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apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
disappointed to find that the likes of PERPETUAL IDIOT and i say swears online unable to give WhiteGenocideNow a comprehensive education in the "better posts arent possible" subforum. guess its true what they say, dont meet your heroes

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Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

i in the following post will teach you everything i know about communism:

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

apropos to nothing posted:

disappointed to find that the likes of PERPETUAL IDIOT and i say swears online unable to give WhiteGenocideNow a comprehensive education in the "better posts arent possible" subforum. guess its true what they say, dont meet your heroes

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Darkman Fanpage posted:

you're really dumb huh?

Nah I think they had a fair question. Slurs aren't just bad words, it requires a class/group to be in a position of power. Calling a white guy a cracker isn't a slur imo. Can't write more tho, clocking into work at the poo poo factory

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

WhiteGenocideNow posted:

That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me

Just because cops are reasonably detestable doesn't mean you can conflict the shittiest class traitor occupation in existence to..*checks notes* mods on an sa forum

this type of posting got left behind with 2017 leftbook

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/2017/is-posting-praxis/ch01.html

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Nah I think they had a fair question. Slurs aren't just bad words, it requires a class/group to be in a position of power. Calling a white guy a cracker isn't a slur imo. Can't write more tho, clocking into work at the poo poo factory

wow how enlightening

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
maybe you guys should read a book about poo poo instead of getting all your knowledge from a forum full of idiots

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

WhiteGenocideNow posted:

a bunch of mayos

some of us here are brown :nyoron:

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

apropos to nothing posted:

if youre looking for education and information anywhere on the sa forums let alone cspam then i dunno what to say really

that’s not why I visit cspam but it’s a nice bonus when it happens :shobon:

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
the class reductionist posts are dumb, but also very easy to scroll past

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

exmarx posted:

my position on 'the r word' is that i'm not gonna use it, but it's a bad look when a mod probes someone for making fun of them

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

seriously, the weakest form one can assume is the one where you're countering every post with a probation

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
waaaah class reductionism!!!

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Intersectionality

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
there’s a good reading list in the op

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

lol i forgot mayor dave was the op of this thread

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

shameful

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


not even the IK of his own thread, that's gradenko's job now

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

WhiteGenocideNow posted:

That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me

Just because cops are reasonably detestable doesn't mean you can conflict the shittiest class traitor occupation in existence to..*checks notes* mods on an sa forum

this is a very mayo twitter post that somebody with an in this neighborhood sign would have. all it's missing is a sassy gif

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!
sorry everyone, the whites have decided that race isn’t real. the cis men have also begun to theorize that gender is a spook and the able bodied just can’t with your accessible construction rn.

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

namesake posted:

Haven't read it in detail but it seems to be a (the?) solid argument for Third Worldism. The counterpoint is that exploitation is not just bad and a source of revolutionary discontent due to the transfer of value from the working class to the ruling class - the first world worker is still miserable, stressed, managed by idiots daily and alienated from their labour and society even if the overall standard of living they have is boosted significantly due to transfers to the national economy from the rest of world. They experience the sharp end of capitalism, even if it isn't the sharpest end available globally and often occupy the insanely good position of being able to physically disrupt or threaten the actual members of the ruling class who live in the first world so the idea that they can't really develop revolutionary organisation is not as concrete as is argued there, although it does explain why reformism is so strong in the West.

Obviously the call for internationalism and material support for anti-imperialist forces everywhere is good and sensible Marxism whether you're a Third Worldist or not.

I wasn't really convinced by their net-exploitation argument, it seemed a bit unrealistic to expect that people check all the economic data to figure out whether they are a Net Exploiter or not before deciding on whether they will support socialism. I think their other argument, that a revolution arises only when and where it is historically necessary, is much more convincing. In fact I think that since communism can be understood primarily as a negation or critique of capitalism (viz. "Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence." emphasis mine), the desirability to the proletariat of a communist revolution can't be understood in terms of whether they will be better off after the revolution, but rather how intolerable the present conditions are to them.

And while certainly the conditions of the first-world worker are in places benefited by capitalism (explaining their drift towards reformism), they are as you said immiserated in other ways that can't just be fixed by throwing money at them. So I think the prospects for revolution are, while dim, still present in the first world - and brightening daily, given the gradual eroding of the wage differences that are the bedrock of unequal exchange and the increasing impossibility of a reformist solution as the rate of profit decreases.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Darkman Fanpage posted:

maybe you guys should read a book about poo poo instead of getting all your knowledge from a forum full of idiots

True you do post here

I wasn't agreeing with them, just saying maybe explain that it's also partly that the enslavement, exploitation etc of various peoples by Americans/europeans means that, even if there's a classless society, there's still a history of that poo poo. But instead of saying any of that, you'd prefer to just pretend to be the smartest person here.

SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Apr 29, 2021

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

never thought i'd see an explicit defence of race realism itt lol

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Sir use its proper name, scientific racism

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the immoral science

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

chairface
Oct 28, 2007

No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

unfortunately there is more than one immoral science, and only the one immortal science

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

Syncopation
Feb 21, 2020

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

lol

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

WhiteGenocideNow posted:

That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me

Just because cops are reasonably detestable doesn't mean you can conflict the shittiest class traitor occupation in existence to..*checks notes* mods on an sa forum

this is your first post in this thread lol

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

just laughed out loud irl

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
take a look a few pages back at the post where i quoted all the people using the word. if you actually care about making it so that word is no longer used in cspam, then you should get mad at the mods and demand they enforce the rule consistently so people stop posting it. instead i see a lot of people getting mad at posters who are calling out how larry and a few others are punished for poo poo that other people get away with.

so again, no reason for me to think its anything other than posting clique bullshit. if people want the word to stop being used, are you reporting those people and getting pissed at the mods and asking why those posters havent been punished just like larry was? no, instead theyre just arguing that its good larry was punished. if you think its good that larry was punished for using the word then you should also be pissed at the mods for not punishing all the others who continue to use the word but dont face any consequences. really dont see how this is so hard to understand. you say you want the word to stop being used? well heres a bunch of examples of it being used that the mods have decided to ignore, so get pissed at the mods for not doing anything about it instead of continuing to be pissed at larry who has already been punished in excess of what anyone else who is punished for the same thing ever gets.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

i say swears online posted:

the immoral science

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

apropos to nothing posted:

take a look a few pages back at the post where i quoted all the people using the word. if you actually care about making it so that word is no longer used in cspam, then you should get mad at the mods and demand they enforce the rule consistently so people stop posting it. instead i see a lot of people getting mad at posters who are calling out how larry and a few others are punished for poo poo that other people get away with.

so again, no reason for me to think its anything other than posting clique bullshit. if people want the word to stop being used, are you reporting those people and getting pissed at the mods and asking why those posters havent been punished just like larry was? no, instead theyre just arguing that its good larry was punished. if you think its good that larry was punished for using the word then you should also be pissed at the mods for not punishing all the others who continue to use the word but dont face any consequences. really dont see how this is so hard to understand. you say you want the word to stop being used? well heres a bunch of examples of it being used that the mods have decided to ignore, so get pissed at the mods for not doing anything about it instead of continuing to be pissed at larry who has already been punished in excess of what anyone else who is punished for the same thing ever gets.

Shut up retard

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

apropos to nothing posted:

take a look a few pages back at the post where i quoted all the people using the word. if you actually care about making it so that word is no longer used in cspam, then you should get mad at the mods and demand they enforce the rule consistently so people stop posting it. instead i see a lot of people getting mad at posters who are calling out how larry and a few others are punished for poo poo that other people get away with.

so again, no reason for me to think its anything other than posting clique bullshit. if people want the word to stop being used, are you reporting those people and getting pissed at the mods and asking why those posters havent been punished just like larry was? no, instead theyre just arguing that its good larry was punished. if you think its good that larry was punished for using the word then you should also be pissed at the mods for not punishing all the others who continue to use the word but dont face any consequences. really dont see how this is so hard to understand. you say you want the word to stop being used? well heres a bunch of examples of it being used that the mods have decided to ignore, so get pissed at the mods for not doing anything about it instead of continuing to be pissed at larry who has already been punished in excess of what anyone else who is punished for the same thing ever gets.

report the posts then, if you don't report them and then they don't get actioned on then why is it the mods fault for not seeing it?

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011
Start a feedback thread or something, goddamn.

No, I'm not going to probate people for using it in the context of discussing whether we can use it, no it's not as bad as the n-word, and no, I'm not going to probate posts that flew under the radar weeks ago or longer.

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a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!
I think the best solution for all involved would be for you to go the gently caress away, don’t post in this thread, and let someone else handle the moderation of it. you suck and absolutely no one wants you here. it’s a simple solution that you can’t seem to bring yourself to do for some reason

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