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Junpei Hyde posted:Everyone please shut the gently caress up You should have straight up banned the vtuber attention douche instead of probating them. You have no loving say.
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Apr 29, 2021 00:20
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Kim Justice posted:. Topic ends .
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Apr 29, 2021 00:21
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Apr 29, 2021 00:29
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whatevenis posted:You should have straight up banned the vtuber attention douche instead of probating them. unless somethings changed recently, mods can't directly ban, ever, and the admins can sometimes take some convincing if it's not clearly egregious (like the last ban in here) so maybe slow your roll, dog
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Apr 29, 2021 00:33
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Kim Justice posted:If Steven Crowder was booted tomorrow that it would change a single thing. Nothing changed when, I dunno, Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex Jones was booted. And there's nothing to stop Google turning that even further on leftists than they already do (which is already bad in that it prevents information getting to people who actually need it). good points.
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Apr 29, 2021 00:34
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whatevenis posted:You should have straight up banned the vtuber attention douche instead of probating them. lmao Ban reason: this guy named cum keeps talking about having sex???
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Apr 29, 2021 00:46
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Goddammit this is what happens when I go to sleep for 6 hours and the only people ostensibly on my side go off on tangents far off my own point. Anyway just to clarify my position: 1) I agree it's stupid to put faith in corporations to decide who or what to ban. 2) Nationalising said corporations is a one good way to combat this. 3) My disagreement with Contra is more of how she phrased it then the underlying thesis of her Tweet thread (which is why I said she made good points up until the last tweet), which I understand may more of a 'me' problem than anything on her end. Nuebot posted:EDIT: whoops left the new reply open too long, missed the mod note to stop. Apologies.
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Apr 29, 2021 00:47
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whatevenis posted:You should have straight up banned the vtuber attention douche instead of probating them. I will be sure to not probate them next time
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Apr 29, 2021 01:54
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God bless this disaster of a thread 
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Apr 29, 2021 01:59
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I ain't reading that a second time to see if this was linked already, so: Gilbert Gottfried's One Piece Rap, now with musical backing. https://youtu.be/kLUmDhD5QA8
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Apr 29, 2021 02:07
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As a mea culpa for my participation in that topic, let me offer to bring back discussion to the only good topic in this thread: One Piece! How do we all feel about the Fishman Island arc? Does it deal with its themes well? I thought the revelation of Fisher Tiger's backstory and Prince Fukaboshi admitting they were partly responsible for the New Fishman Pirates were pretty good but I wonder if others have different perspectives lest I come off as whitewashing its flaws.
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Apr 29, 2021 02:11
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CmdrKing posted:I ain't reading that a second time to see if this was linked already, so: 
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Apr 29, 2021 02:13
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Pachylad posted:As a mea culpa for my participation in that topic, let me offer to bring back discussion to the only good topic in this thread: One Piece! I hated the fishman arc my first time reading it, but like a lot of post-timeskip arcs it really benefits from being able to be read through at a decent clip instead of release schedule per-chapter. I remember there being a lot of "this sucks and it's just Arlong 2.0" early on but I came around in the latter half when it becomes increasingly clear that Hody and his crew are basically just fishman supremacists and actively don't give a poo poo if they hurt other people: they aren't doing what they do out of any sense of genuine hurt. Though I think the anime gives them a bit of additional backstory or something? I don't know I didn't watch the anime.
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Apr 29, 2021 02:18
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Pachylad posted:As a mea culpa for my participation in that topic, let me offer to bring back discussion to the only good topic in this thread: One Piece! One specific thing that I liked was that both Queen Otohime and Fisher Tiger are treated as being correct, one fights for the future and the other fights for the here and now. They seem diametrically opposed but each one acknowledges and respects the ideals of the other. Doing a full re-read of One Piece to catch up (haven't read any since the start of Wano) is somewhere on my to do list, so maybe I'll give it a more critical look when I get there.
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Apr 29, 2021 02:49
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DeafNote posted:The jerk answer here would be "Its just toons mate, dont overthink it." Arcsquad12 posted:First I've heard of this. Looking it up Adam from YMS is where this is coming from? I honestly don't know. I mean, she's a prolific composer for a variety of projects; if you work in that business and your specialty isn't weird abstract stuff you're going to wear some influences strongly. (cue music nerds with all the stuff John Williams borrowed from) Random anime recommendation speaking of Yoko Kanno - if you haven't seen it, track down Magnetic Rose (a short from Memories, a short film anthology) to see a collaboration with Kanno (with an assist by Puccini), early Satoshi Kon and and Katsuhiro Otomo. Always felt like this one got buried because it was part of an anthology (with the other two being a little less, well, universally praised), but it's a great work for all of them.
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Apr 29, 2021 02:54
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stillvisions posted:I mean, she's a prolific composer for a variety of projects; if you work in that business and your specialty isn't weird abstract stuff you're going to wear some influences strongly. Memories is getting a blu-ray remaster with an English audio track June, so you'll get your Magnetic Rose, and Stink Bomb, and Cannon Fodder https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Memories-Blu-ray/268788/
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Apr 29, 2021 03:02
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Kanno's habit of taking from existing music has been quietly known for a fairly long time, it just never stuck to her as a negative because I think it's a small part of her prolific amount of output, and you'd always spiral into "plagiarism or homage?" debates when it was brought up She has numerous cases of it far more obvious than the Metal Gear Solid theme, though.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:10
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It feels like it's the kind of thing where it's more or less tolerated when it's just home country made-in-japan consumtion but when it gets international attention people start to pick up on the influences. If Gundam hadn't crashed and burned on Toonami after the Gundam Wing heyday I'm sure Lucasfilm might have been more than a bit miffed at the "totally legally distinct" soundtrack for F91. Or you've got the Dragon Ball Kai composer getting fired and his career tanked for his plagiarism. Then again it's not just a Japan thing. Bobby Prince's Doom soundtrack would get sued into oblivion if it was made today.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:14
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This line of conversation reminds me of this video where someone pointed out some strong similarities between classic Mario and Zelda music and songs from a variety of different genres. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNJ5cAxcQ8 I find most of them to be different enough to be distinct, but the Mario Underground theme feels hilariously blatant because of the "duh-nuh duh-nuh duh-nuh" bassline. Supersonic Shine fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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Apr 29, 2021 03:27
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kanno is not even remotely unique in quantity or closeness of borrowed segments when it comes to working composers, this may come as a shock but when you literally have to come up with music for a living and your projects are on the scope of "create a whole-rear end soundtrack for a 26-52 episode television series," the occasional bit of copying is going to happen just as a result of how the game is played, and for every example you list of yoko kanno doing it you could find a dozen examples of other composers at her tier doing the exact same poo poo. She only gets called out for it because anime fans in particular like to bring her up as a major example of music talent in anime, so she gets a lot of backlash.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:28
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Arcsquad12 posted:Then again it's not just a Japan thing. Bobby Prince's Doom soundtrack would get sued into oblivion if it was made today. And Quake? Someone call Trent Reznor. I know.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:28
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Let's hear 'em. street violence to the point of submission. if you find that distasteful that's your problem EDIT: wow i had the window open for too long. Retracting the hostility DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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Apr 29, 2021 03:45
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https://youtu.be/jQlEYF112Js Magic the Gathering Arena is not a cheap game to play
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Apr 29, 2021 03:53
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Arcsquad12 posted:Memories is getting a blu-ray remaster with an English audio track June, so you'll get your Magnetic Rose, and Stink Bomb, and Cannon Fodder Like, Stink Bomb and Cannon Fodder are okay, they're just a serious swerve in tone from Magnetic Rose and Magnetic Rose is a tough act to follow. Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:kanno is not even remotely unique in quantity or closeness of borrowed segments when it comes to working composers, this may come as a shock but when you literally have to come up with music for a living and your projects are on the scope of "create a whole-rear end soundtrack for a 26-52 episode television series," the occasional bit of copying is going to happen just as a result of how the game is played, and for every example you list of yoko kanno doing it you could find a dozen examples of other composers at her tier doing the exact same poo poo. She only gets called out for it because anime fans in particular like to bring her up as a major example of music talent in anime, so she gets a lot of backlash. Film scores are functional in nature and composers have a pretty good reason to not use their grand masterpiece ideas for them.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:53
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stillvisions posted:Oh sweet - glad to see that might get a new audience that way. Stink Bomb is silly and fun but I think you're selling Cannon Fodder short. It's a pretty grim piece that plays like a twisted slice of life excerpt except it's set in a military state with a siege mentality.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:58
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Not a single Ishtar trailer, have we lost our way of life? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdQ7Gig770
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Apr 29, 2021 04:07
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Arcsquad12 posted:Stink Bomb is silly and fun but I think you're selling Cannon Fodder short. It's a pretty grim piece that plays like a twisted slice of life excerpt except it's set in a military state with a siege mentality. That's fair - I haven't seen Stink Bomb or Cannon Fodder since literally the late 90's so it deserves fresh eyes. The animation was striking on that one from what I recall at least. I have a DVD of Memories somewhere and will keep my order ready to see it on Blu Ray too.
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Apr 29, 2021 04:10
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memories is on amazon prime now as well (also a couple other movies have been on there for a while, like welcome to the space show)
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Apr 29, 2021 04:33
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iirc the MGS theme was different enough that it probably wouldn’t have really been considered plagiarism but Konami didn’t want to deal with the threat of a lawsuit so they just changed it
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Apr 29, 2021 05:12
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thetoughestbean posted:https://youtu.be/jQlEYF112Js
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Apr 29, 2021 05:53
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Arcsquad12 posted:Stink Bomb is silly and fun but I think you're selling Cannon Fodder short. It's a pretty grim piece that plays like a twisted slice of life excerpt except it's set in a military state with a siege mentality. One thing I really love is they spend the entire story creating this subtext that it's probably all just propaganda to keep people under the thumb of the nobility, and nothing's actually out there in the wasteland. And then the counterattack starts, right at the end...
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Apr 29, 2021 06:09
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Augus posted:iirc the MGS theme was different enough that it probably wouldn’t have really been considered plagiarism but Konami didn’t want to deal with the threat of a lawsuit so they just changed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XblPR_O9lxU If it was only the main chorus that would be one thing but when it goes into the bridge and follows the same progression as Winter Road it's beyond a shadow of a doubt. Kojima wasn't even aware that it had been plagiarized until he was confronted with the two side by side and he straight up said "they're the same." Still not the worst. The really lovely plagiarism scandals are where they'll plagiarize and it sounds worse than the original. I know that's subjective because I think the MGS theme and Winter Road both sound fantastic, but the worst for me is still Tyler Bates ripping off Elliott Goldenthal's Titus Andronicus soundtrack for 300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAT_A71WOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAZsf8mTfyk Like it's not even a contest here, Goldenthal's original blows Bates's ripoff out of the water.
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Apr 29, 2021 06:15
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My favorite "Wait poo poo this is the same song." is this example: https://youtu.be/Xyw2vteGLE8 So where did this tune come from? https://youtu.be/7J2PgRop49s Oh gently caress, the Ralph Bakshi-verse.
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Apr 29, 2021 07:38
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nothings ever going to be funnier or more embarrassing than my michelle from mmx3 and i dont give a poo poo about gnr
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Apr 29, 2021 08:10
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Dragonball Z Kai also had this problem apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go5FxZdyO80 He even got in trouble for it.
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Apr 29, 2021 09:12
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Losing the original Not-Stratovarius OST to Budokai 1 is a tragedy. Then again copyright is hot bullshit that should die so lol.
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Apr 29, 2021 10:19
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DeafNote posted:Dragonball Z Kai also had this problem apparently Yep, I hear they even removed the Kai OST from subsequent releases of the show. But it was so good. There are bits I don't remember at all from the original but Kai made some of my favorites, and the music was a big reason for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQGY1MxtjWw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1o5krVrVf8
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Apr 29, 2021 10:29
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MonsieurChoc posted:Not a single Ishtar trailer, have we lost our way of life? Account terminated, very unfortunate In memoriam here's a trailer for something called Ishtar https://youtu.be/JpOvc--uKMo
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Apr 29, 2021 10:57
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Linkara looks at one of Frank Miller's most influential works, The Dark Knight Returns, from before he went completely off the rails with racism and misogyny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGw5o3pIyow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEc5O7R6lE
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Apr 29, 2021 11:02
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:She only gets called out for it because... her... she... I have my suspicions about why it's Yoko Kanno getting called out.
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