery store. He said ‘Hi’. Person 2: Which Bucky? Person 1: Oh, uh, Metal Arm Bucky. Person 2: Ah. Buying another cake, I bet.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:34
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Marsupial Ape posted:I hope that Bucky settles down in that community, but there is already a Black guy named Bucky, so they call him “Metal Arm Bucky”. Nah, he will only be known as Sarah's boyfriend. By the way, I loved that scene with the cake. He looked happier, that was a nice. Oh, and I couldn't help but giggle at how he kept doing his terminator walk during the fight scenes.
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mind the walrus posted:I mean it's an open secret that the CIA does that poo poo and the CIA doesn't give a gently caress. Amusingly/worryingly the Dora Milaje had some big CIA energy during this series. The "Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever they please" is a bit hosed and colonial if you think about it, and their big scene was stopping Walker from arresting Zemo by, uh, trying to impale Walker and then arresting Zemo for their country instead? I still love this series for how it'll burn the chuds, everything to do with Sam was great in the finale. The old black blokes reacting to falcon catching the truck gave me a goofy smile (Black Falcon!). All of the cookout gave me a goofy smile. The Isiah scenes were some of Mackie's best and the museum gave me goosebumps. They even got a Captain Falcon in! I just realised it but Walker basically said "Black Lives Matter" lmao
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I gotta say, it's a shame that Karlis victims were the regular Joe's who worked in that building she burned down and the superheroes rushed to save the absolute monsters who are sending military death squads around the world to forcibly remove people. Just really better for everyone if the people killed and saved were reversed
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Apr 24, 2021 04:14
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I didn't really like this series but I like the Captain America we got out of it. Falcon was boring AF before, but I feel like with the wings, dual drones, and the shield he has a really fun dynamic and they got some great action out of it. It's entirely possible I am forgetting some badass Sam moments from earlier. I mostly just remember Ant Man reaming him.
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Apr 24, 2021 04:25
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It's not like Sam wasn't owned by a random thug with a machine pistol
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Terror Sweat posted:I gotta say, it's a shame that Karlis victims were the regular Joe's who worked in that building she burned down and the superheroes rushed to save the absolute monsters who are sending military death squads around the world to forcibly remove people. Just really better for everyone if the people killed and saved were reversed Coates brand of racism and class struggle isn't exactly MCU friendly material. Disney already have to deal with chuds, they don't want to deal with Chinese investors asking how dangerously close the Flag Smashers are to the Hong Kong protestors and activists they are rounding up and tossing into interment camps and having extrajudicial hunts for dissidents
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Floppychop posted:Not being related doesn't stop Hollywood from having a kid call an adult "uncle". It seems the only requirement is that they're a friend of the family. Hollywood? Do you... not have family friends you call "uncles," and "aunts?" double negative posted:How does Ross actually call the agency out? From what I remember, Killmonger is the one who talks about the tools of oppression he was taught by the US gov't and using them for his own ends. Agent Ross also directly says this, so yeah I would say he was calling the agency, or at least the US Government, out. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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pr0p posted:I didn't really like this series but I like the Captain America we got out of it. Falcon was boring AF before, but I feel like with the wings, dual drones, and the shield he has a really fun dynamic and they got some great action out of it. It's entirely possible I am forgetting some badass Sam moments from earlier. I mostly just remember Ant Man reaming him. Yeah. He would usually whip out his guns and shoot at everything and then would disappear to make way to the main Avengers. His cool action moments, that I can remember, are when he fights Rumlow and runs for his life while a building is crumbling. When Ant-man beats his butt. I think he had some action in Civil War but was obscured by giant Ant-man and Spider-man. I really need to re-watch infinity and Endgame, cuz I don't remember much of him aside from the "on your left" moment. Anyways can't wait for more rad wing/shield action in the movie. Hell yeah!
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BurritoJustice posted:The "Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever they please" is a bit hosed and colonial if you think about it That exchange is super easy to read as "We're extra pissed you freed the guy who killed our king and don't much give a poo poo why you did it, and we want him back in prison". The fact they take him back to the raft as opposed to a prison in Wakanda makes it pretty clear they weren't really being that unilateral about the whole thing.
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Frankenstyle posted:That exchange is super easy to read as "We're extra pissed you freed the guy who killed our king and don't much give a poo poo why you did it, and we want him back in prison". The fact they take him back to the raft as opposed to a prison in Wakanda makes it pretty clear they weren't really being that unilateral about the whole thing. My impression was that Bucky probably talked Ayo into that, which I thought was nice. It seemed pretty clear to me the way she talked about the Dora's shame over T'chaka's death that this was not a sanctioned mission, it was personal. Bucky convincing her to do the right thing, and indeed the thing T'chala would have obviously wanted rather than indulge herself in her little off-the-books operation, makes all the sense in the world. She saved him, he returns the favor.
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Desperado Bones posted:Nah, he will only be known as Sarah's boyfriend. I just know that was an ice-cream cake.  pr0p posted:I didn't really like this series but I like the Captain America we got out of it. Falcon was boring AF before, but I feel like with the wings, dual drones, and the shield he has a really fun dynamic and they got some great action out of it. It's entirely possible I am forgetting some badass Sam moments from earlier. I mostly just remember Ant Man reaming him. Well, just taking on a whole Helicarrier with heavy artillery by himself. Not badass at all, no sir. Desperado Bones posted:Anyways can't wait for more rad wing/shield action in the movie. Hell yeah! I'll be honest. When Sam became Captain America in the comics I wasn't a fan. But after seeing him in action in the series, I just have to say: there's a new Captain America, and he's black and sooo good.
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Gaz-L posted:The real answer is a Young Isaiah Bradley show, with bonus Invaders. I want this with Full Murderbot Winter Soldier, Ant-Man and the Wasp Original Flavour, maybe Captain Britain if you want to add in some magic.
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Sanguinia posted:People still talk poo poo about how there's a positively portrayed CIA agent in Black Panther when the movie is 50% clowning on him, 40% clowning on Imperialism and Neo-Imperialism, and 10% that CIA agent saying with his own mouth that the CIA trains their agents to destablize governments and topple regimes. You know what was fun, seeing black people talking about how much it means to have a huge movie that has like a 95% black cast and then some white guy going "um actually this movie is terrible."
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twistedmentat posted:You know what was fun, seeing black people talking about how much it means to have a huge movie that has like a 95% black cast and then some white guy going "um actually this movie is terrible." yeah my secret weakpoint that makes me see red is some RLM-style shitheel starts talking poo poo about Black Panther
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twistedmentat posted:You know what was fun, seeing black people talking about how much it means to have a huge movie that has like a 95% black cast and then some white guy going "um actually this movie is terrible." Lindsey Ellis' recent video discussing her Twitter Deletion incident was really interesting on stuff like this in the "White nonsense," section. "You're interested in black voices when its in the service of pwning another white person or white creator whomst you disagree with, but show little interest for issues or advocacy that actually concern black voices in their community independent of said pwnage." A lot of people were happy to attack Black Panther for its message ultimately affirming of the American Liberal conception/idealization of International Relations, vis a vis trade, aid programs, diplomatic outreach, investment in developing countries, "bridges not walls," all being fundamentally good as long as the country doing them is good and not doing a Soft Power Imperialism, and they were even MORE happy to attack a movie with that message where a CIA Agent was a good guy and an apparently Black Revolutionary who wanted to blow that paradigm up was the bad guy. And in general they were happy to do that because it let them sidestep how affirming and valuable the movie was to so many POC and just get strait to pwning the faceless Rich White Capitalists in charge of Marvel and Disney. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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