Farm Frenzy posted:

AnimeIsTrash posted:

His RGD thread seems pretty cool.

Trabisnikof posted:

big difference between showing interest in the idea and actually ever being capable of pulling it off, the trueanon ep has been saying the former and people are pretending they said the latter

Farm Frenzy posted:

so he just got killed for talking poo poo?

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I have previously described their comments on the problem of delegation. However, by far the strongest reaction to any question we raised with the two admirals in our two-hour meeting came when I mentioned as a possibility a decision by the president to go to war against the Soviet Union alone, not against China. Both admirals drew back and seemed genuinely to go into shock. Admiral Kivette said, “I would hope that’s out of the question!”

I repeated the question: “But suppose that an order did come from the JCS to execute war plans against the Soviet Union only. How would you respond to it, and how long would it take you?”
There was a long silence in which it appeared that Admiral Ekstrom was almost holding back an urge to vomit. Then he said, enunciating each phrase separately, almost gasping, as if in pained incredulity, “You have … to assume … some … modicum … of rationality … in higher authority … that they would not do something … so insane … as to go to war … against one Communist power … while letting the other one off … scot-free.”

Faced with such a visceral response (the elisions are in my notes, handwritten just afterwards), I chose not to pursue that line of discussion, although it was already becoming evident in intelligence available at RAND that a split between the Chinese and the Soviets had developed. (It turned out to have arisen in particular out of the Russian refusal to provide nuclear weapons to the mainland Chinese during the Taiwan Strait crisis of 1958, and their subsequent withdrawal of Soviet nuclear technicians from China.)

I thought I was discovering a parochial bias in the Pacific Command that should be brought to the attention of planners and decision makers at the national level. I was wrong. It was the next year that I learned, in the Pentagon, that President Eisenhower and the Joint Chiefs of Staff shared the admirals’ views entirely. They had no intention, under any circumstances, to shock Admiral Kivette with an order to spare the Chinese—even initially or provisionally—in any war with the Soviet Union.

But by the time I learned that, it had long been clear to me that if the highest authorities did give such an order—if they had changed their minds in a crisis and did, after all, wish operations to exclude China at least initially—it would be virtually impossible to implement that order quickly in the Pacific. That was true for technical as well as bureaucratic reasons. CINCPAC planners were working extremely hard, around the clock each year, just to produce one single plan for nuclear war against the Sino-Soviet bloc, and they simply didn’t have the ability to produce a second plan for war with the Soviet Union alone.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

His RGD thread seems pretty cool.

Atrocious Joe posted:

In the book The Doomsday Machine, Daniel Ellsburg had this passage from his time working in a RAND nuclear policy study group in 1960.

Breakfast All Day posted:

people believing mr moneybags missile gap was absolutely gonna end the cold war because they ate the boomer lib hagiography ideology slop will never get old

jfk was a self interested psycho like all the rest, he only beefed with the cia because they were a threat to his own power

Atrocious Joe posted:

The funniest option is if the CIA killed Kennedy and ousted Nixon because those presidents wanted to try to sway certain nationalist and socialist governments away from the Soviets as a way to divide and conquer the socialist bloc and emerging third world. The CIA, military, and much of the capitalist establishment just thought they should try to take on everyone at once and even that the Sino-Soviet split was maybe just a psyop.

China allying with the US helped lead to the collapse of the USSR so it turned out that the CIA was really bad at picking the winning imperialist strategy in the Cold War.

But, letting China develop has led to Cold War 2 so maybe the CIA was right all along.

Breadallelogram posted:

I can accept not liking cum town, but to be confused by it...

AnimeIsTrash posted:

His RGD thread seems pretty cool.

Breadallelogram posted:

I can accept not liking cum town, but to be confused by it...

Victory Position posted:

he spent most of his youth being baffled by Jerkcity Bonequest

gradenko_2000 posted:

JFK's comments on the missile gap was because the CIA was feeding everyone bad information about a missile gap in the first place.


The CIA ousted Nixon because he was trying to get out of Vietnam, which they didn't want him to do because they were making too much money off the drug trade.

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as i've mentioned the actual left and the extreme right these people are lost to you but you can hold on to liberals and the reason you can hold on to them in a way you can't hold on to other people is that liberals still sink an enormous amount of faith and credulity into the idea that even if our institutions aren't perfect even if there are oversights and mistakes and even outright instances of corruption ultimately our institutions are here for the good and even if not you know most of the time even if not even half of the time but just sometimes those institutions can work on behalf of the public benefit now that's loving absurd you and i know that's not true at all but this forms the groundwork of the liberal worldview that we simply need more and more reformed institutions working better and better and this will you know the loving slow boring of hard boards this will eventually lead to you know the rectification of all things wrong within crony capitalism as if all capitalism wasn't loving crony capitalism and i think anyone who has any actual power and is very bright at all understands quite well that in order to keep that power

he or she has to give the liberals a win or at least an apparent win every once in a while he or she must maintain the liberals faith that ultimately we are an infinitely perfectible shining city on the hill whose institutions are sure perhaps undergoing a particular threat at this moment due to the unprecedentedly evil presidency of donald trump who's you know what's i mean top five bad presidents maybe they have to keep those people on board because without that you know sort of middle tranche of liberals and when i say liberals here i don't necessarily mean people with you know socially liberal viewpoints i mean everybody who still believes in the the right functioning of capitalism as an institutional framework under which the wrongs otherwise presented by society can be rectified you have to keep those people in the loving barn because when they get loose when they stop believing some of them may turn to the left enough of them perhaps to actually lend some loving credibility the left politics in this country and some of them may turn to the extreme right out of an extremity of personal grievance lacking any of the kind of historical structural economic framework that would make somebody understand this as a class issue instead of an issue of simple you know unfairness to oneself

and there's a whole middle section there the section you've been relying on to vote for you to keep your You know, but quote unquote, democratic elections, more or less legitimate by getting what you know, a third of the electorate out there every few years. They say, Well, this is enough people that it basically functions as a popular mandate, right? A lot of those people might just stop loving voting. And so the deep state the the citadels of real extreme capital accumulation and manipulation, the military industrial complex, the elements of government that are largely unelected, and which are largely concerned with the smooth functioning of a bureaucracy that continues to pay them and their class dividends. These people know, the libs have to be given a victory every once in a while, what's more, a series of victories. And as long as those victories don't actually imperil our power in any way at all, it's fine, everything will go back to normal. And in fact, we may be able to use those those artificial patchwork victories to get away with more than we've ever gotten away with so far. And it seems to me, dear listener, that this series of events from 70, or 71, up to 76, or seven, was essentially that it was, in agency terms, one long, limited Hangout, where you let people see a little bit of the evil poo poo. So they can convince themselves, they know the entire story. And even more importantly, than convincing themselves, they know the entire story, they can also convince themselves that their institutions have been sufficient to suss out the entire story. That's the real crucial part. It's not just the details that they may happen to uncover. It's the idea that government and institutions as they are meant to function are wholly capable of uncovering the truth about things, if we only let them if we are only deserving of our own great, beautiful history. If we just if we gently caress the flag in the right place, the flag will tell us the truth. And I think perhaps the earliest of these, these sort of fake rapprochement is the release of the Pentagon Papers, which I mean, you just saw the just a couple years ago, that I mean, I didn't see it, that horrible loving looking movie, the post, about, you know, it's ostensibly about the Washington Post deciding whether or not to release the Pentagon Papers. what it was, of course, actually, about what it was pointedly and obviously about, was the importance of Free Press. the sanctity of journalism in an era when the orange man in the White House is trying to prevent us from learning the truth. Well, what that movie is actually about, perfectly about, in a way, it's a beautiful satire is a bunch of dumb liberals getting conned into carrying out a CIA operation. And a bunch of those liberals probably working directly for the CIA, because what is so rarely mentioned, when we talk about the release of the Pentagon Papers, at all the American public sudden access to the the awesome and horrible truth about Vietnam, is that Daniel Ellsberg was a loving CIA agent. He did not at any point in this cease to be a loving CIA agent. All right. And Douglas Valentine, who's written a number of books about the deep state including a, an essential one called the CIA as organized crime. He has it directly from William Colby, one of the great evil spooks in the history of this country that Daniel Ellsberg was personally ordered to release the Pentagon Papers by the CIA, and particularly by William Colby. Now, what was the advantage of this have been? Well, when you hear about the Pentagon Papers, one thing you hear almost nothing about is the grand jury inquiry into the CIA's practices in Vietnam. That was happening right around the same time, particularly an inquiry into the Phoenix program. And anyone who's familiar with my show, I gather would be pretty familiar with the Phoenix program, what it was and what it said. But I just want to restate it. Because I think it's it's one of the most misunderstood and underreported episodes in modern American history. And because it lays the groundwork for so much of the evil we have committed sense.

The Phoenix program ostensively, on its face was an anti sabotage tour, anti double agent program, carried out by the CIA in Vietnam. That was its stated goal, to find people who were sabotaging the American war effort, or who were acting as double agents, you know, working on the CIA's payroll, or the military's payroll, and then going back and reporting to the Vietcong. That wasn't true at all, as a as a piece of military strategy, the Phoenix program was an enormous failure. But it wasn't actually there as a piece of military strategy. The Phoenix program, in fact, was installed for a number of other reasons. The first of these was to determine whether or not what we would now call an internet or a computer network could function in real time in the field. In the course of a war, ARPANET was being brought over to track Phoenix program targets in real time, up and down the Hoshi Minh trail in particular. And a huge part of the program's actual purpose was to determine the feasibility of using large scale computer networks, for the purposes of counter insurgency on that score, huge success. And when the program was, quote, unquote, over, they didn't just disband all of that. What they did was deputize officers of the Phoenix program into American police departments all over the country, bring them in as special consultants or advisors, and have them essentially install Phoenix program hardware and software in major cities, police departments, particularly Los Angeles, and Chicago. So they could be used to hunt and murder anyone we wanted in this country the same way we've been hunting and murdering anyone we wanted in Vietnam. Number two, it was an experiment in what you might call enforced self policing. That if you made it clear to a subjugated population in a time of war, that Americans would pay for you to kill your neighbors, your friends, your acquaintances, your own family,

Bootleg Trunks posted:

citations needed > behind the bastards

Bootleg Trunks posted:

citations needed > behind the bastards

gradenko_2000 posted:

JFK's comments on the missile gap was because the CIA was feeding everyone bad information about a missile gap in the first place.

i say swears online posted:

wikipedia > wookieepedia

i say swears online posted:

wikipedia > wookieepedia

i say swears online posted:

wikipedia > wookieepedia

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1175904345126330368

AnEdgelord posted:

Wookiepedia is better because it doesnt uncritically publish imperialist propaganda.

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol

wb

some plague rats posted:

That guy is just absolutely precious

GunFondler42069 posted:

my salary at iheartradio is $400,000 per year. the show is extremely successful and makes a lot on ad revenue. i'm fairly open about that because i think it's important, particularly for my colleagues when they negotiate for deals. i make very little at bellingcat. i was unemployed for much of 2017 and 2018. my initial salary at iheart was much lower, but then all my shows made a lot of money and i negotiated for a better deal.

i feel better about taking add money than begging people for money who may not have much to give. my last experience with crowdfunding, when i was broke, involved folks saying stuff like "i gave you ten bucks now and i'm broke until payday but I'll give you more then" and that made me feel terrible. chapo folks make six figures a month on patreon, and good for them. we all have to make choices, and capitalism doesn't offer us a lot of simple ones. i made the choice to go with ads.

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One of my all-time favorite jokes is from “The Time Machine Did It”: “I was sleeping like a baby—waking up every three hours screaming and crapping my pants.”

Years after “The Time Machine Did It” was published, I saw John McCain use a similar joke on a late-night talk show after his failed 2008 Presidential bid. I planned on using this intellectual-property theft to my advantage if he ever ran again. Anyway, I was glad he liked the joke.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Thanks!


That goon feels the need to defend robert at all costs, which is extremely lol when he posts stuff like this.

Yossarian-22 posted:

Anyone listen to The History of England and/or British History Podcast? Wondering which one is better

Atrocious Joe posted:

Charles heard about the CIA podcast money and now E1 will only be making fun of those terrible people in the Chinese Communist Party. That's the only topic, no more riffing on internet bullshit. It's time for E1 to finally start raking in the big money.

Mr Hootington posted:

https://twitter.com/intellegint/status/1388602852499628036?s=19

Toph Bei Fong posted:

What... even is that weapon he's holding on the right? Looks like one of those overbuilt video game guns cosplayers carry

Mr Hootington posted:

Atrocious Joe posted:

Charles heard about the CIA podcast money and now E1 will only be making fun of those terrible people in the Chinese Communist Party. That's the only topic, no more riffing on internet bullshit. It's time for E1 to finally start raking in the big money.