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THS posted:lol today Jacobin published an interview about xinjiang with a spook, sean roberts, who has worked extensively with USAID and now writes for radio free europe and radio free asia if there are three things I love in this world its political party assistance, independent media strengthening & electoral assistance
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Apr 29, 2021 20:05
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Ferrinus posted:well in the first place he had just come off a day or two-day or something for saying it and immediately said it again. i guess part of the fault lies with me for antagonizing him about it (i was and still am upset that he said it prior) but the basic principle of escalating probations for consciously and repeatedly transgressing doesn't seem like overreach to me. maybe if everyone had more time and energy to spare larry and flavius, or larry and me, or something, could sit down to have a mediated discussion in which we resolve our mutual issues instead, but who's got the time? no one cares or wants to read your essays about you being a big poopy baby who got mad that larry called you the r-word. in fact each essay you post only seems to further prove larry correct
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Apr 29, 2021 20:21
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lol somehow i feel the rest of the thread is even less likely to read it
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Apr 29, 2021 20:39
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may god have mercy on our souls, for goons will not
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Homeless Friend posted:may god have mercy on our souls, for goons will not i might
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Lasting Damage posted:man, nobody wants to read this bullshit what are you talking about
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Apr 29, 2021 20:54
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jacobin sucks...shame there's no us lefty publisher with a big nice newspaper. like physically big. I like to drink coffee and flip crinkly pages around. should be able to do so reading about the despicable ruling clsss and the heroes working to destroy them.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:no one cares or wants to read your essays about you being a big poopy baby who got mad that larry called you the r-word. in fact each essay you post only seems to further prove larry correct interesting, another evasion, even though the "essay" in this case is four sentences. i wonder if there's some reason might be repeatedly refusing to address the central point and instead gesturing vaguely at mod overreach, authoritarianism, the right to speech, etc
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Apr 29, 2021 20:59
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prediction: that youtube link is coming next
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I remember back when I used to read and care about theory it feels like an exercise in futility these days. you can dissect the putrefying corpse as much as you like, it will not create new life a 4 paragraph screed about modding is even less appetizing to me maybe this is all a reaction to a profound sense of alienation and powerless, I don't know. may you find whatever it is you seek, wayward poster ferrinus
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Apr 29, 2021 21:04
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i refuse to engage your central point because you're a big dumb baby NOW SHUT UP
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Mr. Lobe posted:I remember back when I used to read and care about theory I still like it a lot, especially as I've become more involved in the actual real world process of solidarity building, finding guidance from history etc. this thread is a good place to just find sources for stuff, or ask for others to share the fruit of human knowledge (URLs to PDFs) but I don't care about the mods. gently caress the mods
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Mr. Lobe posted:I remember back when I used to read and care about theory i really find theory energizing, but it's best when you read it with a group of people you're also doing other organizing with
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In Training posted:I still like it a lot, especially as I've become more involved in the actual real world process of solidarity building, finding guidance from history etc. this thread is a good place to just find sources for stuff, or ask for others to share the fruit of human knowledge (URLs to PDFs) but I don't care about the mods. gently caress the mods I am going to be in an awkward transition between nations and continents for about 3 months, and settling down to do activism again will be beyond my reach for a while. I've been outside of the states for a while and looking back from a distance, all the organized left seems so piddly, unorganized, and ineffective that I find my resolve actively weakens when I consider my options on the ground. maybe it will feel different when I'm around activists again, it's not like it ever felt like we were on the cusp of victory before I left the states in 2018, but somehow it was at least tolerable the whole "pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will" slogan used to be enough to keep me going. somehow that no longer feels like enough. is it a response to my own personal inertia? a reaction to the material conditions on the ground? some other unaccountable volatility in my mental health pointing my bearings towards depression? I don't know, but I don't like it.
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In Training posted:jacobin sucks...shame there's no us lefty publisher with a big nice newspaper. like physically big. I like to drink coffee and flip crinkly pages around. should be able to do so reading about the despicable ruling clsss and the heroes working to destroy them. found the trot
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol they cite articles that cite zenz
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https://twitter.com/edyrdologist/status/1387772131161870342?s=20 https://twitter.com/edyrdologist/status/1387772551355580426?s=20 the underdiscussed issue of Xinjiang.
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Apr 29, 2021 21:31
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did we ever get a definitive answer on which end of the corn dog you should start with
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/edyrdologist/status/1387772131161870342?s=20 you can't even talk about xinjiang any more. it's political correctness gone mad, mate
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These days, if you say you're from Xinjiang, you can be attested to being in jail.
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Bedshaped posted:These days, if you say you're from Xinjiang, you can be attested to being in jail. lol
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Bedshaped posted:These days, if you say you're from Xinjiang, you can be attested to being in jail. lmao
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Mr. Lobe posted:I am going to be in an awkward transition between nations and continents for about 3 months, and settling down to do activism again will be beyond my reach for a while. I've been outside of the states for a while and looking back from a distance, all the organized left seems so piddly, unorganized, and ineffective that I find my resolve actively weakens when I consider my options on the ground. maybe it will feel different when I'm around activists again, it's not like it ever felt like we were on the cusp of victory before I left the states in 2018, but somehow it was at least tolerable Again, it really depends on what you hope to accomplish. I think the American left is it a bit of an awkward transition-era where previously the government ignored it and now it actively trying to co-opt it because of obvious geopolitical obstacles. It may be possible that there will be some tid-bits through here and there and almost certain elements of the left will look the other way. Then you have the rest of the world that has to see the US as even more threatening than before. It really comes down on what side you want to fall on. ------- As far as anti-imperalism and American workers being on the same side...that may not necessarily be the case. Remember the 1960s when organized labor was actually for the the Vietnam war? Ardennes fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/dtbyler/status/1387849650556653573?s=20quote:Anthropologist, U. of Colorado Postdoc (Uyghur technopolitics & state capitalism in Chinese cities of Central Asia). Incoming Assistant Prof. @sfuintlstudies
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that is darren byler, a member of the kissinger institute and whose vague scare piece about xinjiang was published by chuang under the name "adam hunerven"
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Ardennes posted:As far as anti-imperalism and American workers being on the same side...that may not necessarily be the case. Remember the 1960s when organized labor was actually for the the Vietnam war? Tbf, between the feds, the mob, and regular corruption, much of US organized labor in the 60s wasn’t exactly on the side of the American worker either
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Here's a job opportunity if anyone is interested https://twitter.com/DrMelOB/status/1386887186163765251?s=20
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In Training posted:jacobin sucks...shame there's no us lefty publisher with a big nice newspaper. like physically big. I like to drink coffee and flip crinkly pages around. should be able to do so reading about the despicable ruling clsss and the heroes working to destroy them. https://www.socialistalternative.org/paper/
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Apr 29, 2021 22:43
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if youre disappointed about the state of and disorganization of the socialist movement in the us then the only solution is to go out and build the organization yourself. if you wanna be depressed and pessimistic youre allowed to feel that way but dont blame that on the state of the socialist movement, theres always work to be done and you can just go do it.
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but I am le tired... Lol
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"You can have revolutionaries both wise and ignorant, intelligent or mediocre. But you can't have revolutionaries who lack the willingness to smash obstacles, who lack devotion and the spirit of sacrifice."
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Trabisnikof posted:Tbf, between the feds, the mob, and regular corruption, much of US organized labor in the 60s wasn’t exactly on the side of the American worker either It was a process co-option where the radical elements of the labor movement were completely suppressed and what was left was essentially was left was the AFL-CIO. As for building a socialist movement in the US, I would have to first ask what they are hoping to accomplish in the not only the US but internationally.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Here's a job opportunity if anyone is interested Lol just outright saying they want someone with preconceived notions to create imperialist propaganda about Xinjiang
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Ardennes posted:It was a process co-option where the radical elements of the labor movement were completely suppressed and what was left was essentially was left was the AFL-CIO. the top half but, crucially, NOT the bottom half of this map 
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building organization in the us is a pretty important thing for the international socialist movement since the us is the most powerful capitalist and imperialist power in the world. we have comrades come from all over the world to help with campaigns we run. but we also have comrades travel internationally to our comrades there or intervene in struggle. have comrades in Myanmar now for example. and like as stupid as it might sound, think global act local. I’ve recruited people to SA in my town who have moved and gone on to help build and recruit in new places where we had no members before. again, do the work, you’re prolly not gonna go down in history as the next Lenin but any time you spend doing it will at least be time spent away from this thread which is it’s own reward
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Ferrinus posted:the top half but, crucially, NOT the bottom half of this map This map honestly surprises me that the US would see an increase in median income
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StashAugustine posted:This map honestly surprises me that the US would see an increase in median income that's my favorite part. in the global uprising the revolutionary forces of the USA will have to contend with canadian revanchists
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