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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bhmhITDOA First DLC, a new henchman.
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Soylent Pudding posted:When does the patch drop? Yesterday
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Apr 29, 2021 15:34
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Jackie whips rear end btw, you get her in act 3 which is really late but god drat she's worth it
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Apr 29, 2021 15:45
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Playing more today, redesigned the entrances to my base both from the helipad and the casino and really getting the impression it's a waste of time trying to defend with traps. It maybe has something to do with the patch also landing at the same time as I started moving into tier 3 criminal networks everywhere, but it feels like investigators are just disabling all of my traps, or else getting into fights as they try to leave through the helipad and are setting off traps on their way out. Edit: This is what the exit from my helipad looks like, and all it's doing is causing far more death among my minions than it ever did when I just had a couple guards posted there with it set to auto-distract. 
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Apr 29, 2021 16:22
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I really am starting to hate how doors and traps are barely even obstacles for even the most poo poo of agents. They used to sit there forever trying to hack the door but now any schmuck can drop a reinforced door and all the traps behind it in a couple seconds.
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Apr 29, 2021 16:48
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ArchRanger posted:Playing more today, redesigned the entrances to my base both from the helipad and the casino and really getting the impression it's a waste of time trying to defend with traps. It maybe has something to do with the patch also landing at the same time as I started moving into tier 3 criminal networks everywhere, but it feels like investigators are just disabling all of my traps, or else getting into fights as they try to leave through the helipad and are setting off traps on their way out. I don't think traps are where they ought to be and I'm definitely hoping for some tweaks here but the issues with your setup seem pretty clear. High skill investigators can disable a single trap at the time, if they decide to disable your positional traps (mainly the wind blowers here) then the rest of your combo fails, double up on those wind blowers or combine them with a magnet so the affected squares overlap and they'll almost always catch an agent. Also dancefloors are a stop in place kind of trap so I'm not really sure what those laser walls are supposed to do except stall for a little time without another positional trap combo. Autsj fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Apr 29, 2021 23:54
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Traps and minions aren't really supposed to mix imo. They should be in decoy corridors, or high security low-traffic areas.
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Apr 30, 2021 01:22
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Old saves don't work with the patch? I figure i might as well restart, as this seems to fix some of the big issues I was having, havening an entire floor of command centers just so i can unlock every territory in the map and upgrade the networks in each one.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:28
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Anyone know how much earlier T3 research unlocks? That and weapon management are my two biggest peevea
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Apr 30, 2021 03:08
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Autsj posted:I don't think traps are where they ought to be and I'm definitely hoping for some tweaks here but the issues with your setup seem pretty clear. High skill investigators can disable a single trap at the time, if they decide to disable your positional traps (mainly the wind blowers here) then the rest of your combo fails, double up on those wind blowers or combine them with a magnet so the affected squares overlap and they'll almost always catch an agent. Also dancefloors are a stop in place kind of trap so I'm not really sure what those laser walls are supposed to do except stall for a little time without another positional trap combo. I ended up just replacing it with a big room full of guard posts again, I'm still losing some minions but nowhere near as much as I was from the traps, but I'll keep this in mind for the next time I build a trap hallway like that. Though it doesn't matter now, it was meant to be several discrete trap combos rather than a single long chain, figuring that the fan/magnets could pull or push the agents from beyond their disabling reach but it seemed not to work that way, so yeah, doubling up next time. twistedmentat posted:Old saves don't work with the patch? I figure i might as well restart, as this seems to fix some of the big issues I was having, havening an entire floor of command centers just so i can unlock every territory in the map and upgrade the networks in each one. My save still works after the patch. Danaru posted:Anyone know how much earlier T3 research unlocks? That and weapon management are my two biggest peevea I think it's at least a couple missions earlier than it was before. When I booted up my save it added the side missions to unlock the last tier of minions while I was trying to clear up Super Agent side missions, but hadn't gotten far enough to unlock the final stage of any of them. I know that's not *super* useful, but at the very least a few main missions sooner than before.
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Apr 30, 2021 03:15
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I think they may have overtuned missions a bit, 10s is cool and all but it also feels kind of short.
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Apr 30, 2021 04:15
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Started a new base with Emma on Hard, just got past the first henchmen objective and the side stories to recruit mercs, socialites, and the next tier of scientist are already available, drat. Good patch. I'm seeing Saboteurs and Soldier incursions too.
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Apr 30, 2021 04:34
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not gonna be able to play for a bit but did they fix iris’ incessant alerts about minions/training rooms/spend less, steal more?
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Apr 30, 2021 05:18
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double negative posted:not gonna be able to play for a bit but did they fix iris’ incessant alerts about minions/training rooms/spend less, steal more? Not sure about the others, but the low funds warnings are potentially helpful info now that salaries are a bigger concern.
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Apr 30, 2021 05:21
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Yeah, traps feel like they're just early warning systems, so I just have a boxing glove at either entrance. The exploding robots have shy'ed me away from putting any in numbers. I'd just prefer my guards and merc distract or beat up the intruders. Though with my layout as it is, my Deception minions get mauled any time a kill squad or super agent goes to the Deception amenities. Also, seems a stealth nerf went through on not being able to explode a locked-down criminal network. I dunno how I feel about that. I'd rather just be denied using that province for awhile, but the miscalculation penalty is rough in the early game.
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Apr 30, 2021 06:16
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Oh boy, the DLC is out and people are raving mad both in reviews and on the steam forums. I kinda get why, but wow that's heck of a review bomb.
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Apr 30, 2021 12:18
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A lot of the negative reviews are for what you'd expect - videogame company charging me for extra content a bloo bloo - but someone did mention that you have to start a new game to access the DLC which would be a bummer for anyone who picked up the season pass because the last thing I'm going to want to do is start a brand new game every time DLC releases.
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Apr 30, 2021 14:28
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Danaru posted:Anyone know how much earlier T3 research unlocks? pretty much immediately, i started a new game as max and after the first hench recruit mission and you're out of the early game setup, you can get the next tier minions like socialite, spin doctor, merc, and geneticist. so you can unlock T3 when you've barely started on T1 now it looks like the major obstacle to progression is minion salaries. i dunno if they were broken before or just secret or what but the game is a lot more forward-presenting with vital info, like what object settings do, which objects generate suspicion, how much you'll need to pay your minions and exactly when. minions are expensive now, so while you could trivialize the game before by just shooting straight for 300 minions and training them up, now your growth curve is heavily constrained by having to pay wages, and keeping your minion numbers within your current budget if you miss a payday, every minion who doesn't get paid gets immediate 0 morale, so keep a close eye on the payday countdown e: also the world map is speedy now, its great. no more waiting forever for the single helicopter to slooooowly cycle Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Apr 30, 2021 15:30
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explosivo posted:A lot of the negative reviews are for what you'd expect - videogame company charging me for extra content a bloo bloo - but someone did mention that you have to start a new game to access the DLC which would be a bummer for anyone who picked up the season pass because the last thing I'm going to want to do is start a brand new game every time DLC releases. Feels justified here. Releasing DLC so soon after initial release makes it blatantly clear it's content cut from the main game to be sold separately.
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Apr 30, 2021 20:32
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I mean, there is a period between code being done and the game being released where some people might be idle, especially art and model people. Plus, they have to put something in this season pass of theirs.
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Apr 30, 2021 20:43
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Game wasn't expensive and the DLC has a heavy cosmetic focus - seems fine to me. But the game-restart requirement suuuuucks
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Apr 30, 2021 20:45
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I don't think anyone would be mad at the DLC if the game was good, but its not. It's the bastard child of a bunch of projects fused together and it shows.
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Apr 30, 2021 20:46
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My headcanon for this game is it's a Silicon Valley Office Tycoon. Most of my lair is amenities for employees, aside from entire floors of generators. I'm building waaaaay more cafeterias than I ever had to in EG1. I kinda wish I could name them after various figures of infamy. The Musk Cafe, Dulles Bros. Coffee, Kim Il Sung Sushi, and Reagan Refreshments  .Though I like how they actually use this poo poo, unlike in 1. dogstile posted:I don't think anyone would be mad at the DLC if the game was good, but its not. It's the bastard child of a bunch of projects fused together and it shows. And despite that, it's still got very good bones in it and just needs some tweaks, which they've shown they are good for. Like, I can understand why people might bounce off it. I'm a brokebrain who's been addicted to idle games for the last month anyway (2 bitburner saves and I'm on my second Evolve run), so the slow pacing was probably not going to get to me. I'm very obviously a fanboy too since I have the original game on my shelf that I got fairly recently after release so I'm just stoked to have this game back again and it's way better than it probably ought to be (you're not wrong about it's origins).
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Apr 30, 2021 21:01
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Game wasn't expensive and the DLC has a heavy cosmetic focus - seems fine to me. But the game-restart requirement suuuuucks I feel like the thing about the game is that they did design it with the intention of people doing multiple playthroughs, but underestimated how long a single playthrough takes. There are a lot of strategy/management games out there where a patch/DLC requiring a game restart is not that big a deal because you restart all the time, but a single playthrough in EG2, not even a 100% side mission thing, can take dozens of hours. skooma512 posted:My headcanon for this game is it's a Silicon Valley Office Tycoon. You should play Zalika because this is literally her backstory.
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Apr 30, 2021 21:04
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LLSix posted:Feels justified here. Eh, could be content that the art team was working on after the main game was finalized and they were doing the last round of bug testing and QA. I imagine that with henchmen, the art/animation/models are the bulk of the work in adding them, so it's entirely possible that the teams that aren't actively working to fix or rebalance the underlying game mechanics are working on the Season Pass content. E- Which I just now noticed that skooma512 mentioned before I did. Replaying the campaign isn't a big deal IMO since each of the geniuses have enough individual quirks and entirely different storylines to be worth playing each of them through at least once. For me, that is. Others might get bored after 1 or 2 geniuses. I still say that Montañas Gemelas is my favorite map so far. Gorgeous area, the tram dropoff is neat, I can compartmentalize things very easy in the two-spire split, and the walkway between the two spires makes for a WONDERFUL trap hallway. khy fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Apr 30, 2021 21:29
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LLSix posted:Feels justified here. I wonder how many times actual factual developers from all corners of the industry will have to post in this subforum that this is not how content production works before we stop getting these big brain posts. Oh well.
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Apr 30, 2021 21:41
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LLSix posted:Feels justified here. Releasing what is effectively new art assets and one Henchman is blatantly clear that those teams finished first before the mechanics teams and had the time to star their first DLC earlier, especially since almost all the post launch support we've seen has been focused on balance and pacing. It's been two months, that's plenty of time to get this done, especially if your art team has been working on it since you finished the art assets for the main game - often months before release - and didn't let all your artists go (a common industry practice for small studios). People assume it's cut content because they have no concept of how vidja games are actually made and this discussion seems like it happens every time a DLC comes out for any game these days.
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Apr 30, 2021 23:09
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Still remember when the last game I was a part of went gold and we had a solid couple of months where people had nothing to do but design new content for it because the game was done and we weren't changing the core experience anymore.
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May 1, 2021 03:29
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Patch made game way better.
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May 1, 2021 03:33
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Captain Oblivious posted:I wonder how many times actual factual developers from all corners of the industry will have to post in this subforum that this is not how content production works before we stop getting these big brain posts. Oh well. Paid DLC negatively affects game development. 
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May 1, 2021 06:46
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If you have to pay your minions a salary, do they have to pay for amenities? Can they go blow their savings in the Casino?
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May 1, 2021 07:59
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Captain Oblivious posted:I wonder how many times actual factual developers from all corners of the industry will have to post in this subforum that this is not how content production works before we stop getting these big brain posts. Oh well. there were couple of streamers that slipped with NDA accidentally talking about testing DLC before the game was launched., while devs were dishonestly saying that they didnt know what dlc was going to be. But that is rather minor complaint to have in my opinion. Its just how modern games extract money. Its pretty fair that dlc itself is just small stuff, instead of half of the game.
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May 1, 2021 08:26
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Oh poo poo Guards can one-shot level 1 investigators now  My boys are back to form
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May 1, 2021 18:53
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Dark Off posted:there were couple of streamers that slipped with NDA accidentally talking about testing DLC before the game was launched., while devs were dishonestly saying that they didnt know what dlc was going to be. Or they signed NDA's too?
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May 1, 2021 23:03
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you have to pay your minions a salary, do they have to pay for amenities? Can they go blow their savings in the Casino? Nope. Salaries are there to introduce a money sink so that you don't ever fully ignore the world map. God knows in EG1 it was possible to very easily build up a fortune then the only time you'd ever bother stealing was when it was a mission objective. Now it's something you're meant to be paying attention to the whole game long.
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May 2, 2021 08:45
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dogstile posted:Or they signed NDA's too? they could have just left the question unanswered or said that they could not talk about it. But in the end it does not matter at all. like it was 1 sentence in a interview and one sentence for streamer screwing up the NDA, easy to mess up like that. the base game is fun and dlc's are minor unneeded things like dlc should be. basically they took nothing important out of the base game. Which is good.
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May 2, 2021 10:18
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I know it's the gameplay loop, but it's kinda annoying I can't just kick investigators out of my legitimate casino after I find them repeatedly messing with doors. Or even just closing the doors to anyone for a minute while I clean things up. Also soldiers can just roll up and start blasting in a tourist resort and somehow, that's on me. I know the Americans do mass shootings as a form of self-care, so what's SABRE's excuse?
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skooma512 posted:Also soldiers can just roll up and start blasting in a tourist resort and somehow, that's on me. I know the Americans do mass shootings as a form of self-care, so what's SABRE's excuse? Everything is Europe's fault. I'm not sure I like the new scheme system. It feels like I'm spending more micro time than previously to get the long hour schemes by running/canceling repeatedly till I get it.
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May 4, 2021 22:21
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Speaking of schemes, I'm getting a little tired of hunting down those teeny little pieces, especially if I'm just station keeping and spamming heat deletes.
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I honestly wish i could turn off the map topography and just go back to EG1's map.
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