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Shoehead posted:I dunno what this room where I can't run wants from me, I end up pushing the stick just a skoutch too far and I start jogging. You could hold down block, or simply use your normal attack combo.
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Or just jump
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Shoehead posted:I dunno what this room where I can't run wants from me, I end up pushing the stick just a skoutch too far and I start jogging. pro tip: if you attack the blocks they'll disappear and you can move faster by attacking.
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axeil posted:I suppose Automata was kind of like that too, Route A is very normal except for the whole fake out on the aliens all being dead. We might have a different definition of that word. Route A of Automata is more normal than the rest of the game, but it’s still absolutely batshit compared to Replicant Route A.
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Shoehead posted:I dunno what this room where I can't run wants from me, I end up pushing the stick just a skoutch too far and I start jogging. Just keep in mind swinging your sword moves you forward without counting as running, that the projectiles can be hit with your sword, and the blocks that shoot you can be killed.
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You can also just stand on the boxes shooting the orbs and that makes them break. I accidentally skipped a few of those rooms' gimmicks because you can just ignore them.
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Finished all the endings and now there’s just a bunch of material grinding to get the weapon trophies. Do I really want to do this to myself.
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Thets definitely only 50% of sidequests in part 1 this time right?
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Woah I was definitely doing this room the hard way, thanks everyone
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Sakurazuka posted:Thets definitely only 50% of sidequests in part 1 this time right? That's what people have been saying.
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I gotta say I was a bit disappointed with Replicant - I had expected it to be more batshit, but since I've already played through Automata, nothing really stood out as that WTF worthy.
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ymgve posted:I gotta say I was a bit disappointed with Replicant - I had expected it to be more batshit, but since I've already played through Automata, nothing really stood out as that WTF worthy. You gotta look at what else was around at its original time of release, Final Fantasy 13 came from that time so it was regarded as the weird sister game.
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ymgve posted:I gotta say I was a bit disappointed with Replicant - I had expected it to be more batshit, but since I've already played through Automata, nothing really stood out as that WTF worthy. Same kind of, but the character stuff made it worth it for me. I love 2B, Nines, Pascal, etc, but I definitely felt a stronger connection to Kainé and Emil especially.
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Escobarbarian posted:We might have a different definition of that word. Route A of Automata is more normal than the rest of the game, but it’s still absolutely batshit compared to Replicant Route A. Yeah. It starts with a rapidly genre-shifting half-hour mission with no save points and a unique ending for when you fail, goes to a robo-orgy, and then just where most games start having the "is the enemy really the enemy" scenes, Automata skips straight to having Machines running an amusement park and throwing you a friendly parade.
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Replicant has better characters and a better more consistent story, but Automata has better reveals
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I think Replicant gets screwed over a little bit by Automata in hindsight. Automata hits you over the head with weird immediately and then goes into the more grounded, human parts of the story, while Replicant is the other way around. When Nier first came out, we had no idea what to expect and figured it was just some JRPG, so the surprise fuckery was a lot more effective. But these days, everyone knows Yoko Taro well, and is immediately on the hunt for the batshit crazy. Replicant also leaves a lot for the player to investigate outside of the game itself via supplemental material, references in other games, etc. Replicant is also a lot weirder as a game rather than as a story - Automata is very similar throughout, while Replicant dips into a handful of genres. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Yeah. It starts with a rapidly genre-shifting half-hour mission with no save points and a unique ending for when you fail, goes to a robo-orgy, and then just where most games start having the "is the enemy really the enemy" scenes, Automata skips straight to having Machines running an amusement park and throwing you a friendly parade. Man the opening hours of Automata are really fuckin memorable
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hatty posted:Replicant has better characters and a better more consistent story, but Automata has better reveals Eh disagree, Neir has a lot of the more esoteric Taro stuff that Automata thankfully cut which streamlined the story in a way the remake should have copied
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh disagree, Neir has a lot of the more esoteric Taro stuff that Automata thankfully cut which streamlined the story in a way the remake should have copied  No way, I wouldn’t want them to cut anything other than the tedium/repetitive parts. What would they cut from Replicant otherwise?
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Apr 27, 2021 21:22
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Great, 90 minutes into Nier Replicant on a PC and my controller stopped working. I fiddled with steam game properties to no avail. I have a feeling I will have to pull the refund button on this thing.
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Pollyanna posted:Replicant also leaves a lot for the player to investigate outside of the game itself via supplemental material, references in other games, etc. I love this about it but I do wish there was a BIT more in the game itself. It’s like someone earlier was saying how they wish there was more context for the game’s opening sequence, and there IS - tons of it - but it’s almost all in the book, even though it would have been good to include in the game and imo would have made Shadowlord a better villain
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Pollyanna posted:
Yea that’s the parts to cut. You can’t just ignore them for consistency it 100% effects the story
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Escobarbarian posted:I love this about it but I do wish there was a BIT more in the game itself. It’s like someone earlier was saying how they wish there was more context for the game’s opening sequence, and there IS - tons of it - but it’s almost all in the book, even though it would have been good to include in the game and imo would have made Shadowlord a better villain Shadowlord isn’t the villain, you are.
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DrakePegasus posted:Shadowlord isn’t the villain, you are. You’re right. I should have said ’make Shadowlord’s arc more emotional’ or some such thing.
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DrakePegasus posted:Shadowlord isn’t the villain, you are. I always take it as both are extreme gently caress ups.
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CharlesTheHammer" posted:Yea that’s the parts to cut. You can’t just ignore them for consistency it 100% effects the story Honestly the stuff I’d cut out boils down to travel by foot/boar (ie fast travel), half of Junk Heap, the second visit to the Lost Shrine, and the lead up to the new chapter. The sidequests and weapon upgrading can just be ignored, they were never good and whatever point they were trying to make isn’t interesting anymore.
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Putrid Grin posted:Great, 90 minutes into Nier Replicant on a PC and my controller stopped working. I fiddled with steam game properties to no avail. Are you using the Special K mod? Apparently there's something fucky going on with PS4 controllers specifically and the mod has some fixes in it to fix it.
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DrakePegasus posted:Shadowlord isn’t the villain, you are. Which reminds me, apparently early drafts had the king of Facade as the hero? Which is why he's probably the most straightforwardly good person, even if the wolves were only pissed because his soldiers started genociding them first
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Hunt11 posted:I always take it as both are extreme gently caress ups. It's this. They're literally the same person. They both screwed over the rest of the world through their actions and both turned a blind eye to the obvious suffering they were causing because they just weren't interested in the feelings of a "monster".
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DrakePegasus posted:Shadowlord isn’t the villain, you are. I mean, it doesn’t really matter. Based on Ending A, all the rejoined humans would just dissolve in the sunlight anyway, that or at least go insane from hearing some scared and panicked motherfucker in their head all the time Kainé-style. There’s no victory in this game.
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Pollyanna posted:Replicant also leaves a lot for the player to investigate outside of the game itself via supplemental material, references in other games, etc. Replicant is also a lot weirder as a game rather than as a story - Automata is very similar throughout, while Replicant dips into a handful of genres. Hell, just the whole loving origin story of the NieR universe being the aftermath of the joke ending of a different game is pretty nuts.
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Yeah, Replicant is a lot more interesting than Automata and has a much better setting and worldbuilding. It’s also creative and experimental, whereas Automata sticks to one specific concept (and to its credit does it pretty well even if I preferred Replicant).
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Pollyanna posted:I mean, it doesn’t really matter. Based on Ending A, all the rejoined humans would just dissolve in the sunlight anyway, that or at least go insane from hearing some scared and panicked motherfucker in their head all the time Kainé-style. There’s no victory in this game. I figure Gestalt-Yonah abdicated Replicant-Yonah's body out of guilt so if she did settle into her Replicant, she probably could have basked in the sunlight just fine. You're probably right that the Replicant consciousnesses would make the Gestalts freak the gently caress out though.
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Mega64 posted:Hell, just the whole loving origin story of the NieR universe being the aftermath of the joke ending of a different game is pretty nuts. The entire reason that Nier’s backstory is so compelling is because of how much work went into exploring the natural ramifications and consequences of haha eldritch salt monster from another dimension go brrrr and using it to build the setting for a story that doesn’t beat you over the head and allows the world to speak for itself. It’s genuinely great and one of the best examples of storytelling I can point to. ChaosArgate posted:I figure Gestalt-Yonah abdicated Replicant-Yonah's body out of guilt so if she did settle into her Replicant, she probably could have basked in the sunlight just fine. You're probably right that the Replicant consciousnesses would make the Gestalts freak the gently caress out though. Good point. I guess I misinterpreted that scene, though I suppose I should have looked to Kaine as a counterexample. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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Pollyanna posted:Good point. I guess I misinterpreted that scene, though I suppose I should have looked to Kaine as a counterexample. Yeah what's important in that scene is that Gestalt Yonah literally kills herself because once she is merged with her Replicant, all she can feel is the misery that was caused in the name of her happiness. What Shadowlord was trying to do was not noble or good.
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Augus posted:Yeah what's important in that scene is that Gestalt Yonah literally kills herself because once she is merged with her Replicant, all she can feel is the misery that was caused in the name of her happiness. What Shadowlord was trying to do was not noble or good. I think the best villain we can pinpoint is whoever came up with the concept of Gestalts and Replicants in the first place, but even then I think it was out of desperation and self-preservation rather than malice. Maybe the Mother Grotesquerie...if it has any intelligence. Caim, definitely. Remind me again why they couldn’t just put Gestalts into androids instead?
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Pollyanna posted:Yeah, Replicant is a lot more interesting than Automata and has a much better setting and worldbuilding. It’s also creative and experimental, whereas Automata sticks to one specific concept (and to its credit does it pretty well even if I preferred Replicant). Eh Replicant at its heart is a pretty standard dark fantasy story. I haven’t read the extended universe stuff so I can only say the worldbuilding in game but it’s fine? Nothing spectacular
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Hunt11 posted:I always take it as both are extreme gently caress ups.  Devola and Popola are both tired and overworked middle managers caught between a catastrophic slapfight between two idiots. Devola and Popola Did Nothing Wrong.Pollyanna posted:I think the best villain we can pinpoint is whoever came up with the concept of Gestalts and Replicants in the first place, but even then I think it was out of desperation and self-preservation rather than malice. Maybe the Mother Grotesquerie...if it has any intelligence. Caim, definitely. While there were some questionable experiments to get to where it did, the Gestalt Program was basically a hail mary pass from the remaining humans before the Maso wiped everyone out so it's definitely born from desperation and self-preservation. If you trace it all back to D1, then it's Seere's fault for killing Manah and causing the Watchers to flip the gently caress out and spawn the Mother Grotesquerie and the baby munchers.
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amigolupus posted:While there were some questionable experiments to get to where it did, the Gestalt Program was basically a hail mary pass from the remaining humans before the Maso wiped everyone out so it's definitely born from desperation and self-preservation. If you trace it all back to D1, then it's Seere's fault for killing Manah and causing the Watchers to flip the gently caress out and spawn the Mother Grotesquerie and the baby munchers. 
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Maybe Popola gets some blame for either coming up or telling the whole thing about needing to go defeat grimoire Noir as I feel the whole process would have gone better if it was framed as getting enough power to properly reunite the two and fixing everything. On that note Noir definitely should be blamed for acting like such a bastard.
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