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Epicurius posted:If I went to the President and gave him $10 and said "Here's $10. Please pardon me", and he did, that would be illegal. Its not illegal to accept money to petition the President for a pardon, though, so what Stone did there probably isn't illegal. I believe there are laws around lobbying, however, and lots of ways to get in trouble over it. Like, if my company does work for my state and I'm involved in it, and I spent $31 on a meal for state employee and don't disclose it on the proper forms, it can be a Bad Thing. Edit: I don't have a picture of a cute dog, but will pay a tax by saying thanks to Evilweasel for the continued excellent posting. Helps me hit that "learn something new every day" button. Ynglaur fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Ynglaur posted:I believe there are laws around lobbying, however, and lots of ways to get in trouble over it. Like, if my company does work for my state and I'm involved in it, and I spent $31 on a meal for state employee and don't disclose it on the proper forms, it can be a Bad Thing. Got you, fam 
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Kalit posted:That response from Jarmak wasn't directed at you. How much daylight is there between "they murdered him because of weed" and "weed was the excuse they used to pick him up and then they murdered him for other reasons once they had him" (E: and also one of those "other reasons" may well include "cops don't think the lives of drug users have value") idk from a policy perspective, seems to me if people are getting picked up because of weed and then murdered, they're being murdered because of weed or at least the laws against weed are providing opportunities for murder that wouldn't otherwise exist. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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zoux posted:I guess the dissonance here is that we're always talking about how generous European social programs and spending are while their monetary policy seems to be extremely miserly. People already responded to you specifically on monetary stuff, EU structure etc. but I would like to take a moment to mention that most European countries have been cutting back on social programs over the past decades. Even though most are still ahead of the US (a low bar) there has been increased encroachment of free market approaches towards healthcare, housing, and labour practices.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The situation is not comparable at all don't do the "american exceptionalism but america bad" thing. We fought a literal civil war because a regional block of states refused to comply with the federal government. We currently have massive issues with economic disparity between states, and cool new battle lines being drawn where by the end of the year, transgender people effectively lose freedom of travel to certain states. Yes we have a stronger federal system than the EU and yes we a have a more uniform collective culture, but we absolutely face a lot of the same stupid challenges involved in being a confederation in spite of much more experience.
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BigglesSWE posted:Republicans will want to impeach him now, since he dissed the concept touted by God-Emperor Reagan. They need to accept anarchobidenism into their hearts
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VitalSigns posted:How much daylight is there between "they murdered him because of weed" and "weed was the excuse they used to pick him up and then they murdered him for other reasons once they had him" (E: and also one of those "other reasons" may well include "cops don't think the lives of drug users have value") basically my position; picking nits this inconsequential smacks far too closely of trying to come up with a justification for the murder, or at the least engaging with the language the pigs use (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Presto posted:I don't understand anything anymore.
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u brexit ukip it posted:People already responded to you specifically on monetary stuff, EU structure etc. but I would like to take a moment to mention that most European countries have been cutting back on social programs over the past decades. Even though most are still ahead of the US (a low bar) there has been increased encroachment of free market approaches towards healthcare, housing, and labour practices.
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Presto posted:I don't understand anything anymore.
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Presto posted:I don't understand anything anymore. NFT's are just buying images from the internet as someone would go to an art auction and buy a painting. Except NFT's are an even bigger indicator that taxes are too low on the rich.
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Oxyclean posted:it's a dumb ponzi scam being pushed by tech bros that rich people are getting in on, occasionally non-rich people make money from it and those stories get amplified to make it look like anyone can. I think it's pretty dumb to call it "the first good NFT" because no NFT is good, but someone using this garbage to pay for student loans is about as close to good as you get. Presto fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Presto posted:Oh, I get all the pieces individually, it's when you put it all together that it exceeds the limits of my brain. I mean, someone paid a half million dollars (in the form of a cryptocoin) for an electronic token that sort of grants ownership to the original copy of a photo that's been reproduced many thousands of times. Is that photo a work of art that required hundreds of hours of efforts from an artist? No, it's a snap some guy took of his daughter that got famous on Internet message boards. I mean you've got it precisely. It really is that stupid.
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Presto posted:Oh, I get all the pieces individually, it's when you put it all together that it exceeds the limits of my brain. I mean, someone paid a half million dollars (in the form of a cryptocoin) for an electronic token that sort of grants ownership to the original copy of a photo that's been reproduced many thousands of times. Is that photo a work of art that required hundreds of hours of efforts from an artist? No, it's a snap some guy took of his daughter that got famous on Internet message boards. I can only assume its a bunch of assholes making investments to make NFT look viable to normal people. Or people stupid enough to think there's value in the block chain saying they "own" a particular meme or whatever.
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Presto posted:Oh, I get all the pieces individually, it's when you put it all together that it exceeds the limits of my brain. I mean, someone paid a half million dollars (in the form of a cryptocoin) for an electronic token that sort of grants ownership to the original copy of a photo that's been reproduced many thousands of times. Is that photo a work of art that required hundreds of hours of efforts from an artist? No, it's a snap some guy took of his daughter that got famous on Internet message boards. It doesn't do the bolded part, you own nothing of the original in literally any way The thing you own is a link to that picture, and by own I mean you have a certificate that contains a link to the picture that says you own the certificate, you don't actually own the link either
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Thom12255 posted:NFT's are just buying images from the internet as someone would go to an art auction and buy a painting. Except NFT's are an even bigger indicator that taxes are too low on the rich. well that and if you really want to over complicate your money laundering scheme.
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E: ^^ also this NFTs are just a way to siphon money out of people with more dollars than sense by riding on Bitcoin's hype. Also, I've started seeing ads for bitcoin visa cards. 
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once again the gbs buttcoin thread is good on this. I think the most recent analogy is you ask to buy the mona lisa, some guy goes sure, goes to the bathroom to get a TP square that says you own it, puts the sqaure in trash. you cant take the painting, have to still visit during museum hours and guest policy, etc.
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An NFT is exactly the same as a guy handing you a note saying "You own the Mona Lisa, certified by me" with the URL of a picture of the Mona Lisa on it, except you also set a bunch of coal on fire for it
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Thom12255 posted:NFT's are just buying images from the internet as someone would go to an art auction and buy a painting. Except NFT's are an even bigger indicator that taxes are too low on the rich. Additionally, there is never anything stopping people from walking up to the painting and making perfect copies.
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Piell posted:It doesn't do the bolded part, you own nothing of the original in literally any way That's what pushes it over the top for me from seeing NFTs as environmentally irresponsible investment toys to just feeling bewildered/crazy seeing people throw money at them. Oxyclean posted:It's more like going to an art auction and paying for a slip of paper that says you own the painting, that gets stored in some big book at the back of the museum. Except I'm not even sure it's that, I think it's more like paying for an ISBN to the book that says you own the painting. or something weird and kind of removed. Actually there is, and it's the same thing that prevents the owner of an NFT from legally reproducing the associated media they very much don't own: copywrite law. MixMasterMalaria fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Presto posted:Oh, I get all the pieces individually, it's when you put it all together that it exceeds the limits of my brain. I mean, someone paid a half million dollars (in the form of a cryptocoin) for an electronic token that sort of grants ownership to the original copy of a photo that's been reproduced many thousands of times. Is that photo a work of art that required hundreds of hours of effort from an artist? No, it's a snap some guy took of his daughter that got famous on Internet message boards. Dan olson on twitter clued me in that one dude is getting most of the meme NFTs. A key element, I believe, is that they aren't bought for $500,000 they are bout for 4 ETH or whatever. And then the ETH is currently selling for $100,000 (numbers are wrong, but you get it). So, if I have a way to sell my own shits from my butt for a million dollars a turd, you bet your rear end I'm buying stuff with it! I have loads of it, and the more people buy stuff with my feces the more valuable it is. https://www.thenifty.com/farzin-fardin-fard-3fmusic-275/
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In a way isn't it like all those "buy gold" rackets where they give you a certificate that says it's for x amount of gold but there's no guarantee on that? EDIT: only even dumber?
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thats another thing I dont get about NFTs, pirates are still pirating( oh and in the case when they find something they like they might actually pay for a legit thing because they like thing) literally the only thing to ever put a dent in piracy rate is streaming stuff where cost of ease of access was so low and easy that pirate went with the lower effort route.
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Angry_Ed posted:In a way isn't it like all those "buy gold" rackets where they give you a certificate that says it's for x amount of gold but there's no guarantee on that? Exactly this. Only updated for techbros and hype addicts.
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Piell posted:An NFT is exactly the same as a guy handing you a note saying "You own the Mona Lisa, certified by me" with the URL of a picture of the Mona Lisa on it, except you also set a bunch of coal on fire for it Look at any photograph or work of art. If you could duplicate exactly the first tiny dot of color, and then the next and the next, you would end with a perfect copy of the whole, indistinguishable from the original in every way, including the so-called "moral value" of the art itself. Nothing can transcend its smallest elements. -- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Ethics of Greed" ' but in real life.
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NFTs are also seen as a way to exploit whales in spaces where gambling/loot box psychology wouldn't normally apply.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Actually there is, and it's the same thing that prevents the owner of an NFT from legally reproducing the associated media they very much don't own: copywrite law. I mean in the context of NFTs being digital images: nothing is stopping anyone from right-click saving an image, unless it's merely never shared publicly, or some other caveat (private commission) that wouldn't need NFTs in the first place. The whole "NFTs are good for artists because they make digital art more monetizable like physical art" is a weird argument. MixMasterMalaria posted:NFTs are also seen as a way to exploit whales in spaces where gambling/loot box psychology wouldn't normally apply.
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NFTs are also good for money laundering, for bringing money earned in the shadow economy into the real economy. I give you a duffel bag full of ecstasy pills and a URL pointing digital picture of a pretty flower, you say "Oh how pretty, I must have the NFT rights to the picture of this flower" and give me $500,000 and then you walk away with a URL pointing to a picture of a pretty flower (and also a duffel bag full of ecstasy pills). I then book my $500k drug deal as a perfectly legitimate sale of a digital asset, and now I can do anything I want with that money (once I pay all the appropriate taxes etc.) The NFT is just a fig leaf, an arbitrary token to serve as cover for another transaction. It's like laundering money through a pizza joint or dry cleaners, except with lower overheard and less hassle.
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Presto posted:Oh, I get all the pieces individually, it's when you put it all together that it exceeds the limits of my brain. I mean, someone paid a half million dollars (in the form of a cryptocoin) for an electronic token that sort of grants ownership to the original copy of a photo that's been reproduced many thousands of times. Is that photo a work of art that required hundreds of hours of effort from an artist? No, it's a snap some guy took of his daughter that got famous on Internet message boards. I hate that I’m the kind of person who feels compelled to post this, but. Everything you said is right, except the dad is a legit decent amateur photographer and put actual work into making a good photograph, and that’s part of why it’s so popular. But like I said everything else is correct and whole thing is insane.
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Oxyclean posted:I mean in the context of NFTs being digital images: nothing is stopping anyone from right-click saving an image, unless it's merely never shared publicly, or some other caveat (private commission) that wouldn't need NFTs in the first place. The whole "NFTs are good for artists because they make digital art more monetizable like physical art" is a weird argument. NFTs are good for artists because it lets them sell their work twice, once physically and once as an NFT
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I can't watch YouTube without BUY CRYPTO NOW YOU CAN TRADE CRUYPTO ALL DAY WE BULL CEO CERTIFJED BUY BUG BUY BITCOINBUG.COM BITCOINBUG.COM BITCOINBUG.COM ironically these appear on leftwing podcasts that are riffing on Crypto.
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NFTs remind me of the Beanie Baby craze in the late 90’s. At first everyone thought they were awesome and rare and very valuable. Then seemingly overnight everyone agreed that actually they are dumb and there’s a million of them and they are worthless. I feel like NFTs are in that first phase now.
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Piell posted:NFTs are good for artists because it lets them sell their work twice, once physically and once as an NFT They can sell it as many times as they want as a NFT Also it doesn't have to be theirs
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FMguru posted:NFTs are also good for money laundering, for bringing money earned in the shadow economy into the real economy. I give you a duffel bag full of ecstasy pills and a URL pointing digital picture of a pretty flower, you say "Oh how pretty, I must have the NFT rights to the picture of this flower" and give me $500,000 and then you walk away with a URL pointing to a picture of a pretty flower (and also a duffel bag full of ecstasy pills). I then book my $500k drug deal as a perfectly legitimate sale of a digital asset, and now I can do anything I want with that money (once I pay all the appropriate taxes etc.) Its the illicit potential of carpets without having to deal in physical carpets.
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NFTs are just the George C Parker Brooklyn Bridge scam but instead of a popular landmark it's a .png
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The best analogy I've seen is that NFTs are literally a villain scheme from Captain Planet. You turn the system on and it produces nothing but pollution and cash in a rich guy's pocket.
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Piell posted:NFTs are good for artists because it lets them sell their work twice, once physically and once as an NFT
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