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Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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qhat posted:

Yes this is possible, and is something I’ve personally experienced, but it’s still no reason to discuss compensation at the beginning stages of the process.

My observation has been that software developer compensation has become bimodal. You need to filter out if this company is one of the holdouts that is way under market, or it just wastes everyones time.

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Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


My favourite was when I went back to work for a few months at my old company as a contractor after the parent company asked me to, the head of IT at the parent company agreed a wage with me and then the HR department of my old company (who weren't even paying for me, it came out of the parent company's budget) lowered the agreed wage without telling me or the parent company as 'it wasn't in line with other IT members'

Like no poo poo, I'm contacting, not permanent. Got reversed pretty quickly but still, they weren't even paying for me and we're still being misers

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

Twerk from Home posted:

My observation has been that software developer compensation has become bimodal. You need to filter out if this company is one of the holdouts that is way under market, or it just wastes everyones time.

The Canadian market is incredibly bimodal because historically Canadian tech people were insanely underpaid compared to the US, and most HR departments don't see a need to change that if the can hire people to work in Canada, sometimes by hiring abroad and locating them there. Some newer companies aren't clinging desperately to old salary numbers.

My old boss jumped ship to Amazon and his reasoning was simple: yes, I will work longer hours there, but their pre-bonus salary is nearly double my post-bonus compensation here, because they pay Canadians what they pay Americans to be competitive. I'm not quite yet in the position to see salaries of people whom I'm a tech lead for, but I've already steeled myself for learning the American members of my team who report to me all make more than me.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Twerk from Home posted:

My observation has been that software developer compensation has become bimodal. You need to filter out if this company is one of the holdouts that is way under market, or it just wastes everyones time.

This is true but nine times out of ten you can glean that information from Glassdoor. Even if you can’t and you have no idea, it’s still better to take a chance and not lock in salary expectations at the beginning when you have no idea what kind of a shitshow you’ll be walking into. At any rate it’s only wasting the time that you probably stole from your current job by ducking out “sick”.

kaom
Jan 20, 2007


Can confirm I got a 10%+ bump to base this year (SW), definitely hope you find what you’re looking for Cold on a cob.

(I still feel priced out of Van/Vic lol, actually haven’t been looking for the past month at all.)

stillvisions posted:

I've already steeled myself for learning the American members of my team who report to me all make more than me.
Been here, this sucks. Was not a fun time being keenly aware that the people I was training remotely as my peers were making minimum 2-4x my salary for the same work. Hope you weather it better than I did, I understand cost of living considerations but it didn’t really soften the blow any.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





qhat posted:

This is true but nine times out of ten you can glean that information from Glassdoor. Even if you can’t and you have no idea, it’s still better to take a chance and not lock in salary expectations at the beginning when you have no idea what kind of a shitshow you’ll be walking into. At any rate it’s only wasting the time that you probably stole from your current job by ducking out “sick”.

once you get to a certain level interviewing takes hours of pretty intense interviews over multiple days. why would you ever want to subject yourself to that without first agreeing on a framework for compensation? i refuse to do more than a brief (one hour or less) intro meeting before we discuss comp. then i'll jump through whatever hoops you want

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

kaom posted:

Can confirm I got a 10%+ bump to base this year (SW), definitely hope you find what you’re looking for Cold on a cob.

(I still feel priced out of Van/Vic lol, actually haven’t been looking for the past month at all.)

Been here, this sucks. Was not a fun time being keenly aware that the people I was training remotely as my peers were making minimum 2-4x my salary for the same work. Hope you weather it better than I did, I understand cost of living considerations but it didn’t really soften the blow any.

Yeah I am having salary chat with my boss soon. I’d rather stay where I am if I can.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Someone that can WFH buy this. It's dope.

Pirates Lane!

https://www.rew.ca/properties/3283327/111-pirates-lane-protection-island-bc



quote:

This quaint cabin is located on Protection Island, a short ferry ride from downtown Nanaimo. The floor plan has a studio style design with an open living area. In addition there is a four piece bathroom and two other rooms flexible in their use. A grassy backyard is surrounded by trees for privacy. Protection Island has City of Nanaimo water and services. Seaplanes from Nanaimo Harbour allow for easy access from Vancouver and Victoria. All data and measurements are approximate and must be verified if fundamental.


(This would totally be like $30k on one of those southern usa home flip shows)

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 26, 2021

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

Femtosecond posted:

Someone that can WFH buy this. It's dope.

Pirates Lane!

https://www.rew.ca/properties/3283327/111-pirates-lane-protection-island-bc





(This would totally be like $30k on one of those southern usa home flip shows)

It's kind of my dream house, lol. I work out of town so it would be perfect.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

drat that looks nice. I'm honestly tempted.

The idea is probably more attractive than the reality though.

How did you come across it?

edit: This is close to both where my parents are and where my wife's parents will end up retiring. hmmmm

odiv fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Apr 26, 2021

Bi-la kaifa
Feb 4, 2011

Space maggots.

There are always cool and affordable homes for sale on protection island. I wish it had more than a foot traffic ferry to get to it.

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006



my friend's sister lives on protection island and commutes to her job in the city by kayak, or sometimes a tub with a small outboard motor. i'm sure it's kind of unpleasant sometimes but sounds like a pretty sweet life.

Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!
:black101:

For people who can WFH, the coast definitely has some good spots. Cost goes down as remote-ness goes up (naturally), so gibsons/sechelt is like 2015 Burnaby prices, and Powell River is a ways before that. Anything with two ferries to Vancouver gets quite inexpensive, especially if it's a small island with lots that need septic systems like Protection.

We're currently looking around the lower island and up the coast for places and the prices are wildly volatile. Basically everywhere is beautiful though, which is nice!

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

gently caress, now I'm looking up different prices in the area.

Why did you do this to me?

iv46vi
Apr 2, 2010
What kind of internet service do they get on these islands?

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

odiv posted:

drat that looks nice. I'm honestly tempted.

The idea is probably more attractive than the reality though.

How did you come across it?

Browsing weird far flung edges of BC real estate on my phone while watching garbage tv is an activity that has grown to fill the pandemic induced void.

Defenistrator
Mar 27, 2007
Ask me about my burritos
Bought a house. Economy can start crashing now. You're all welcome.

MCPeePants
Feb 25, 2013
Yes I think it might be time to retreat from society and live in that shack, thank you.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

Getting any work done on Protection Island looks like it would be a pain and a half. Also, my wife has MS so something slightly more accessible is probably in the cards if we were ever to do something like get a vacation/retirement property to transition into.

Still, it was nice to dream for a bit, thanks for posting it.

Jam Band Death Cult
Feb 29, 2008

I'm Very Glad I'm Going To Be An Earl
Ah!

In Le Devoir today, a story about a 22 year old landlord/flipper (let's call him a fliplord) who signed a lease with a woman for 1100$ or so on a 3.5 (a one-bedroom) in a central neighbourhood of Montreal. As I've said previously in this thread, you can contest the amount of a signed lease after signature. She did initiate this, as she learned he'd raised the rent by over 400$ since the previous tenant. While this was getting litigated, she moved in some furniture, painted, etc.

When she came to continue work on the apartment last week, (a move-in date of May 1st) she found other tenants had moved in. The fliplord now claims he had mistakenly signed two leases on this apartment, and that the people who are now moved in in fact signed first. Impossible to prove this is false, so long as both the new tenant and landlord agree to fictively backdate the lease contract.

Still hasn't gotten her furniture back.

Wonderful.

https://www.ledevoir.com/societe/599587/logement-interdite-d-acces-avant-meme-d-emmenager

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Yeah I dunno -- that sounds like an open and shut court case. "Oops I accidentally signed contracts with two different people for the same thing" does not sound like much of a legal defence.

But yeah as an added bonus, the woman in question has a Lao name, so there's probably a side of racism thrown in.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Jam Band Death Cult posted:

Ah!

In Le Devoir today, a story about a 22 year old landlord/flipper (let's call him a fliplord) who signed a lease with a woman for 1100$ or so on a 3.5 (a one-bedroom) in a central neighbourhood of Montreal. As I've said previously in this thread, you can contest the amount of a signed lease after signature. She did initiate this, as she learned he'd raised the rent by over 400$ since the previous tenant. While this was getting litigated, she moved in some furniture, painted, etc.

When she came to continue work on the apartment last week, (a move-in date of May 1st) she found other tenants had moved in. The fliplord now claims he had mistakenly signed two leases on this apartment, and that the people who are now moved in in fact signed first. Impossible to prove this is false, so long as both the new tenant and landlord agree to fictively backdate the lease contract.

Still hasn't gotten her furniture back.

Wonderful.

https://www.ledevoir.com/societe/599587/logement-interdite-d-acces-avant-meme-d-emmenager

Ridiculous obvious lies on their part of the fliplord aside, fliplord effectively broke the lease so she should receive the full value of the lease as well as her furniture back. I really, really want to know how this plays out.

Also the other tenant should automatically get their rent reduced too since they may honestly have been acting in good faith.

Jam Band Death Cult
Feb 29, 2008

I'm Very Glad I'm Going To Be An Earl

Cold on a Cob posted:

Ridiculous obvious lies on their part of the fliplord aside, fliplord effectively broke the lease so she should receive the full value of the lease as well as her furniture back. I really, really want to know how this plays out.

Also the other tenant should automatically get their rent reduced too since they may honestly have been acting in good faith.

My favourite part of this story is that the fliplord claims to be a renter himself. Oh, and the locks have been changed.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


How can you 'accidentally' sign 2 leases - there is no way that should stand up in court

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp

Cold on a Cob posted:

Ridiculous obvious lies on their part of the fliplord aside, fliplord effectively broke the lease so she should receive the full value of the lease as well as her furniture back. I really, really want to know how this plays out.

Also the other tenant should automatically get their rent reduced too since they may honestly have been acting in good faith.

I can easily see "the other tenant" to be a friend of the fliplord helping them raise the rent and not one that actually plans to live there. Just a "3rd party" tenant who signed an earlier lease than Mar 30 and totally isn't getting any kickback from the fliplord.

It's still a cold solace to Paramita who has to find another place to live, and possibly pay twice for movers. The punishment probably isn't going to even be that severe for the fliplord, if there is even any for breach of contract.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




That said, I did read it and go "$650 a month for a 3.5 bedroom?" Even a lovely one in Vancouver would cost three to four times that much to rent.

Sassafras
Dec 24, 2004

by Athanatos

Lead out in cuffs posted:

That said, I did read it and go "$650 a month for a 3.5 bedroom?" Even a lovely one in Vancouver would cost three to four times that much to rent.

It's not bedrooms, it's rooms - french/quebec thing at least, maybe more of the world (? - a quick google said also Switzerland)

So, 3.5 is bedroom, kitchen, living room, bathroom (the .5). A 2br apartment is a 4.5, etc.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Chillyrabbit posted:

I can easily see "the other tenant" to be a friend of the fliplord helping them raise the rent and not one that actually plans to live there. Just a "3rd party" tenant who signed an earlier lease than Mar 30 and totally isn't getting any kickback from the fliplord.

If it's not a friend I'd like to know how that went down.

"Oh, what's the date today again?"
"Actually uhhh could you sign it five weeks earlier."
"How come?"
"To... help me out of a jam?"

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Slid into one of those walk-in vaccination clinics in metro Vancouver yesterday and got the AZ shot. Had to wait 3 hours in line in the cold (it was at night) but gently caress it I got mine. In other news, NIMBYs complaining about people waiting for a vaccination parking on their street:

https://www.tricitynews.com/local-news/huge-line-ups-parking-a-complete-mess-as-port-coquitlam-residents-flock-to-drop-in-clinic-3670649

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

the talent deficit posted:

i don't think it's a bubble either. it's just unprecedented access to cheap credit, a lack of viable alternatives for investment and constrained supply. they literally aren't building more houses in places people actually want to work and live so it's only going to get worse from here

better get a remote job and learn to love uhhh keremeos or eriau i guess

I mean yeah. It's clear that the government of ontario for example isn't interested in investing enough into health, housing, transit, infrastructure to adequately meet the needs of the existing population in the GTA, let alone whatever the growth in the next few years is going to be, so I really don't see what the point of staying here. Services are just going to get worse.

Jam Band Death Cult
Feb 29, 2008

I'm Very Glad I'm Going To Be An Earl
https://www.ledevoir.com/economie/599657/investissement-apprendre-a-flairer-les-gains

Also this article from today is in perfect cultural continuity with the fliplord story above, though this reporting is a little more unselfconscious.

I've Google-translated it, but those of you who read French can hit the link above.

quote:


Learning to detect real estate gains

Roxane Léouzon
April 28, 2021
Economy

To find business opportunities in the context of soaring property prices and rents, many real estate investors are seeking advice and training. From Flip Académie to the Real Estate Investors Club of Quebec, including Immofacile, several organizations are benefiting from this enthusiasm.

Laurence Denis and Caroline Comeau bought their first rental property this summer, a duplex rented for periods of three to six months in Saint-Sauveur. The two friends challenged each other on a road trip, as they questioned the direction of their lives. They got their hands on a second similar building shortly after.

As part of their Arbore project, which aims to encourage women to get into the real estate industry, they document on social media their experience as new investors and their quest to acquire their next properties. "Today, we find it more difficult, because all the properties that we look at are in high demand. There is overbidding everywhere, multiple offers, so that is slowing us down a bit, ”Ms. Comeau reports.


To cope with this challenge, the two friends seek a lot of advice and try to acquire a lot of knowledge. “Every week, we do online training, we have calls with specialists, such as mortgage brokers, designers, real estate brokers,” says Ms. Comeau.

One of the organizations frequented by the founders of Arbore is the Quebec Real Estate Investors Club. Its president, Yvan Cournoyer, estimates that in the last year there has been an increase in registrations for mentoring and its various trainings, given mainly by successful real estate investors. For $ 150, it is notably possible to take the three-hour online training courses "The art of making creative purchase offers", "Everything you need to check before you buy" and "The land register applied. : a real gold mine ”.

"Safe bet"

"With the frenzy we are going through, low interest rates are making a lot of people look to real estate, which is a safe bet," says Cournoyer. As the Club would say, real estate seems to be the new religion. People have sold their traditional businesses, exited the stock market and moved into real estate. "

In this context, both beginners and advanced investors need more and more help, he believes. This information comes with a cost, however. Webinars of a few hours offered by various organizations are sometimes free, but sometimes cost hundreds of dollars. Immofacile's 75-hour "double coaching," which includes eight hours of individual tuition in addition to group coaching, costs $ 3,997. Flip Académie, whose courses are specialized in the upgrading and resale of buildings, offers a "common core" which notably includes several days of tutoring, networking, a digital educational platform, access to professionals and a logbook. contacts, available in six payments of $ 574.

“I tell what happened to me and what happened to others and I say what to do and what not to do. This is to prevent people from breaking their noses over paying too much or not doing the right renovations, ”says Jean-François Tremblay, founder of Flip Académie, who emphasizes that his students also benefit from the advice of tax specialists. , lawyers, accountants, architects and structural engineers, among other things.

"I don't really need this to live, I do it because I like it. It’s not my main income, ”he adds.

A community

Nadia Roy, who owns several residential and commercial buildings, says she spends about $ 15,000 each year on training, mostly with Immofacile. But the return on investment is well worth it, she assures us. “Just for my rental cabin, the advice I received increased my income and it paid off two or three times for my training. I found a partner in this group and we bought a sixplex together, among other things, ”explains the one who relies heavily on the bonds she creates in this community.

Ghislain Larochelle, president of Immofacile, notes that training courses on rental chalets and multi-unit buildings are particularly popular. These are very promising real estate sectors, he believes.


Just for my rental chalet, the advice I received increased my income and it paid off two or three times for my training.

- Nadia Roy

"When there are several offers, you have to be very careful about the price, always calculate the profitability or the profitability of the building. You have to rely on calculations and not on emotions, warns the one who bought 257 addresses last year. Second thing, you have to choose your region. "

Jean-François Tremblay believes that there are good opportunities to "flip" apartment buildings in certain areas, such as Trois-Rivières and Shawinigan, where prices are still affordable. According to him, there is also a potential to renovate large homes of $ 700,000 and more to increase their value, since this is a market that is still under-exploited.

Jam Band Death Cult fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 28, 2021

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/good-lu...0-600-1.5406952

quote:

MONTREAL -- Quebec opposition party Quebec Solidare (QS) is calling out CAQ Premier Francois Legault for being out of touch with what the actual cost of rent is in the province he governs, particularly in its largest city, after the premier suggested rent in Montreal is between $500 and $600.

In the National Assembly on Wednesday, QS spokesperson Manon Masse asked Legault about the price of an apartment in Montreal.

"Do you have any idea? How much to rent in Montreal?" asked the MNA for Sainte-Marie–Saint-Jacques.

"It depends on the size of the apartment, but I would say it can start at maybe $500-600 a month, and it can go up to $1,000 a month pretty quickly," said Legault.

On the website rentals.ca, there are 337 listings out of the 1,759 that are $1,000 per month or lower and just six that are $600 or lower. All six of those are private rooms in a residence with other tenants.

"Good luck finding that," Masse wrote on Twitter responding to Legault's comments.

Masse and her party have begun calling on the public to mobilize and speak out about the housing crisis in Quebec.

Demonstrations were held last weekend, and the party has said it will continue to highlight the lack of affordable housing, rise in renovictions and other housing issues.

Montreal housing advocate organization FRAPRU (Front d’action populaire en réaménagement urbain) also responded to Legault's comments criticizing the premier for being out of touch with the cost-of-living realities in his province.

"In the midst of a housing crisis, this response from the premier confirms the perception that organizations defending the right to housing have of a lack of interest and ignorance, not to speak of disconnection from the realities experienced by tenants," the organization wrote on social media.

"Perhaps the premier also doesn't know that the median annual income of Quebec's tenant households is less than $38,000. Those who dedicate more than 50 per cent (well above the standard of 30 per cent) of their income to rent, it is less than $14,000," FRAPRU added.

FRAPRU says the average rent for a studio apartment in Montreal is $702, while a three-bedroom and up is $1,112.

Some responses to Masse's tweet called out Legault for being out of touch as many did to former Liberal premier Philippe Couillard when Couillard said a $75 per week grocery bill was possible.

"It's clear that just like Couillard, Legault never had to struggle a single day in his life," wrote one Twitter user in reply to Masse.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Lmfao. $600 for rent.

Lmfao. The dream.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1387854487918813186

Steve Saretsky really is going full nutjob on crypto recently. His Twitter is getting really difficult to read.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008


what % of shitcoiners does he think are getting all the money

midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.

qhat posted:

Lmfao. $600 for rent.

Lmfao. The dream.

I mean, let's be real "FRAPRU says the average rent for a studio apartment in Montreal is $702, while a three-bedroom and up is $1,112." is also a dream throughout almost all of Ontario. I live on Georgian Bay and rent starts around here at $1250 for shithole 1 bedroom.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


midge posted:

I mean, let's be real "FRAPRU says the average rent for a studio apartment in Montreal is $702, while a three-bedroom and up is $1,112." is also a dream throughout almost all of Ontario. I live on Georgian Bay and rent starts around here at $1250 for shithole 1 bedroom.

Is that so? Because rentals.ca lists the average rent for a 1 bed in Montreal at $1412.

Source: https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report

I think what that organization is saying, whoever they are, is bullshit also.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



midge posted:

I mean, let's be real "FRAPRU says the average rent for a studio apartment in Montreal is $702, while a three-bedroom and up is $1,112." is also a dream throughout almost all of Ontario. I live on Georgian Bay and rent starts around here at $1250 for shithole 1 bedroom.

But shithole one-bedrooms were the hottest trend a few years ago; what happened?

midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.

qhat posted:

Is that so? Because rentals.ca lists the average rent for a 1 bed in Montreal at $1412.

Source: https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report

I think what that organization is saying, whoever they are, is bullshit also.

That's more like it, gently caress em all! So not only is their leader out of touch, but self appointed urban planning groups are also out of it. Sounds about right!

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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




qhat posted:

Is that so? Because rentals.ca lists the average rent for a 1 bed in Montreal at $1412.

Source: https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report

I think what that organization is saying, whoever they are, is bullshit also.

I dunno - rentals.ca has always seemed overinflated by at least 50% compared to what I see on Craigslist, at least for Vancouver.

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