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that lightbulb brainteaser is quite a well known one too so good job on all the false positives
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What false positives? We are just making sure the candidates had upbringing similar to ours.
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Apr 24, 2021 14:48
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But if you waited for the lightbulb to get hot, it would take longer than the trip back and forth, or worse, the trip to go get a second lightbulb. And speaking of false positives, what about false negatives where you didn't let the bulb heat enough, or false positives where you didn't let it cool enough after switching from a hot socket and doing another trip? What's your "this feels warm" threshold here?
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TimWinter posted:But if you waited for the lightbulb to get hot, it would take longer than the trip back and forth, or worse, the trip to go get a second lightbulb. candidate has a bad attitude, recommend against hiring
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Apr 26, 2021 01:59
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I ask a friend to stay in the light bulb room for a minute and then I phone them.
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showed up for new job and the manager that hired me has moved on to another team, new manager seems completely inept, the team is so awkward they cant even tell me their names... at least the checks dont bounce
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barkbell posted:showed up for new job and the manager that hired me has moved on to another team, new manager seems completely inept, the team is so awkward they cant even tell me their names... at least the checks dont bounce You log on to the first video call, everyone shows up looking like 
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Apr 28, 2021 14:07
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I think I am going to be given an offer in about an hour. Little nervous about what they are going to offer salarywise but I am rather confident that they will make an offer I can accept. Then the trick will be finding out how the REALLY work. I just suck at negotiations and doing for myself but I want to be better.
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Apr 28, 2021 15:01
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syntaxrigger posted:I think I am going to be given an offer in about an hour. Little nervous about what they are going to offer salarywise but I am rather confident that they will make an offer I can accept. Then the trick will be finding out how the REALLY work. Whatever number they give you, ask for more money. It won't cost you the job-offer, even if they say no. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 15:36
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Poopernickel posted:Whatever number they give you, ask for more money. It won't cost you the job-offer, even if they say no. I am going to try this even though it feels super uncomfortable.
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Apr 28, 2021 15:38
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Here are some things I've used in the past, which have worked for me: - Offer to take less RSUs in exchange for higher base salary (I asked for 10% higher salary in exchange for 15% less RSUs, banking on the bet that they won't go public any time soon) - Say something like "the higher salary helps make this decision a slam-dunk vs my current job", or "the higher salary will help offset the cost-of-living difference" (if you're moving) - If they won't budge on salary, see if you can get a hiring bonus. Even if a company can't offer you the salary you want, they might be willing to throw in a 10% sign-on bonus or something. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 15:42
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One thing to be sure about - don't put yourself into an ultimatum situation. If they say "Unfortunately you're at the top of our salary range" or something like that, respond with "no problem, I understand. Give me a few days to think about it".
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Remember, nobody's at fault in a negotiation like that. The company's goal is to hire you as cheaply as possible. Your goal is to make lots of money. Both positions are understandable, and nobody's in the wrong during a good-faith salary negotiation. Also remember: don't be afraid to act like you're the attractive one. If they offer you a job, it means they're interested. Which means you benefit from slow-playing things a bit, to build anticipation. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 15:45
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Poopernickel posted:Here are some things I've used in the past, which have worked for me: Poopernickel posted:One thing to be sure about - don't put yourself into an ultimatum situation. my girlfriend recently did all of this on an offer that was just slightly under her current salary (after a decent bump this year) and a worse bonus and worse benefits, and they refused to budge at all/negotiate she wants to leave the current place but stood firm and politely declined (i.e. "I'd love to take the job if you can meet me half way, but if not I wont be able to accept") and they just gave up two weeks later the position is listed as hiring again on LinkedIn, loving idiots couldn't come up a few grand/year and now they're approaching month 3 of the position not being filled, i guess it says more about them
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Apr 28, 2021 15:55
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drat. So when they initially called I was unprepared and a dummy and gave them a range of 115k to 125k. I was able to tell them that I misspoke and I'd really feel comfortable with 135k and she was like "yeah I can't do that" and my heart sank Then she was like you are pretty under the market rate so our offer is 140k with a 10% bonus  Ask me about undervaluing yourself i guess. Thanks for all the advice.
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Apr 28, 2021 16:15
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lol talk about the opposite of a red flag. grats on finding one of the few good ones. now punch yourself in the dick a few times for ‘giving a range’ which is the most amateur mistake you can make
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PIZZA.BAT posted:lol talk about the opposite of a red flag. grats on finding one of the few good ones. now punch yourself in the dick a few times for ‘giving a range’ which is the most amateur mistake you can make no poo poo right! I feel like I have certainly learned my lesson now.
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Apr 28, 2021 16:53
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syntaxrigger posted:drat. So when they initially called I was unprepared and a dummy and gave them a range of 115k to 125k. I was able to tell them that I misspoke and I'd really feel comfortable with 135k and she was like "yeah I can't do that" and my heart sank and add another story to the “never say a number” board
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Apr 28, 2021 18:32
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fourwood posted:total grats on the figgies, i’m glad they didn’t hose you at minimum it is a hard rule that you never interrupt people about to tell you a number to say another number.
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actually, second really hard rule: if you do have to say a number, don't make it a loving *range*. you are allowed to leave it as understood that you'll accept infinity figgies if it comes to that.
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Apr 28, 2021 18:42
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this is making me ask for opinions on how i handled getting my most recent job: i was getting recruited by someone who already knew me and i was already at a job i liked, so when they initially asked for comp expectations i said something like “i need to know you can offer me $x to even begin the conversation but i don’t yet know how much would make me actually say ‘yes’.” was that reasonable or did i gently caress up? unfortunately i don’t remember what $x actually was so i can’t evaluate my strategy retroactively lol
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raminasi posted:this is making me ask for opinions on how i handled getting my most recent job: i was getting recruited by someone who already knew me and i was already at a job i liked, so when they initially asked for comp expectations i said something like “i need to know you can offer me $x to even begin the conversation but i don’t yet know how much would make me actually say ‘yes’.” was that reasonable or did i gently caress up? unfortunately i don’t remember what $x actually was so i can’t evaluate my strategy retroactively lol general rule of thumb: if you have to ask if you hosed up by saying a number then you hosed up. anchoring early is a legitimate strategy in negotiations but it's also a deliberate strategy that implies you have a lot of information at your disposal
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Apr 28, 2021 19:11
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anyone with any questions in this area should make a point of swinging by the negotiations thread in BFC
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fourwood posted:total grats on the figgies, i’m glad they didn’t hose you Agreed and thanks.
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raminasi posted:this is making me ask for opinions on how i handled getting my most recent job: i was getting recruited by someone who already knew me and i was already at a job i liked, so when they initially asked for comp expectations i said something like “i need to know you can offer me $x to even begin the conversation but i don’t yet know how much would make me actually say ‘yes’.” was that reasonable or did i gently caress up? unfortunately i don’t remember what $x actually was so i can’t evaluate my strategy retroactively lol i think it's fine. i do this all the time when people reach out with jobs i'm maybe interested in but don't want to invest 10 hours in before getting an offer. i know a lot of people and bug them all the time about their comp so i'm pretty confident in what i'm worth on the open market though. if it was for a role where i was less certain about my worth i'd probably ask them for a salary band instead
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the talent deficit posted:i think it's fine. i do this all the time when people reach out with jobs i'm maybe interested in but don't want to invest 10 hours in before getting an offer. i know a lot of people and bug them all the time about their comp so i'm pretty confident in what i'm worth on the open market though. if it was for a role where i was less certain about my worth i'd probably ask them for a salary band instead Right you're in the "has lots of information" group and therefore don't need to ask if you hosed up giving a number
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I know what you're *supposed* to say, but why is it even such a sin to not claim to be the hero and lead architect of every product you've ever touched at a job? The senior dev I was talking to would absolutely not approve of me coming in and upending his years of work yet I'm expected to have razed and rebuilt every piece of infrastructure at other companies.
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Apr 29, 2021 21:11
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They're just following the industry standard and making sure only insufferable pricks fill architect roles.
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Steve Jorbs posted:I know what you're *supposed* to say, but why is it even such a sin to not claim to be the hero and lead architect of every product you've ever touched at a job? The senior dev I was talking to would absolutely not approve of me coming in and upending his years of work yet I'm expected to have razed and rebuilt every piece of infrastructure at other companies. you gotta demonstrate you were trusted with responsibility at $lastjob
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Steve Jorbs posted:I know what you're *supposed* to say, but why is it even such a sin to not claim to be the hero and lead architect of every product you've ever touched at a job? The senior dev I was talking to would absolutely not approve of me coming in and upending his years of work yet I'm expected to have razed and rebuilt every piece of infrastructure at other companies. only insufferable pricks hire for these roles and alas such it’s self selection for pricks
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Apr 30, 2021 06:38
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Got a new kind of recruiter email today, she attached her headshot to the message
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Apr 30, 2021 16:48
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HOT SINGLE RECRUITERS HOPE THIS EMAIL FINDS YOU WELL IN YOUR AREA
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That probably works to an extremely distressing degree.
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Apr 30, 2021 16:57
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its why korean peeps get plastic surgery, headshot is standard in all resumes there my buddys aunt just gets her headshots professionally shopped, prolly healthier
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PokeJoe posted:Got a new kind of recruiter email today, she attached her headshot to the message accuse her of aimbotting
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The email itself is borderline hornyquote:We were looking for you for so long.
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i dunno what foreplay means in your corner of the world but thats just a horny rear end recruiter thing
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Borderline?
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PokeJoe posted:The email itself is borderline horny machine translation?
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Now I don't feel bad about my first draft of my joke, which I rejected: Dear Penthouse, I never hoped this email would find me well…
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